Buffalo Bantam A coach resigns after theft charges

[ezpuck2]

Maybe this either stops or we continue with unsure information, HO'Famer
You seem to be right in the "know" out here. From friends on the board it is hard you'd have any information seeing your tack record of non-payment of icetime bills over the years. Being on the hs boosters makes me wonder why you did not pay for the dinners ordered there also. History proves you try to make others look worse than yourself and that is what blogging is all abot.

Spelling? A coherent thought or understandable sentence would be nice. Not trying to pick on you but read your post before you hit submit. Sounds like you might have some insight on this issue but this forum does require communication in words.

[Can't Never Tried]

I'll say this with the # of 1st time posters adding to this topic there must be some real fear of what happens with their kids if it were known they were talking.
My guess is these posters are not new, but feel the need to express their opinions on the situation.

Except HOF he's fearless !

[Silent But Deadly]

I'll say this with the # of 1st time posters adding to this topic there must be some real fear of what happens with their kids if it were known they were talking.
My guess is these posters are not new, but feel the need to express their opinions on the situation.

Except HOF he's fearless !

Hey...I'm fearless! It's just once you've been punished...you're much more careful!

[ezpuck2]

Not a new poster, wouldn't take my password or my email address to send it to me the password. I previously was ezpuck, now ezpuck2.
No fear here, I'm not a buffalo guy, just an interested by-stander frustrated trying to understand some of the posts.

[houndtwo]

OK, I will try to type slower as to spell more correctly. Just sticking up for someone who may have made a mistake, however we have that being checked on. I most cases things are somewhere in the middle. All have the right to be frustrated, angry, mad, and hurt but there are 2 sides here and let wait down the road and see the results and reasonings. My hope is both coach and byha can learn from this and become stronger. done posting it is hard to defend a friend on a blog

[Can't Never Tried]

OK, I will try to type slower as to spell more correctly. Just sticking up for someone who may have made a mistake, however we have that being checked on. I most cases things are somewhere in the middle. All have the right to be frustrated, angry, mad, and hurt but there are 2 sides here and let wait down the road and see the results and reasonings. My hope is both coach and byha can learn from this and become stronger. done posting it is hard to defend a friend on a blog

So your sticking up for that someone (Coach?) that made a mistake?
Yet it's been made known that this mistake has been made before in another association?

C'mon...... Casper the ghost was easier to see thru

[houndtwo]

yes you are right I am saying wait till it is over. and for the other association that may cause a liable suit which could already be in process. Anyone can put misinformation on blogs. very cowardly acts by some.

[Silent But Deadly]

yes you are right I am saying wait till it is over. and for the other association that may cause a liable suit which could already be in process. Anyone can put misinformation on blogs. very cowardly acts by some.

You need to work on your sentence structure and choice of words....having said that, are you suggesting that the Mound Youth Hockey Board is in trouble? Where have they made inappropriate comments?

I know most of the BYHA board members and can't believe for one second that they would go out in public with this unless there was truth to it. Your attempts to redirect the issue towards the problems all gambling operations are facing is humorous. The issues are separate unless you don't believe part of the Boards letter that states "On June 2, 2008 we came to the conclusion that Bob Jernberg (Bantam A coach and BYHA Hockey Operations Committee Vice President) was directly involved in taking money from the BYHA using various methods. We met with Mr. Jernberg and he admitted to the conduct we had uncovered. As a result, we asked for and received Mr. Jernberg's unconditional resignation from all BYHA activities and responsibilities."

Sorry, but if I'm innocent I don't agree to that!

BTW....I'm neither a current nor former BYHA boardmember.

[Can't Never Tried]

How is it cowardly to address an issue such as this?
It certianly isn't like theft or fraud!
The fact has been made known that large amouts of money are missing from BYHA, people that paid those monies have every right to be upset and voice their opinions.

The fact that many fear the payback of speaking out leads to a much greater problem.
Pandora's box is now open and those that ruled with the iron fist will now be on the other end of the power.
I hope all involved get the full serving they have coming.

[houndtwo]

last blog i promise! No, this was not punding on Mound but disagree and know alot of people there that do not know what or why that was said period! we'll all let the process work itself out and by the endyou will see results you are reaching for and everyone will be able to quit questioning and defending this that there is so much uncertainty to. good day

[Tony Soprano]

I have to agree with SBD, why would anyone admit to this activity if they were not involved. I would not doubt that there may be more involved, but we all will have to wait and hear the details when they are made public. This was also already on TV the other night, but they did not mention the coaches name. They did however take their camera to his house, but there was no answer at the door.

Anyone in any youth association can probably share a story or two of this same kind of activity. The only difference when it involves the kind of $ that may be involved with this situation, it is very sad to see. But there are many vices out there these days that can cloud an individuals judgement.

[Puckguy19]

Good advice all around on a very difficult topic. It certainly will not be an issue resolved on this board. I do not know what was done, why it was done, or what the amount in question is. I am sure that if any allegations are proved they will become public information. Until that time it is nothing more than rumor and innuendo.

I agree with the Board action to inform its membership of what is currently going on. In hindsight it may have best been done through a mailing or broadcast e-mail. I would not have named any parties, and let the investigation run its course.

If there are other issues, they too should be addressed, but through the proper channels. We may disagree on how programs should be run, but there are very few hockey people that I have met that are just about self-interest.

There is alot of time and effort that go into running a youth hockey program, and most of the people have their heart in the right place. I know many of the posters on this topic and while I don't always agree with them, I respect what they have done in our local association. (Yes, I have even seen SBD punished)

Please remember as you post - this thread is about a real person and an association of real people.

[Silent But Deadly]

Until that time it is nothing more than rumor and innuendo.

While I agree with much of what Puckguy19 said, I believe what the BYHA Board wrote, that in fact Mr. Jernberg "admitted to the conduct we had uncovered" is not rumor nor innuendo. Mr. Jernberg's "friend" (houndtwo) identified the issue (tournament funding and reimbursement).

Anyway, I'm smarter since my last post and I'm convinced that BYHA did not have safeguards in place to protect their money, however, to suggest that the actions by Mr. Jernberg were appropriate or normal is mistaken.

I'll leave others to decide whether they were illegal.

[HOFam'r]

Good advice all around on a very difficult topic. It certainly will not be an issue resolved on this board. I do not know what was done, why it was done, or what the amount in question is. I am sure that if any allegations are proved they will become public information. Until that time it is nothing more than rumor and innuendo.

I agree with the Board action to inform its membership of what is currently going on. In hindsight it may have best been done through a mailing or broadcast e-mail. I would not have named any parties, and let the investigation run its course.

If there are other issues, they too should be addressed, but through the proper channels. We may disagree on how programs should be run, but there are very few hockey people that I have met that are just about self-interest.

There is alot of time and effort that go into running a youth hockey program, and most of the people have their heart in the right place. I know many of the posters on this topic and while I don't always agree with them, I respect what they have done in our local association. (Yes, I have even seen SBD punished)

Please remember as you post - this thread is about a real person and an association of real people.

I assume PG19 is talking about my credit score with BYHA and HoundDawg sharing his Hofam'r billing mis-information:) I'll come clean I missed 2 payments in 11 years but still maintain a personal credit score in the 700's according to eqifax:)

PG19 your the attorney but tell if if I am off base. 1 of 2 things appear to be likely in resolving this issue.

1.) This was a mis-understanding and indeed there were those on the board intent on making this personal...it is proven and Bob J sues BYHA for liable and defamation or settles for a public apology from all board members and Fox 9 News.

2.) Criminal investigation produces wrong doing and whistle is blown on those involved in this scheme by the defendent. If this much money is missing it just doesn't make much sense that some others were not involved does it? Did one guy own the checkbook?

PG19-I think it is good everyone speaks their opinion regardless of being afraid or not. If Bob J didn't do it then this thread can help reveal the truth ...if he did then he deserves what he gets...I think there has been enough covered up and it's time for all to speak their mind, say what they know and let the truth find it's way out. Overall, and in this case we certainly will be talking about more than one person...just as HoundDawg shared his opinion of my bill paying skills...geez I am wondering about sueing HD for liable....do I have any case?

who the heck is SBD any way? Punished before huh?

[HOFam'r]

Maybe this either stops or we continue with unsure information, HO'Famer
You seem to be right in the "know" out here. From friends on the board it is hard you'd have any information seeing your tack record of non-payment of icetime bills over the years. Being on the hs boosters makes me wonder why you did not pay for the dinners ordered there also. History proves you try to make others look worse than yourself and that is what blogging is all abot.

whoops forgot to talk about the dinners....Not sure about the dinners...might have missed out on the fun...darn. I did however produce 20k in revenue for the club and spent dozens of hours of my time not to mention gas and money doing it. People talk...I would like for one of them to walk in my shoes one day...if i missed this season then take it out of my account and gas money it took me to drive these kids around when they were younger and all the meals I bought each and everyone of them.
As for you...you should be ashamed of yourself talking about me in that way:) Personally, I could less what you say but don't want my bored brothers thinking I am a deadbeat hockey parent. One last thing...your friends on the board are idiots...and so are you.

[Can't Never Tried]

I assume PG19 is talking about my credit score with BYHA and HoundDawg sharing his Hofam'r billing mis-information I'll come clean I missed 2 payments in 11 years but still maintain a personal credit score in the 700's according to eqifax:)

Getting a little personal there HOF no worries, I'm sure you can still get one of those car loans with less then excellent credit history!

[HOFam'r]

I assume PG19 is talking about my credit score with BYHA and HoundDawg sharing his Hofam'r billing mis-information I'll come clean I missed 2 payments in 11 years but still maintain a personal credit score in the 700's according to eqifax:)

Getting a little personal there HOF no worries, I'm sure you can still get one of those car loans with less then excellent credit history!

Yeah a guy pays a little more but it's well worth the aggravation you cause the bank:)

[Puckguy19]

Until that time it is nothing more than rumor and innuendo.

While I agree with much of what Puckguy19 said, I believe what the BYHA Board wrote, that in fact Mr. Jernberg "admitted to the conduct we had uncovered" is not rumor nor innuendo. Mr. Jernberg's "friend" (houndtwo) identified the issue (tournament funding and reimbursement).

Anyway, I'm smarter since my last post and I'm convinced that BYHA did not have safeguards in place to protect their money, however, to suggest that the actions by Mr. Jernberg were appropriate or normal is mistaken.

I'll leave others to decide whether they were illegal.

I'll agree with much of what Silent But Deadly has to say, I just hope that there was an admission. If there wasn't then the letter becomes a problem for the Association.

The actions outlined are not appropriate or normal, I just don't want to see reprecussions that aren't necessary, and any more risk taking. The kids deserve better.

[Puckguy19]

Good advice all around on a very difficult topic. It certainly will not be an issue resolved on this board. I do not know what was done, why it was done, or what the amount in question is. I am sure that if any allegations are proved they will become public information. Until that time it is nothing more than rumor and innuendo.

I agree with the Board action to inform its membership of what is currently going on. In hindsight it may have best been done through a mailing or broadcast e-mail. I would not have named any parties, and let the investigation run its course.

If there are other issues, they too should be addressed, but through the proper channels. We may disagree on how programs should be run, but there are very few hockey people that I have met that are just about self-interest.

There is alot of time and effort that go into running a youth hockey program, and most of the people have their heart in the right place. I know many of the posters on this topic and while I don't always agree with them, I respect what they have done in our local association. (Yes, I have even seen SBD punished)

Please remember as you post - this thread is about a real person and an association of real people.

I assume PG19 is talking about my credit score with BYHA and HoundDawg sharing his Hofam'r billing mis-information:) I'll come clean I missed 2 payments in 11 years but still maintain a personal credit score in the 700's according to eqifax:)

PG19 your the attorney but tell if if I am off base. 1 of 2 things appear to be likely in resolving this issue.

1.) This was a mis-understanding and indeed there were those on the board intent on making this personal...it is proven and Bob J sues BYHA for liable and defamation or settles for a public apology from all board members and Fox 9 News.

2.) Criminal investigation produces wrong doing and whistle is blown on those involved in this scheme by the defendent. If this much money is missing it just doesn't make much sense that some others were not involved does it? Did one guy own the checkbook?

PG19-I think it is good everyone speaks their opinion regardless of being afraid or not. If Bob J didn't do it then this thread can help reveal the truth ...if he did then he deserves what he gets...I think there has been enough covered up and it's time for all to speak their mind, say what they know and let the truth find it's way out. Overall, and in this case we certainly will be talking about more than one person...just as HoundDawg shared his opinion of my bill paying skills...geez I am wondering about sueing HD for liable....do I have any case?

who the heck is SBD any way? Punished before huh?

Based on your response . . . I think you have a great case. As an affluent patent holder, you have the two options figured out precisely. I would guess you are extremely skilled at the art of negotiation.

Where I have an issue, is your desire to blow it all up and start from scratch. In order to do that, you have to have other willing participants to pick up and lead. In any given organization there are two types of people - those who lead and those who talk about it. The easy role is talking about it, critiquing without offering solutions. If all that negative energy would be channeled to doing positive things for the program everyone would be better off. Even if leadership is changed, there is still going to be 80% belly-aching and complaining.

Volunteer work is a thankless job, until you look in the eyes of the kids. I would be careful in painting a wide swath with who is involved and what has been done.

SBD was short-hand for Silent But Deadly.

[puckeyone]

lets cut out all thel the lawyer BS, and cut to the chase , Did he take it and who was Involved, The Buffalo board is inept starting at the top to not to see this, they were aware they problems , Gaming, bad checks wrote, treasurers coming and going through an open door. They should throw all out that were on the board and put them in a closed room till they get answers, heck try waterboarding if that doesnt work. I believe there is more to this than just one for that amount $$$$, but if it was just one, shame on the Board ,,
How did this person come to Buffalo anyway, someone must have brought him there, maybe a great thank you should be given here also, did he come as invitaiton or was somebody promissing him something in $$$$$
Start at the top HS caoch that is supposably involved in the board to some degree, does he know anything, was there only one President in this time or more, we know there has been a revolving door in the tresures position what do these people know,,, lots of questions to ask .
Then what happened in Mound, they know and should speak up, dis this person coach anywhere els than these positions, any thing there if he did

Start digging , someone will spill the beans

[HOFam'r]

PG19..Isn't the bottom line or the point....finding out the truth? I am not attacking or judging anyone. I am sharing my opinion with those who care to read it. I think it would be interesting to hear the opinions of the others and think this forum is a great opportunity for them to post it.

This is an important issue and unlike the Gambling debacle last year members of BYHA need to understand the truth, talk about the ASSN and make sure when this season begans that members can feel good about writing those checks while gas is $5 a gallon. There IS more to this story on both ends (Defendent and Board) I strongly feel this and people including myself should be able to talk about it. Why the sensitive attitude? It appears to me that the that Board and HOC can talk about members, things like bills and attitudes are discussed all the time in a TOTALLY unprofessional manner...but I guess your suggesting that because I am not in leadership position I should be sensitive of their inept behavior and their feelings because they are volunteers...not buying it, sorry..... and will say that is exactly the attitude that got us into this mess in the first place...

Like everything there are board members interested in affecting change and there are board members interested in affecting change for their own kid. This particular Board has POSTER Children of the latter. I'll go even further and will suggest two solutions that would help fix the wagon of BYHA:

1.) Hire an Professional Accountanting Firm
2.) Bring in Outside Tryout evaluators

By proceding with these idea's any Hockey Assn can run fairly and economically keep everyones fingers out of the pot. I think alot of so-called volunteers interest would fizzle and they would dry up and blow away if they knew they couldn't affect change in status or $$$. BYHA spends 50k plus on development programs during the season I suggest taking some $$$ and hiring some D1 and D3 Hockey players to come evaluate your talent...every year the evaluators needs to turn over and the tryout coordinator needs to be an outsider as well. The attributes of spending $$$ for an accountant are obvious...the people against both these idea's are the same people that need to be watched....again my opinion...

The board needs someone to manage both...that's it...these are a couple solutions I have been preaching for years...sorry but it's as simple as that.

[houndtwo]

Little buzz around the park at buffalo days today. Seems some board members are a little concerned that they may have to answer to negligent ways things have been handled not just in this case but for some time now in may areas. Maybe HoFamer is right. Mn. Gaming could have an interest in their negligence again. Let's hope not.

[HOFam'r]

If I am reading this correctly and I think I am...it appears to me that this thing is evolving...Obviously, the defendent in this case has been around Buffalo hockey for five years and probably knows alot about alot of subjects..including last years gambling debacle. If my hunch is correct the whole gambling debacle was probably handled incorrectly and the defendent is telling them in his own way or through 'friends' on this board that he will whistle blow on whatever happened with gambling last year if things are not ironed out....Not sure there was anything done criminally but by the tone of Hound 2 i would think the possibility exists.

That's what I am reading into the .sentence frags Hound 2 is throwing at me...I just think there was a HUGE cover up last season...I think it's time the truth comes out on all accounts...this thing is going to shake out...all the way out...that is all BYHA can hope for