The "Republicans are Coming" Factor

Can't Never Tried · Post by **Can't Never Tried** » Thu Jun 05, 2008 9:39 am

I heard this was his new hot spot hang out

sachishi4 · Post by **sachishi4** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 9:13 pm

Factor is going to plummet today

EREmpireStrikesBack · Post by **EREmpireStrikesBack** » Sun Jun 08, 2008 1:48 pm

sachishi4 wrote:Factor is going to plummet today

Nah, PB won't let that happen. I want to see how he spins this one...

packerboy · Post by **packerboy** » Mon Jun 09, 2008 9:39 am

Interesting.

Johan Who pitches well but his team loses. Livantan gets shelled and is team loses.

Neither of our heroes team gave him any support.

Interesting, Johan Who's result is a perfect example of why ole Cal Griffith may have been right. Who pitches his usual "Ace" type quality start and it makes no difference. His team cant score any runs.

So, the question becomes, would Johan have made a difference in the Sox game? If he would have been pitching , would the Twins have won that game? The Twins scored 2 runs. If Johan was pitching does he hold the Sox to one and does the bullpen hang on to win?

This is the kind of fair and balanced analysis that must be done and that The Factor has so committed to undertake.

The Factor is not convinced that Johan Who would have made a difference in Chicago on Saturday night.

Sure, its easy to say that Livantana has been bad lately and Johan Who has been soild but the would be nothing more than Spin.

The Factor is a No Spin Zone and must take a fair and balanced approach on a game by game basis.

The Twins are in slump, the relief pitching is bad and Johan wouldnt change that. No Spin, just fact.

The Factor must remain at 0. No other result would be fair and balanced.

Irishmans Shanty · Post by **Irishmans Shanty** » Mon Jun 09, 2008 9:55 am

Johan who?

We needy a Joe Crede.

Govs93 · Post by **Govs93** » Mon Jun 09, 2008 9:56 am

Good lord above... This is suddenly as balanced as a one legged man in a unicycle race.

The Spin... whoops... Factor... failed to take into account that Johan has a career 2.75 ERA in Chicago, and last year it was 0.64. He's generally owned the Sox over the years, so he definitely could be expected to hold the Twins in it.

Besides, Livan puts them down 7 runs in 4 innings... Even if they had put up 6 runs instead of 2, he alone buried them too deep to dig out of it.

Many times I've been with you here, but I think you're wrong on this one. The meter has to move into the red now.

Irishmans Shanty · Post by **Irishmans Shanty** » Mon Jun 09, 2008 10:13 am

Govs93 wrote: Johan has a career 2.75 ERA in Chicago, and last year it was 0.64. He's generally owned the Sox over the years, so he definitely could be expected to hold the Twins in it.

Hold on, the fate of the Challenger was sealed 2 years before it ever tried to leave Earth's atmosphere. There is at least one series to DET, CLE, and CWS per year where the Twins will get pounded regardless of who's chuckin'.

4/21/06 CWS 7, MIN 1 (LP Santana)
4/22/06 CWS 9, MIN 2 (LP Radke)
4/23/06 CWS 7, MIN 3 (LP Silva)

Govs93 · Post by **Govs93** » Mon Jun 09, 2008 10:26 am

Irishmans Shanty wrote:
Govs93 wrote: Johan has a career 2.75 ERA in Chicago, and last year it was 0.64. He's generally owned the Sox over the years, so he definitely could be expected to hold the Twins in it.
Hold on, the fate of the Challenger was sealed 2 years before it ever tried to leave Earth's atmosphere. There is at least one series to DET, CLE, and CWS per year where the Twins will get pounded regardless of who's chuckin'.

4/21/06 CWS 7, MIN 1 (LP Santana)
4/22/06 CWS 9, MIN 2 (LP Radke)
4/23/06 CWS 7, MIN 3 (LP Silva)

By that rationale, Livan could go 0-30 with a 15.00 ERA and the Factor would remain at 0 because a team could always score 16 against Johan. Sure, any team could jump up and bite Santana, Hernandez, or anybody, but if you're going presume the outcome of what would've been (which the Factor is doing), wouldn't you at least take into account the guy's performance history?

packerboy · Post by **packerboy** » Mon Jun 09, 2008 11:25 am

2.75 doesnt get it done when the team scores 2 , Govs.

Johan Who would have started , gone his 6 innings and given up 2 or 3 runs and they would have lost anyway like they did all last year.

Govs use of history to Spin the outcome must be rejected.

We must look at all the circumstances in a fair and balanced way otherwise we just move The Factor one back if Livantana doesnt pitch a gem vs The Sox. Not the way to do it.

If The Factor moves one to the negative then we are basically assuming Johan wins the game 2-1.

Interesting, he rarely did that even in his Cy Young years , which have passed.

But stay tuned to The Factor as other guests may want to enter the No Spin Zone to dicuss these issues and establish other Talking Points regarding the departure of Johan Who.

Govs93 · Post by **Govs93** » Mon Jun 09, 2008 11:27 am

packerboy wrote:2.75 doesnt get it done when the team scores 2 , Govs.

Johan Who would have started , gone his 6 innings and given up 2 or 3 runs and they would have lost anyway like they did all last year.

Govs use of history to Spin the outcome must be rejected.

We must look at all the circumstances in a fair and balanced way otherwise we just move The Factor one back if Livantana doesnt pitch a gem vs The Sox. Not the way to do it.

If The Factor moves one to the negative then we are basically assuming Johan wins the game 2-1.

Interesting, he rarely did that even in his Cy Young years , which have passed.

But stay tuned to The Factor as other guests may want to enter the No Spin Zone to dicuss these issues and establish other Talking Points regarding the departure of Johan Who.

Does 0.64 get it done? My hunch is that with the Factor, it does not - regardless of the team's offensive production... After all, the players are still union.

It's all a matter of opinion.

packerboy · Post by **packerboy** » Mon Jun 09, 2008 11:40 am

Johan Who gave up 2 runs in 6 innings vs the boofin Padres.

.64 isnt on the list of Talkng Points.

You cant assume he is going to pitch .64 vs the Sox when he can't go past 6 innings while giving up 2 runs vs the Padres. That would be nothing more than ................well, Spin.

If the Twins had scored a couple of more runs then we would take a closer look at Who's masterful performance vs the offensive machine that is the Padres and move The Factor.

EREmpireStrikesBack · Post by **EREmpireStrikesBack** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 9:37 pm

packerboy wrote:Johan Who gave up 2 runs in 6 innings vs the boofin Padres.

.64 isnt on the list of Talkng Points.

You cant assume he is going to pitch .64 vs the Sox when he can't go past 6 innings while giving up 2 runs vs the Padres. That would be nothing more than ................well, Spin.

If the Twins had scored a couple of more runs then we would take a closer look at Who's masterful performance vs the offensive machine that is the Padres and move The Factor.

And he hasn't been a money game pitcher? Or a stopper for that matter? He rises to the occasion and pitches best in the big games.

I wouldn't be surprised if O called up PB soon so he can put a Blyleven spin on some of his hot topics as he seems to think he is doing a good job spinning The Fluctor. Pretty soon you are going to spin it right into the ground.

EREmpireStrikesBack · Thu Jun 12, 2008 10:10 pm

Question for you PB:

Can you honestly say that the Twins team wouldn't play differently if they are behind 3-2 compared with 6-2? I think your reasoning regarding the functor needs to be rethought.

Neutron 14 · Post by **Neutron 14** » Thu Jun 12, 2008 10:37 pm

EREmpireStrikesBack wrote:Question for you PB:

Can you honestly say that the Twins team wouldn't play differently if they are behind 3-2 compared with 6-2? I think your reasoning regarding the functor needs to be rethought.

You might want to flip this too ER. How many times did Johan bear the burden of LESS than average run support? The Johan Factor of " We only need x runs to win" comes into play here too. As much as I hate to agree with PB on anything, "THE FACTOR" can't be denied. Its unbiased, its the facts, its the truth.

Long live "The Truth".

Govs93 · Post by **Govs93** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 8:03 am

Neutron 14 wrote:
EREmpireStrikesBack wrote:Question for you PB:

Can you honestly say that the Twins team wouldn't play differently if they are behind 3-2 compared with 6-2? I think your reasoning regarding the functor needs to be rethought.

You might want to flip this too ER. How many times did Johan bear the burden of LESS than average run support? The Johan Factor of " We only need x runs to win" comes into play here too. As much as I hate to agree with PB on anything, "THE FACTOR" can't be denied. Its unbiased, its the facts, its the truth.

Long live "The Truth".

UpNorthStars · Post by **UpNorthStars** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 8:23 am

So what happens to this factor when Livan gets cut?

Neutron 14 · Post by **Neutron 14** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 8:43 am

UpNorthStars wrote:So what happens to this factor when Livan gets cut?

“Come writers and critics
Who prophesize with your pen
And keep your eyes wide
The chance won’t come again
And don’t speak too soon
For the wheel’s still in spin…”

Bob Dylan...

Have no fear, "The Factor" will survive nicely.

Irishmans Shanty · Post by **Irishmans Shanty** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 10:21 am

UpNorthStars wrote:So what happens to this factor when Livan gets cut?

The Twins had their eyes on these three to play a big part of the rotation this year.

The Date is now June 13, here's what they're worth.

Baker 2
Liriano 0
Bonser 3
total 5

I don't see Livantana being cut anytime soon, the factor will be a factor all season.

packerboy · Post by **packerboy** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 10:55 am

Interesting, we are about 70 games into the season and this is the first clear cut move to the minus that The Factor has to make. Johan Who throws blanks and the soon to be released Livatana is shelled again.

In order to maintain a, oh shall we say, fair and balanced approach, The Factor must go to -1.

But this move to the minus causes us to bring in another feature to the thread that we will call: Reality Check.

We have already discussed many issues in the Talking Points segment but now must move into Reality.

Johan Who was great but the Mets didnt win either.

The Factor is at only minus one and we are only a couple of starts away from the half way point.

Certainly, we will continue to follow this until the end of the season but Realty Check looks at where we are at now in a fair and balanced way.

Reality Check further establishes The No Spin Zone in a world filled with nothing but spin.

The spin is that Johan Santana should be paid 100 millon dollars and tha he is worth that because thats what the market is and because he won some awards. In addition, the spin will tell you that The Twins are cheap and dont care about their fans nor the teams success because they wont pay these people "what they deserve". unions are primarly to blame for this ....and everything else wrong for that matter

Reality Check establishes that this is not the case in this incident which we have examined closely and in a fair and balanced way.

If Livan is released, oh please God the pitcher who takes his spot in the rotation will be, if you will, Factored in.

But hey, stay tuned to The Factor as we continue to bring to you the issues with No Spin.

packerboy · Post by **packerboy** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 11:06 am

EREmpireStrikesBack wrote:
And he hasn't been a money game pitcher? Or a stopper for that matter? He rises to the occasion and pitches best in the big games.

Spin. Nothing but Spin.

Reality Check: 1-4 with a 3.97 ERA in the postseason.

ER, I remind you again: The Factor is a No Spin Zone

Thank you for not spinning.

Govs93 · Post by **Govs93** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 11:16 am

Somebody want to Reality Check his typing? I'm not sure what's being said here.

I'm just happy to see that when hit over the head with anvil, The Factor will, on occasion, move. Unfortunately for Livan, I don't see any light at the end of the tunnel, and I fear that The Factor will continue to Countdown.

OGEE OGELTHORPE · Post by **OGEE OGELTHORPE** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 1:52 pm

Just for using the word "Countdown" on The Factor you Govs93 are a Pinhead, PB as always on The Factor is a true Patriot

packerboy · Post by **packerboy** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 3:23 pm

I see that OGEE has a keen insight into and familiarity with The Factor and obviously is a true Patriot.

Interesting, Patriots such as OGEE, Neut , and IS do not succumb to the virtual onslaught of spin that we are all subjected to when teams say "Adios" to the Santanas of the world and refuse to pay them "what they are worth"

The Pinheadsmourn the loss of these players and are convinced that they somehow magicaly transform teams into winners all by themselves.

Reality Check thus far has shown otherwise.

But we always have Pinheads and Patriots on The Factor and thats the beauty of a fair and balanced approach to things.

Govs93 · Post by **Govs93** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 4:11 pm

OGEE OGELTHORPE wrote:PB as always on The Factor is a true Patriot

Your knees must hurt.

Neutron 14 · Post by **Neutron 14** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 4:15 pm

Govs93 wrote:
OGEE OGELTHORPE wrote:PB as always on The Factor is a true Patriot
Your knees must hurt.

OGEE's Catholic?