Actually, one of the biggest hacks is a girl from Minneapolis who happens to play for a Manitoba team.
It always good to know who the "hacks" are, so I checked the 2 Nations stats. There is only one girl listed from Minneapolis that plays on a Manitoba team. The stats say she has exactly 0 penalty minutes.
The leader in the league in penalty minutes is a girl listed from St. Paul, who also plays on a Manitoba team.
No matter which girl you mean, your post is offensive and not in keeping with the spirit of the forum.
hockeyrube7 wrote:Could that be do to the U.S. player don't know how to deal with physical play, and the Canadians always have so they are more suited for it?
For those who have seen these games, how physical were they?
In the league this year, from the games I have seen, I don't believe it has been any more physical than a top high school game (like an Eden Prairie vs. Edina) or a top U.S. U19 tournament game. Others may disagree, but my opinion is from watching this year's league play is that the Canadian teams play an aggressive, physical style but they are not "cheap" in any way. Hats off to them, because they are using their skills as hockey players to win games, as opposed to the rough style of play that may be underserved as far as their reputation is concerned.
For the U.S. players who are competing against them this can only help them adjust, because that's the way it is if they hope to move up to the college ranks. The higher the level, the more "physical" it gets, that's just the way it is. I also give credit to the refs' which have for the most part called the obvious infractions while letting the girls play competitive hockey. I've seen very little of the "homer" one-sided calls that everyone likes to complain about.
All in all I think the league has been a tremendous suceess and has benefited players from both the U.S. and Canada.
Actually, one of the biggest hacks is a girl from Minneapolis who happens to play for a Manitoba team.
It always good to know who the "hacks" are, so I checked the 2 Nations stats. There is only one girl listed from Minneapolis that plays on a Manitoba team. The stats say she has exactly 0 penalty minutes.
The leader in the league in penalty minutes is a girl listed from St. Paul, who also plays on a Manitoba team.
No matter which girl you mean, your post is offensive and not in keeping with the spirit of the forum.
From St. Paul you say…all I can say is well done Columbo, well done, un like me you really did your homework. Now do you have any insight on this alien sighting in Kalamazoo.
You are right my comments were not true to the spirit of this forum, and for that I apologies. However, the only ones truly offended were the players who took the slash to the back of the leg or the cross check to the back of the neck, or the elbow to the…..
Second of all, it is quite simple to go to the 2 Nations' web site and look up who are the penalty leaders. In Elite I, they are all US but one. In Elite II, the there is only one Manitoba player in the top 4. It is just one more click to look at rosters to see where the player is from.
Finally, not every player shares your perspective regarding the physical play in this league. My daughter had slash marks all over her back after one very physical game. She said that there was one player in particular that was "all over her". This player even went out of her way to hit her across her back with her stick as my daughter was skating to the bench. When I asked my daughter to comment on the game, her response was, "It was SO Fun! It was the 'funnest' game I played!" When I asked her about the player who had targeted her, she said, "I don't know. What's the point of going out of her way to hit me? It wasn't helping her. I mean, we're not 9 year olds. I guess I think she should grow up."
Second of all, it is quite simple to go to the 2 Nations' web site and look up who are the penalty leaders. In Elite I, they are all US but one. In Elite II, the there is only one Manitoba player in the top 4. It is just one more click to look at rosters to see where the player is from.
Finally, not every player shares your perspective regarding the physical play in this league. My daughter had slash marks all over her back after one very physical game. She said that there was one player in particular that was "all over her". This player even went out of her way to hit her across her back with her stick as my daughter was skating to the bench. When I asked my daughter to comment on the game, her response was, "It was SO Fun! It was the 'funnest' game I played!" When I asked her about the player who had targeted her, she said, "I don't know. What's the point of going out of her way to hit me? It wasn't helping her. I mean, we're not 9 year olds. I guess I think she should grow up."
For the most part I agree with you Thunderbird. I don't think HockeyHeaven should be calling anyone out on this website. I also think that like life dealing with people who don't play fair is part of the game. I just hope that referees and coaches have enough control of the game so that no one gets hurt. I hope that the player that struck your daughter acrossed the back as she was skating to the bench was thrown out of the game. Swinging a stick to harm someone or kicking with a skate can cause serious injury and there is no place for such antics in hockey. Any player that kicks another should be ejected due to the dangerousness of such action. Also, swinging a stick with intent to cause harm can be just as dangerous. Your daughter shrugged it off as she should have but the referees and coaches should do their job and stop such antics so no one is seriously hurt.
T-Birds, Great comments, and this was my point originally, and this is what I hear from most kids that play in these type of games.
OntheEdge, While agree with what you I shall about ref's/coaches controlling the situation, I have to also say it is hockey, and these things happen in a physical game. Agree totally on the kicking and stick swinging, but not sure if that is what HH is saying? Sounds like good lessons for our MN kids.
Hockeyheaven, Why so hostile? She is just a kid, and if I'm thinking of the right one, she is one of the best up and comers also, is she not?
Second of all, it is quite simple to go to the 2 Nations' web site and look up who are the penalty leaders. In Elite I, they are all US but one. In Elite II, the there is only one Manitoba player in the top 4. It is just one more click to look at rosters to see where the player is from.
Finally, not every player shares your perspective regarding the physical play in this league. My daughter had slash marks all over her back after one very physical game. She said that there was one player in particular that was "all over her". This player even went out of her way to hit her across her back with her stick as my daughter was skating to the bench. When I asked my daughter to comment on the game, her response was, "It was SO Fun! It was the 'funnest' game I played!" When I asked her about the player who had targeted her, she said, "I don't know. What's the point of going out of her way to hit me? It wasn't helping her. I mean, we're not 9 year olds. I guess I think she should grow up."
Easy Big Thunder, my perspective was simply that I didn’t feel the physicality was that out of line except for the play of the usual suspects. As far as an apology, I didn’t express anything more then what I witnessed or what I heard the players and coaches saying or what the other parents were saying. I’m sorry, I tend call them as I see them…and if not mistaken I do believe that if you looked up the definition in the hockey dictionary the word “hack” would read “someone accumulating 40 penalty minutes in 12 games while previously agreeing to a Code of Conduct” Anyway I merely referenced it as a means of illustrating that the majority of the Canadians and Minnesotans were handling the situation just fine, you’re the one who had to get all specific like and drew it out to be sensationalized. I would believe most viewers would have just glanced at it and went on their way
…Nah your right, I was wrong and I am truly sorry for my insensitive reference…please forgive me.
hockeyrube7 wrote:T-Birds, Great comments, and this was my point originally, and this is what I hear from most kids that play in these type of games.
OntheEdge, While agree with what you I shall about ref's/coaches controlling the situation, I have to also say it is hockey, and these things happen in a physical game. Agree totally on the kicking and stick swinging, but not sure if that is what HH is saying? Sounds like good lessons for our MN kids.
Hockeyheaven, Why so hostile? She is just a kid, and if I'm thinking of the right one, she is one of the best up and comers also, is she not?
No you’re absolutely right she’s is a fantastic player with great skill, fun to watch. I never meant to call her out…well maybe just a little. She does need to tone it down or someone will get hurt, but right now nothing would please me more then to just let this pass
If you are suggesting that the penalty leaders are playing differently because they are in a physical league...you need to watch them more closely throughout the year.
The league maybe more physical, but I think the intensity is just higher. This is a pretty good talent pool across the board (apologies to those of you that think only your kid is at a high level). The kids are all getting pushed to play at a very different intensity level. Some of them don't get pushed like this very often and it shows in how they react to situations.
The good news is that they are getting pushed. They need to learn that there are a lot of talented hockey players out there and this is what the competition is for their spots on the future teams they want to play on.
chickendance wrote:If you are suggesting that the penalty leaders are playing differently because they are in a physical league...you need to watch them more closely throughout the year.
The league maybe more physical, but I think the intensity is just higher. This is a pretty good talent pool across the board (apologies to those of you that think only your kid is at a high level). The kids are all getting pushed to play at a very different intensity level. Some of them don't get pushed like this very often and it shows in how they react to situations.
The good news is that they are getting pushed. They need to learn that there are a lot of talented hockey players out there and this is what the competition is for their spots on the future teams they want to play on.
The Saint Croix Saints won the Mint Cup and the Two Nations Female Hockey League at the Elite I level with a 3-2 win over the MN EXTREME (The EXTREME won the championship last year).
At Elite II CDN Pembina Valley Ice Cats beat the CDN Manitoba Saints 4-2 (open net final goal for Ice Cats)
Here was the Saint Croix Saints roster for the weekend. (NA means not active today).
# Pos. Last First Year
2 F Fischer Micehelle 1991 Cretin Derham Hall 2010
3 D Daleiden Judy 1990 Blaine 2009
4 D/F Pendleton Maggie 1992 Hill Murray 2010
6 D Duellman Allie 1992 Roseville 2010
7 F Charpentier Lauren 1991 Stillwater 2009
8 F Buie Corinne 1992 Edina 2010
9 F Cox Meagan 1992 New Rcihmond, WI 2011
10 F Jacobsen Alexa 1992 Woodbury 2010
11 D/F Williams Danielle 1992 Chaska 2010
12 F Henning Corinne 1992 Culver Academy, IN 2010
14 D/F Baumgartner Julie 1991 BSM 2009
15 F O'Brien Mary 1992 N. St. Paul 2010
16 F Lundberg Kari 1991 Thoroughbreds/Woodbury 2010
17 F Steinmetz Meg 1991 Blaine 2010
21 F Tuuri Lisa 1992 Stillwater 2010
22 F McDonald Gina 1991 Irondale 2010
31 G Lange Kayla 1991 Anoka 2009
31 G Billadeau Chloe 1992 Blake 2011
35 G MacRostie Rebecca 1990 Highland 2008
NA D Burns Katie 1992 N. St. Paul 2010
NA D Alleva Rosie 1992 Red Wing 2010
NA F King Kristi 1992 Stillwater 2010
NA F Anderson Stephanie 1992 N. St. Paul 2011
NA F Umland Alison 1991 Wayzata 2009
NA F Lundquist Sadie 1991 Cloquet 2009
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On the Elite 1 side, Walser beat a very good Lightning team 4-1 and they ended up in 4th place over all. I hear what your saying, but they did pretty well in my book, playing with maybe 10 kids all weekend. They played the Reeces Pieces to a 5-2 finish in the third place game.
Over the last couple of years Walser has had so many different groups of girls playing in such a wide variety of tournaments it makes it tough to generalize about Walser as a whole. They cast a wide net but basically it all seems to come down to who's available to play in each event. Traditionally they've had Walser Blue, Red and White and for this league they put together Walser Elite I and II. It does appear that their teams so far this year are not doing as well overall as they have in the past.
chickendance wrote:On the Elite 1 side, Walser beat a very good Lightning team 4-1 and they ended up in 4th place over all. I hear what your saying, but they did pretty well in my book, playing with maybe 10 kids all weekend. They played the Reeces Pieces to a 5-2 finish in the third place game.
Another item of note, many of the older girls (and key players) were missing from the Canadian teams this past weekend as it happened to conflict with provincial exams.
chickendance wrote:On the Elite 1 side, Walser beat a very good Lightning team 4-1 and they ended up in 4th place over all. I hear what your saying, but they did pretty well in my book, playing with maybe 10 kids all weekend. They played the Reeces Pieces to a 5-2 finish in the third place game.
Another item of note, many of the older girls (and key players) were missing from the Canadian teams this past weekend as it happened to conflict with provincial exams.
Many older and key players? Who do you think was missing?
chickendance wrote:On the Elite 1 side, Walser beat a very good Lightning team 4-1 and they ended up in 4th place over all. I hear what your saying, but they did pretty well in my book, playing with maybe 10 kids all weekend. They played the Reeces Pieces to a 5-2 finish in the third place game.
Another item of note, many of the older girls (and key players) were missing from the Canadian teams this past weekend as it happened to conflict with provincial exams.
Many older and key players? Who do you think was missing?
For the Manitoba Lightning most of the seniors were missing - the other Canadian teams were also missing seniors. This past weekend they skated 12-13 (depending on the game), of which only 6 skaters were on the original roster. They rest were last minute adds (some from Winnipeg, some from Northern MN and some from the metro) to put a team on the ice. I noticed that some of the subs got creative with their jerseys and athletic tape to modify names and numbers. Hopefully the scouts in attendance understood this via their scout books... otherwise they may have false impressions.
12 to 13...that is inconsistent with what I saw on the ice and what I heard from folks associated with the teams. I know the lightning were short 3. Reece's did not play any games until Friday, and that was so that they could have all there key players there. Anyway, it was a good weekend of hockey.
chickendance wrote:12 to 13...that is inconsistent with what I saw on the ice and what I heard from folks associated with the teams. I know the lightning were short 3. Reece's did not play any games until Friday, and that was so that they could have all there key players there. Anyway, it was a good weekend of hockey.
I would agree that the Manitoba Lightning were short 3 as their normal roster is 16. My point was that of those 16 only 6 were in town this past weekend and that for all intents and purposes Friday afternoon was the first time that those 6 and the 7 subs played together - not the same team that was on the ice for the previous weekends of the league. Dale Robinson, the Manitoba Lightning manager, told me Friday before the game that due to provincial exams only 6 players on their roster could make the trip. I guess he could have been pulling my leg? Dale went on to explain that they were able to line up 6 skaters and a goalie as subs for the weekend. Friday's game the Manitoba Lightning had 13 players, Saturday AM 12 players (#2 a sub from Woodbury had a soccer conflict) and then 13 again on Sunday AM as #2 was back in the line up. Given all that that they were able to put up a pretty good fight.
Congratulations to the St. Croix Saints and the MN Extreme on a great championship game!
Dale went on to explain that they were able to line up 6 skaters and a goalie as subs for the weekend. Friday's game the Manitoba Lightning had 13 players, Saturday AM 12 players (#2 a sub from Woodbury had a soccer conflict) and then 13 again on Sunday AM as #2 was back in the line up. Given all that that they were able to put up a pretty good fight.