Geographical vs. Best

pondyplayer93 · Post by **pondyplayer93** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 7:32 am

Just wondering if people would rather see teams from all around the state

Or

The Best 8 teams for that year

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IrishStiff · Post by **IrishStiff** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 7:14 am

We need to keep the tourney like it is. I would like one class with 5 from the metro, one from central MN, one from Northern MN, and one from the south.

No matter what, the tourney is just that. Only sometimes will the best team win the tourney. Anything can happen on a given night and weekend.

North: East Grand to the Range and up.

Central: Duluth, Moorhead, Brainerd areas

Private: One representative

Metro: North, S, E, W

South: One representative

boblee · Post by **boblee** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 11:01 am

IrishStiff wrote: I would like one class with 5 from the metro, one from central MN, one from Northern MN, and one from the south.

And how in the world would we run a nine team state tournament?

The Milk Man · Post by **The Milk Man** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 11:02 am

Well sections were made to make this happen but now days the sections are so mixed up now anything can happen. I believe its best to see teams from all over the state compete in the tourney. I mean in the state of hockey so why would people just want to see all metro teams.

IrishStiff · Post by **IrishStiff** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 11:06 am

boblee wrote:
IrishStiff wrote: I would like one class with 5 from the metro, one from central MN, one from Northern MN, and one from the south.

And how in the world would we run a nine team state tournament?

If you look how I broke it down it would only be 8 teams. The privates would be one of the metro teams.

boblee · Post by **boblee** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 11:12 am

IrishStiff wrote:
boblee wrote:
IrishStiff wrote: I would like one class with 5 from the metro, one from central MN, one from Northern MN, and one from the south.

And how in the world would we run a nine team state tournament?
If you look how I broke it down it would only be 8 teams. The privates would be one of the metro teams.

Fair enough. You lost me down there. I still don't like it, but it adds up. My apologies.

IrishStiff · Post by **IrishStiff** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 4:18 pm

boblee wrote:
IrishStiff wrote:
boblee wrote: And how in the world would we run a nine team state tournament?
If you look how I broke it down it would only be 8 teams. The privates would be one of the metro teams.
Fair enough. You lost me down there. I still don't like it, but it adds up. My apologies.

How about this boblee?

2 from the North from East Grand to the Range up to the Northern border

1 Central including Moorhead, Brainerd, and St. Cloud

1 Private

3 Metro North, East, and West

1 South and include Burnsville, Lakeville and possibly Bloomington.

HShockeywatcher · Post by **HShockeywatcher** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 2:55 am

Wow, in a thread trying to put me down boblee was off by 1. In this he was off by 1. boblee needs to stop using numbers to put people down.

I think using the top teams would be best. Sure you'd lose the "regional play" but after a couple years that would pan out. The teams you don't see would get better. It would be much better for hockey in the long run.

We are the 'state of hockey' and yet we let teams play for the "real" championship when they wouldn't make it to play in some of the "JV" sections. It's funny how much people on this board talk out both sides of their mouth.

puckluck19 · Post by **puckluck19** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 1:37 pm

Who cares about teams from all over. The best teams should be in the tournament. Makes way better competition. If 7 out of the 8 are from the metro in a given year let them play. Dont water it down by forcing in another team from the south or wherever.

Goldy Gopher · Post by **Goldy Gopher** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 4:28 pm

HShockeywatcher wrote: The teams you don't see would get better.

How do you figure?

Hillhockey000 · Post by **Hillhockey000** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 7:40 pm

Could of been seven metro teams this year: Lakeville is more metro then southern and if Anoka could of beaten Cloquet...

Might of well make it the best teams.

pistol · Post by **pistol** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 8:07 pm

Either way you're still going to have to play Hill!

So stop all your whining!

BranchesMagnum · Post by **BranchesMagnum** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 10:12 am

Top 8 teams should play. Litch did not deserve to play in State after they had a pretty mediocre year. They got last in the wright county conference. If the point of state is to find the best team in the state, it is probably best to put the top 8 together. Crappy team in a crappy section shouldn't play at the X bottom line

O-townClown · Post by **O-townClown** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 1:45 pm

IrishStiff wrote:
How about this boblee?

2 from the North from East Grand to the Range up to the Northern border

1 Central including Moorhead, Brainerd, and St. Cloud

1 Private

3 Metro North, East, and West

1 South and include Burnsville, Lakeville and possibly Bloomington.

Gee, while you're at it why don't you whittle it down to just two Twin Cities public schools. How about one?

It would make more sense to have 7 teams from the Twin Cities and let the Outstate compete for the last spot.

Or maybe they should just leave it the way it is.

DmanDad1980 · Post by **DmanDad1980** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 2:04 pm

O-townClown wrote:
IrishStiff wrote:
How about this boblee?

2 from the North from East Grand to the Range up to the Northern border

1 Central including Moorhead, Brainerd, and St. Cloud

1 Private

3 Metro North, East, and West

1 South and include Burnsville, Lakeville and possibly Bloomington.
Gee, while you're at it why don't you whittle it down to just two Twin Cities public schools. How about one?

It would make more sense to have 7 teams from the Twin Cities and let the Outstate compete for the last spot.

Or maybe they should just leave it the way it is.

I think you may be right in both cases, Otown

If it stays as it is, which I am in favor of, we will see most years where 7 metro teams go to state. Section 1 & 7 could easily go to a Lakeville school and a North Metro school, respectively. This leaves us w/ Section 8 as the lone non-metro participant in many scenarios.

It would make sense to restructure Section 1 to resemble the way Region 1 was in my era. Place the Bloomington schools and Burnsville in Section 1 w/ the Lakeville & Rochester schools. The only problem is who do you remove to balance the Section numbers? Maybe Bloomington & Burnsville are too far north, and Apple Valley and Rosemount get placed in one?

Bensogud · Post by **Bensogud** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 4:16 pm

I agree with pistol and to those who have a problem with the private schools, i say: play better

grindiangrad-80 · Post by **grindiangrad-80** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 8:22 pm

Who would determine the 8 best teams every year?
Coaches? Media? Maybe the government could step in.

Who would have been the 8 best this year?
Leave it the way it is.
It's the best high school tournament in the country.

ozzie679 · Post by **ozzie679** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 9:50 pm

Bensogud wrote:I agree with pistol and to those who have a problem with the private schools, i say: play better

I have to agree. I am not a fan of private schools. But private schools have the right to sell their product to any star athlete that they want to. As their sports programs get better and better, privates are going to get more and more "blue-chippers" to enroll. I fear public schools have seen only the tip of the iceberg. You think the disparity is bad in MN? Try the East and West coasts. Privates dominate in every sport.

Hockeyguy_27 · Post by **Hockeyguy_27** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 10:14 pm

ozzie679 wrote:
Bensogud wrote:I agree with pistol and to those who have a problem with the private schools, i say: play better
I have to agree. I am not a fan of private schools. But private schools have the right to sell their product to any star athlete that they want to. As their sports programs get better and better, privates are going to get more and more "blue-chippers" to enroll. I fear public schools have seen only the tip of the iceberg. You think the disparity is bad in MN? Try the East and West coasts. Privates dominate in every sport.

I think it is fine the way it is but would like to see section 1 have some stronger teams.

packerboy · Post by **packerboy** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 10:52 am

Geography seems to play a role in the playoffs for all sports at every level of competition.

Sometimes the best teams are in the playoffs but often times not because of geography.

The NCAA openly admits that they dont have the best 64 teams in the basketball tournament but they dont care. How successful has that been?

Many times division winners in pro sports arent one of the best but make it in because of geography. Remember the old Central division of the NFL for years?

Geography is part of it and always will be.

OGEE OGELTHORPE · Post by **OGEE OGELTHORPE** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 12:54 pm

I didn't realize Rogers was so far north.

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