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[tomASS]

Some people hide behind computers and some speak the truth. If you're not hiding then send me a private message and we can talk.

[tomASS]

than why are you so intent on talking about HIS development constantly??

every post.

[DuckDuckQuackQuack]

[Can't Never Tried]

than why are you so intent on talking about HIS development constantly??

every post.

This seemed funny to me !

[DuckDuckQuackQuack]

than why are you so intent on talking about HIS development constantly??

every post.

ten ounce puck brought up some great topics and he did have the numbers in his post. but somehow instead of addressing what he brought up you were right back to your son.

USA hockey registrations: 06-07 - 457,038
Hockey Canada: 06-07 - 545,363

There is a lot of energy here, and a lot of people who care about hockey, so ten ounce is right, let's work toward solutions to the issues. With a little lively debate about what the goal of Minn Hockey is
it shouldn't be too hard to set up a lists of goals for association hockey. What would the perfect season look like from a kid's point of view? How does the state collectively get there. How do you take into account the elite mites

DMOM- You're right! Broken record. Sorry.

[misspacman]

Duckie, if your goal is to have your son a B player, why do you send him to Minnesota Made, all the clinics, the teams, and everything? To be a B/C player? All the "development" and the ice cost that is $8.30495684732643450796584 per hour surely can't be to make your son a B player, is it? How did your son analyze the development at Minnesota Made versus your association? Was he as frustrated as you by your association's lack of ability to determine how many teams there would be? Was he able to determine what the ice cost is this year for Minnesota Made and your association and compare? Since he made the decision 100% of where he will be playing this year, who is your son voting for in this year's election? Oh yeah, I forgot he is only 8 years old.

[misspacman]

Duckie said:

"At this age it's all about fun and development."



Duckie said:

"Personally I don't like telling grown adults where there kids should be playing sports."

then he said

"Lakeville parents send your kids to Minnesota Made to play in the Choice Mite League."



Then Quacker said:

"Let's see, $895 for 100 hours of Ice time. I guess I could say $9 per ice time if that makes you feel better. I know one thing for sure I'd rather be pay $9 per ice time to get better training versus $14 per hour to skate around cones and jump through hula hoops."

And then he said:

"I do admit I like what I see in our assocation this year. I have nothing against our association." Quacker also said "My son made the decision where to play 100%" (See the part about Quacker talking about what he would pay and then tell yourself again his son made the decision.).

[DMom]

Duckie said:

"At this age it's all about fun and development."



Duckie said:

"Personally I don't like telling grown adults where there kids should be playing sports."

then he said

"Lakeville parents send your kids to Minnesota Made to play in the Choice Mite League."



Then Quacker said:

"Let's see, $895 for 100 hours of Ice time. I guess I could say $9 per ice time if that makes you feel better. I know one thing for sure I'd rather be pay $9 per ice time to get better training versus $14 per hour to skate around cones and jump through hula hoops."

And then he said:

"I do admit I like what I see in our assocation this year. I have nothing against our association." Quacker also said "My son made the decision where to play 100%" (See the part about Quacker talking about what he would pay and then tell yourself again his son made the decision.).

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sideways wrote:
It can be difficult trying to make what you feel is the best choice for your kid. My experience says...take hockey out of the equation and try to figure out where he is going to be the happiest during the dawg days of April through October.
Also, its not only the dawg days for the kid. Which environment are you most comfortable as a parent?


Sideways- Good point! I would think the older the kids get the coaches will require them to make all the practices. My son is only a Mite. Our AAA coach has made it very clear the kids should play baseball. He asked that the kids attend all the practices the week before a tourney. Of course play in all the tourneys.
Since this is my sons first year playing AAA. I made sure to let him know that his summer schedule will be busy.

Good luck!

[10ouncepuck]

Duckie, if your goal is to have your son a B player, why do you send him to Minnesota Made, all the clinics, the teams, and everything? To be a B/C player? All the "development" and the ice cost that is $8.30495684732643450796584 per hour surely can't be to make your son a B player, is it? How did your son analyze the development at Minnesota Made versus your association? Was he as frustrated as you by your association's lack of ability to determine how many teams there would be? Was he able to determine what the ice cost is this year for Minnesota Made and your association and compare? Since he made the decision 100% of where he will be playing this year, who is your son voting for in this year's election? Oh yeah, I forgot he is only 8 years old.

Wow, 14 posts all directed at Duckie. Someone from Chaska is very,very bitter. "forgetaboutit"
What a waste of energy.
Quacker, have you ever heard of the word sabbatical???

[tomASS]

Wow, 14 posts all directed at Duckie. Someone from Chaska is very,very bitter. "forgetaboutit"
What a waste of energy.
Quacker, have you ever heard of the word sabbatical???

annoyed is probably a better term than bitter.

Sabbatical is a very familiar term in meaning and implementation for ChanMan, Boogeyman, & Slasher. DuckDuckGrayGoose may have to seek advice from his friends that I just mentioned

[O-townClown]

I have a question for the guy that keeps touting the $8.95 per hour cost for the Mite Choice program. Is one of the "Squirt-style full-ice games" counted as normal time? If you have three lines, isn't that just 20 minutes max in an hour? I just remembered what I like so much about the cross-ice Mites from a development standpoint...kids get to touch the puck so much.

Two teams with 15 skaters is 30 kids at $9 a pop. $270 is enough to cover ice rental and an official, so I guess I'm missing the bargain.

We've got it pretty good here. Some things are $15 for an hour and my kid is on the ice the whole time. $12.50 if you buy a punchcard (6th hour free).

[10ouncepuck]

We all know that Bernie didn't invent the wheel.

Hockey Canada Skills Acadamy:

A hockey academy is an institution that allows "YOUNG" hockey player to take part in a training program during school hours. In many European countries, hockey academies form the base of all hockey development. European hockey academies have been in operation for decades. It has long been known that to develop a talent, ability, or skill to its full potential 10,000 training hours are needed. This translates 3 hours of daily training for over 10 years.

Through cooperative ventures with the Canadian education system, this is now possible. The school system has the ability to create a timetable that will allow the students to participate in daily, semi-weekly or weekly hockey training sessions. A teacher, a coach, or a combination of both, can run the sessions. The school itself or an independent organization, such as a minor hockey association or a private group, can operate the hockey portion of the program. The training that takes place within a hockey academy is very much in line with the role of the school in other curriculum areas; enhance students’ opportunities to learn and excel academically and athletically.

http://www.sd22.bc.ca/hockey/

____________________________________________________________

At the 1999 Molson Open Ice Summit on player development in Canada, 11 recommendations were identified for the future of Canadian hockey. Recommendation # 10 stated.

"Promote cooperative efforts between school boards, local hockey associations and sponsors, to better utilize ice times and school facilities and move towards the development of sport schools."

Hockey Canada agrees that in order to maximize arena facility use during weekday hours, that implementing a sport school program for hockey, an operating mandate with national standards is required. Hockey Canada Skills AcademyTM program (HCSA) under the auspices of Hockey Canada through collaboration with its 13 member Branches is the step toward realizing this objective.

If you are a school, school board, or minor hockey association interested in starting a HCSA in your area or a current operator of a "sport school" concept program, then the following information will be of interest to you.

http://www.hockeycanada.ca/7/1/0/0/index1.shtml

[DuckDuckQuackQuack]

I have a question for the guy that keeps touting the $8.95 per hour cost for the Mite Choice program. Is one of the "Squirt-style full-ice games" counted as normal time? If you have three lines, isn't that just 20 minutes max in an hour? I just remembered what I like so much about the cross-ice Mites from a development standpoint...kids get to touch the puck so much.

Two teams with 15 skaters is 30 kids at $9 a pop. $270 is enough to cover ice rental and an official, so I guess I'm missing the bargain.

We've got it pretty good here. Some things are $15 for an hour and my kid is on the ice the whole time. $12.50 if you buy a punchcard (6th hour free).

OTown- Last year.

Minnesota made / $8.95 per hour for 100 hours of ice time.
Local Association / $13.33 per hour for 40 hours of ice time.

Who cares how much ice time the kids received when they played games. It sounds like you're worried about it?
I do know that every time Mites stepped on the ice they were on the ice for 1 hour - 20 minutes or 1 hour 30 minutes. The Mites played squirt style games.
Keep in mind I chose Minnesota made just like 11 other families from my association. Last year and previous years our local association didn't offer Advanced mites or allow kids to move up. Please don't look into it any further. 11 families had to do what we had to do for development.

One thing I find interesting. Last year many people were against Minnesota made. Yet this year many local associations are making changes to their Mite programs to basically copy Minnesota made. I personally applaud the changes. Its good that others agree.

[DuckDuckQuackQuack]

Wow, 14 posts all directed at Duckie. Someone from Chaska is very,very bitter. "forgetaboutit"
What a waste of energy.
Quacker, have you ever heard of the word sabbatical???

annoyed is probably a better term than bitter.

Sabbatical is a very familiar term in meaning and implementation for ChanMan, Boogeyman, & Slasher. DuckDuckGrayGoose may have to seek advice from his friends that I just mentioned

tomASS-
Once again. I don't know you. You've never met me. Can I ask that you move on? You seem to chime in all the time. Why? I realize that this is a chat room. Why the extra negativity towards me?

Your kids are all older now yet you feel the need to share your words of wisdom in the youth section on topics about 97, 98, and 99 birth years? You know nothing about Minnesota made yet you rip away. I'm not here to argue who knows more about youth hockey. We all have our different views.
Like I said let people in my association rip away on me. If having my son playing hockey at Minnesota made is a big deal. Oh Well! Get over it. This does not directly effect you one bit. Another thing to keep in mind. If these people from my local association have any issues with me then have them call me. I promise they'll hide behind their computers.

[tomASS]

I don't know you

but then .......

Your kids are all older now

You know nothing about Minnesota made yet you rip away

show me where in the last 6 months I specifically rip MM or Bernie.

If having my son playing hockey at Minnesota made is a big deal.

This has never ever been at issue with me. Never Ever.

I promise they'll hide behind their computers

yep just like they did when you needed them most.

[east hockey]

The both of you need to knock this crap off. We've been here before. Remember what happened last time? Next time it's permanent. Go pee in someone else's sandbox.

And the first one who tries to argue their point with me, is the first one gone.

Lee

[My_Kid_Loves_Hockey]

Thank You Lee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[O-townClown]

OTown- Last year.

Minnesota made / $8.95 per hour for 100 hours of ice time.
Local Association / $13.33 per hour for 40 hours of ice time.

Who cares how much ice time the kids received when they played games. It sounds like you're worried about it?
I do know that every time Mites stepped on the ice they were on the ice for 1 hour - 20 minutes or 1 hour 30 minutes. The Mites played squirt style games.

So a season at Minnesota Made is $895 and a season in your community is $533. Like I've said, I'm sure my son would want to do Mite Choice if he could make it. LOL I just wouldn't break down the cost per hour so I'm baffled as to why you do.

And how am I worried about anything? When you ask who cares how much ice time kids get when they play a game you display an amazing ignorance. FYI, the answer is everyone. Or maybe everyone but you. (True story - tonight I played golf with a guy from my adult league and he told me if we ever have 11 or 12 skaters he should still be one of the guys that gets to go every other.)

I'm just curious. My son's mini Mites this year saw him on the ice for the whole hour. When he played full-ice Mite games he played every other. Next year he'll be a 6-year-old playing Mites and from there he'll be playing every other shift all the way through Squirts. (All of this assumes he keeps playing.) He'll get as much icetime in 10 games as a Minnesotan will in 15.

[DuckDuckQuackQuack]

OTown- Last year.

Minnesota made / $8.95 per hour for 100 hours of ice time.
Local Association / $13.33 per hour for 40 hours of ice time.

Who cares how much ice time the kids received when they played games. It sounds like you're worried about it?
I do know that every time Mites stepped on the ice they were on the ice for 1 hour - 20 minutes or 1 hour 30 minutes. The Mites played squirt style games.

So a season at Minnesota Made is $895 and a season in your community is $533. Like I've said, I'm sure my son would want to do Mite Choice if he could make it. LOL I just wouldn't break down the cost per hour so I'm baffled as to why you do.

And how am I worried about anything? When you ask who cares how much ice time kids get when they play a game you display an amazing ignorance. FYI, the answer is everyone. Or maybe everyone but you. (True story - tonight I played golf with a guy from my adult league and he told me if we ever have 11 or 12 skaters he should still be one of the guys that gets to go every other.)

I'm just curious. My son's mini Mites this year saw him on the ice for the whole hour. When he played full-ice Mite games he played every other. Next year he'll be a 6-year-old playing Mites and from there he'll be playing every other shift all the way through Squirts. (All of this assumes he keeps playing.) He'll get as much icetime in 10 games as a Minnesotan will in 15.

O-town, I wanted to get my son more development. I chose Minnesota made because the kids receive more ice time. We all know more ice time = more development. One thing that most parents look at is cost per ice time. Per ice time it worked out that Minnesota made was cheaper. I guess playing time in the games was not an issue with me. I think they had three lines. In games my son played defense. So it worked out well for him. He did receive a little more ice time than some others.

Keep in mind that most will do association hockey skate outside, Open skating, and/or clinics. In the end most kids receive the same amount of ice time. On top of MM my son would skate outside and open skating because he asked to do so. We didn't have to pay extra money for clinics.

All kids skill sets are different. They all peak at different times and learn the game at a different pace. I think we all can agree.

The kids started skating at Minnesota made October 1st and skated until the end of March. The schedule was awesome. We knew we'd be playing games Saturday morning and practice every Sunday. For our weekday schedule it would rotate. One week Tuesday, the next week Wednesday, the next Thursday, the next week Friday. Then it all started over again at Tuesday. Every one liked the 1 hour 20 minute or 1 hour 30 minute ice times. Everything was very convenient. It was a good fit for our family.

Good luck!

[iwearmysunglassesatnight]

"I think they had three lines. In games my son played defense. So it worked out well for him. He did receive a little more ice time than some others." duckduck


Was it common for mites to have set positions in the league games? Or has he already decided to be a defenseman? Would he have been allowed to play forward in a game, if he asked for the opportunity?

[Gotothenetman]

[quote="DuckDuckQuackQuack"][quote="O-townClown"]I

Minnesota made / $8.95 per hour for 100 hours of ice time.
Local Association / $13.33 per hour for 40 hours of ice time.

Quack,

I am not really worried about the math and better value. I would be worried about 6,7,8,9 year old kids having 100 hours of ice so young. You should check into how mauch ice the euro's get when they are that age. They do not play more than 1 game a week in Sweden until they are 13.

Last time I check the Euro's are taking over the NHL, Own the Olympics, and get there players to a higher level.

The USA kids peak much sooner, burn out quicker and never get to the same skill level.

100 hours for a mite.................. They will be sick of the rink by Bantams.

This is the part you do not understand. I ran that by a friend of mine who coaches in the WCHA and he could not believe that there where parents out there having there kids skate 100 hours. I would guess these same parents have thenm skate close of 100 hours the rest of the year to. This would the total close to 200 hours in a 12 month period.

Can you say Burned Out by 14.

[DuckDuckQuackQuack]

[quote="Gotothenetman"][quote="DuckDuckQuackQuack"][quote="O-townClown"]I

Minnesota made / $8.95 per hour for 100 hours of ice time.
Local Association / $13.33 per hour for 40 hours of ice time.

Quack,

I am not really worried about the math and better value. I would be worried about 6,7,8,9 year old kids having 100 hours of ice so young. You should check into how mauch ice the euro's get when they are that age. They do not play more than 1 game a week in Sweden until they are 13.

Last time I check the Euro's are taking over the NHL, Own the Olympics, and get there players to a higher level.

The USA kids peak much sooner, burn out quicker and never get to the same skill level.

100 hours for a mite.................. They will be sick of the rink by Bantams.

This is the part you do not understand. I ran that by a friend of mine who coaches in the WCHA and he could not believe that there where parents out there having there kids skate 100 hours. I would guess these same parents have thenm skate close of 100 hours the rest of the year to. This would the total close to 200 hours in a 12 month period.

Can you say Burned Out by 14.

Gotothenet, I suppose kids from both MM and association hockey will be burned out. Like I've said many times I see kids playing association hockey getting way more ice time that my son. Lets not forget outdoor hockey, clinics and open skating.

I know at least two WCHA coaches who's young kids play tons of hockey. One's a 2000 and the other is a 1998 birth year. This doesn't make it right but as D-1 coaches you would think they are in the know.

I respect what you're saying but this goes back to the parents making sure the fun factor is there. Even skating 100 hours last year my son wanted to always play outdoor hockey too. In fact they'd get a group from MM together and play.

[Doglover]

Quacker - you are still not listening to anyone. You still think you have the magic formula. You are being advised by people that have lots of history with this game, that at the pace you are at, you son will burn out by Bantams. Even kids who don't have to skate that much, that young, burn out. Also, there is a huge difference between structured 100 hours and unstructured, rink rat hockey (which really is fun).

I say give it up guys. He never listens to anyone. I haven't seen where he (or any of his mulitiple personalities) has taken even one piece of advise.

We really don't care where Junior plays hockey. We just care that others reading this may think you know what you are talking about, and think their kid will fall behind if he doesn't skate 100 hours + (and give me a break, of course you did clinics too).

[mnhcp]

Nobody has the magic formula.

I had someone say I'm going to burn my kid out too. The fact of the matter is it's always on my mind and it worries me (sometimes).

No one has the answer as every kid is different and every kids on ice experience will be different.

Parents normally (NORMALLY) know what's best for their kids.

[yellowjacket]

Thanks Lee.