Rank the SEC coaches????
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Gotothenetman
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Rank the SEC coaches????
I love all the spirited conversation about the SEC. I do not get a chance to watch those teams much. I would be curious how you people out there that know the SEC would rank the coaches, and who are they? I know Housley is in Stillwater.
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slapstkhound
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Re: Rank the SEC coaches????
Housley is a spoiled, former pro who is used to getting his way. In my opinion, Wes Bolin, in Woodbury is the single best coach int Minnesota. The rest are all runner ups.Gotothenetman wrote:I love all the spirited conversation about the SEC. I do not get a chance to watch those teams much. I would be curious how you people out there that know the SEC would rank the coaches, and who are they? I know Housley is in Stillwater.
Re: Rank the SEC coaches????
Hopefully Wes reads this so you have a shot at varsity this season.slapstkhound wrote:In my opinion, Wes Bolin, in Woodbury is the single best coach int Minnesota. The rest are all runner ups.
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Pucknutz69
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So what are you baseing your rankings on?
Wins vs Loses?
Getting the most out of the least?
College bound players?
Or the other things that matter such as,
Making sure kids take education seriously.
No Drugs or Drinking.
Giving back.
Trying to help players improve.
Here is what I think, just my opinion from what I have seen and what I hear. I guess the only way you could really rank these are if you played for them all.
#1 - Wes Bolin, Woodbury - has done well. Woodbury has finally gotten big enough to over come losing kids to Hill that hurt them in the past. Bill Moore was a good coach also.
#2 - Jim O'Neil, CDH - gets the most out of his private school boys at a school that puts Football and Baseball before hockey.
#3 - Russ Welch, Hastings - Can't deny the trips to State, dealing with the first big exodise to private schools Hastings has had to deal with. Low numbers and weak talent will be rough on Russ again.
#4 - Phil Housley, Stillwater - hasn't had the results everyone else expects but is headed in the right direction, will be better this season. Cares about his players.
#5 - Aaron Forsythe, Forest Lake - Players coach, nice rookie season, will have FLake knocking on some doors. Brings D1 experience home. Will be tough this year.
#6 - Jay Moser, Park - D1 experience working the kids hard and cares about the program. Something that Park hasn't had for awhile. Will get tougher for him before it gets easier.
#7 - Jeff Pauletti, Roseville - Always competitive, demanding on his players. Coaches at a hockey rich community, how long will average do?
#8 - Brad Schwartzbauer, Mounds View - Not enough talent for him to work with. Hopefully sticks with them long enough to clean the mess of private school exits.
#9 - Tim Sager, White Bear Lake - Has by far the most talent coming in every year. This current group of seniors won as Peewees and as Bantams at the State tournaments. The Seniors this year could get the monkey off Sager' back (as well as some of the parents) Future still looks bright as WBL has had continued success at the Bantam and Peewee levels.
Like I stated just my thoughts, don't care if you like them or not.
Wins vs Loses?
Getting the most out of the least?
College bound players?
Or the other things that matter such as,
Making sure kids take education seriously.
No Drugs or Drinking.
Giving back.
Trying to help players improve.
Here is what I think, just my opinion from what I have seen and what I hear. I guess the only way you could really rank these are if you played for them all.
#1 - Wes Bolin, Woodbury - has done well. Woodbury has finally gotten big enough to over come losing kids to Hill that hurt them in the past. Bill Moore was a good coach also.
#2 - Jim O'Neil, CDH - gets the most out of his private school boys at a school that puts Football and Baseball before hockey.
#3 - Russ Welch, Hastings - Can't deny the trips to State, dealing with the first big exodise to private schools Hastings has had to deal with. Low numbers and weak talent will be rough on Russ again.
#4 - Phil Housley, Stillwater - hasn't had the results everyone else expects but is headed in the right direction, will be better this season. Cares about his players.
#5 - Aaron Forsythe, Forest Lake - Players coach, nice rookie season, will have FLake knocking on some doors. Brings D1 experience home. Will be tough this year.
#6 - Jay Moser, Park - D1 experience working the kids hard and cares about the program. Something that Park hasn't had for awhile. Will get tougher for him before it gets easier.
#7 - Jeff Pauletti, Roseville - Always competitive, demanding on his players. Coaches at a hockey rich community, how long will average do?
#8 - Brad Schwartzbauer, Mounds View - Not enough talent for him to work with. Hopefully sticks with them long enough to clean the mess of private school exits.
#9 - Tim Sager, White Bear Lake - Has by far the most talent coming in every year. This current group of seniors won as Peewees and as Bantams at the State tournaments. The Seniors this year could get the monkey off Sager' back (as well as some of the parents) Future still looks bright as WBL has had continued success at the Bantam and Peewee levels.
Like I stated just my thoughts, don't care if you like them or not.
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hockey junkie
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Russ welch got to all the state tournys in a rotten section. How can you say he has done anything. He has never taken a sub par team anywhere. Sager also has done nothing. He has more talent come through there than anywhere in the state. He should get there alot. Even with the tough section. Jim O'neils days are numbered, the private schools will take a huge hit with the new rules. Wes Bolin will dominate this conference for the next couple of years, because kids will stay. Just my opinion.
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Royaltreatment
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Wes Bolin by far. "69" your one of the reason's this board gets no respect. Russ Welsh 3rd? come on! Junkie said it right. He was fortunate to be in Sec 4 all the years he went to State. I think he had to get through Humbolt-St.Agnes and St. Paul Monroe WOW! impressive.. Since the late 90's he's compiled one of the worst records in the metro. Probably the longest losing streak of any large school in the metro in many year's 21 straight i think. If you knew anything about sport's you'd know that doesn't happen to good coaches. I can see your either related too this guy or your one of these guys that thinks because someone played the game that automatically gives them a free pass to the coaching hall of fame, as evidenced by your Welsh and Housley picks(both stink). If you love this guy so much You need to do the hockey fans down in Hastings a big favor and offer him a job so the embarrasment can stop. From what i've heard he'll be lucky if he wins 3 games this year.
Any chance Sager will be on the hot seat if they fail to supplant H-M this year in section 4? I like Sager personally, have met him a few times and he acted with class even though my son and I were wearing H-M gear, so I am not one calling for his head. Obviously White Bear had some idiots on the team this year that hurt the team overall. It will be interesting to see if they pull it together this year and upset Hill in the sections. The section final last year was closer than any game played in the tournament for Hill even though WBL did not have the talent level of Roseau or Edina.
I will say I'm very impressed to see Bolin finally getting Woodbury to the tournament. Talk about a town that has the money and the number to field really strong teams. Given that they are in such a weak section, they may start being regulars at the tournament...
I will say I'm very impressed to see Bolin finally getting Woodbury to the tournament. Talk about a town that has the money and the number to field really strong teams. Given that they are in such a weak section, they may start being regulars at the tournament...
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Pucknutz69
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How can you say any Metro Section is weak? Hill and ST Thomas play in the weakest conference yet they both win at State? Roseau won thier section by a combined score of 27-1 that sounds really tough.
Wes Bolin will be tested in the future when the schools split. It won't effect Woodbury the first 2-3 years as the kids that will leave are in the peewee age group and younger.
It doesn't sound like Sager will lose any kids this year to Jrs so things could be different at Section time.
Wes Bolin will be tested in the future when the schools split. It won't effect Woodbury the first 2-3 years as the kids that will leave are in the peewee age group and younger.
It doesn't sound like Sager will lose any kids this year to Jrs so things could be different at Section time.
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SYRUS THE VIRUS
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I beg too differ with you Pea-Nutz. The Classic Suburban from top to bottem was better last year than the SEC for sure, and will be again this year. Park-Haystinks-MV-FL- Stillwater all have lousy programs, and coaching. And they have for years. Not much direction from any of these coaches..
I think what your going to see is a resurgance from communities like SSP
Tartan and Mahtomedi. Hill and St Thomas will always be strong Giving the Classic an advantage for years to come.. How in the world can you rank Russ Welsh ahead of even J.Pauletti or Sager. At least those programs are competitive every year. Welsh has that Hastings program so messed up right now i'm not sure he isn't one of High School Hockeys all time worst coaches (especially since late 90's) if you factor in how long he's been around.. How can you explain losing something like 25 straight and ranking him 3rd???
I think what your going to see is a resurgance from communities like SSP
Tartan and Mahtomedi. Hill and St Thomas will always be strong Giving the Classic an advantage for years to come.. How in the world can you rank Russ Welsh ahead of even J.Pauletti or Sager. At least those programs are competitive every year. Welsh has that Hastings program so messed up right now i'm not sure he isn't one of High School Hockeys all time worst coaches (especially since late 90's) if you factor in how long he's been around.. How can you explain losing something like 25 straight and ranking him 3rd???
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Pucknutz69
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Sirus, last time I checked the coaches don't play, in the end it comes down to the Talent you have. If you have very little or no talent then more then likely you aren't going to be very successful no matter who's coaching. I was ranking the coaches not the kids that play for them. And every year each coach gets a slightly different group to work with.
Tartan and Mathomedi are all you got to say the Classic is stronger then SEC? Come on. You are saying that Simley, Henry Sibley , Richfield and NSP are better?
I see Tartan and Stillwater play this year I guess we will see if that terrible Stillwater team can handle that Tartan powerhouse.
You say all those teams have terrible coaches (and have for years) yet 2 of the programs had 1st year coaches last season. Nice observation Sirus now climb back in your hole.
Tartan and Mathomedi are all you got to say the Classic is stronger then SEC? Come on. You are saying that Simley, Henry Sibley , Richfield and NSP are better?
I see Tartan and Stillwater play this year I guess we will see if that terrible Stillwater team can handle that Tartan powerhouse.
You say all those teams have terrible coaches (and have for years) yet 2 of the programs had 1st year coaches last season. Nice observation Sirus now climb back in your hole.
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SYRUS THE VIRUS
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Nutz- I'm just disagreeing with you. You claim the Classic Suburban is the weakest confrence. I say. Top to bottem it's better than the SEC. And certainley much better than alot of the other confrences in the State.. Hill and St Thomas have been much stronger and will continue to be much stronger than anyone in the SEC. And yes in my opinion Simley-Sibley-NSP-and Richfield are every bit as good or better than Hastings-MV-and Forest Lake. That leaves Mahtomedi SSP and Tartan to make it obvious which conference is better.. What's your point??
As far as the coaching goes i'm not really too sure you understand sport's so i'm probably wasting my time, but i'll give you the benefit of the doubt as you seem to spend alot of time on this board so at least your TRYING to learn..
Let's take Mr. Welsh down in Hastings for example. I just question how you can rank him 3rd when he's had several losing season's in a row AND had lost like 20 something in a row over a 2 year span? Good coaches don't lose 20 something in a row.. I don't care how bad the talent is. Good coaches find ways to get the best out of what they have. At some point you need to quit blaming the kids. Doesn't it seem a little obvious to you that these kids that are playing for him aren't learning anything?? Teacher's are held accountable. Why are coaches any different?? They are there to teach, correct?? Where are the A.D's in all of this?? Why have an A.D job if you don't have the P-Nutz to fire the coach??
P-Nutz, You seem to be one of these guys that jumps on someone's bandwagon just becuse of there name or because maybe they played pro or college hockey at one time. My advise to you would be to call Mr Welsh and see if he needs a waterboy or towel boy for the upcoming season. That way you can witness first hand what a legend he really is..
As far as the coaching goes i'm not really too sure you understand sport's so i'm probably wasting my time, but i'll give you the benefit of the doubt as you seem to spend alot of time on this board so at least your TRYING to learn..
Let's take Mr. Welsh down in Hastings for example. I just question how you can rank him 3rd when he's had several losing season's in a row AND had lost like 20 something in a row over a 2 year span? Good coaches don't lose 20 something in a row.. I don't care how bad the talent is. Good coaches find ways to get the best out of what they have. At some point you need to quit blaming the kids. Doesn't it seem a little obvious to you that these kids that are playing for him aren't learning anything?? Teacher's are held accountable. Why are coaches any different?? They are there to teach, correct?? Where are the A.D's in all of this?? Why have an A.D job if you don't have the P-Nutz to fire the coach??
P-Nutz, You seem to be one of these guys that jumps on someone's bandwagon just becuse of there name or because maybe they played pro or college hockey at one time. My advise to you would be to call Mr Welsh and see if he needs a waterboy or towel boy for the upcoming season. That way you can witness first hand what a legend he really is..
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Pucknutz69
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No I don't think that. Some of the guys that played beyond HS can't relate to kids nor do they know how to teach the game. They were gifted athletes and sports came easy for them, so it's harder for them to break it down for a kid that isn't getting it. So I am not basing my opinion on that. I base it on what some of the kids I know say about the particular coach. And for the most part they think he is a good coach, the parents of a certian group don't like him cause he didn't kiss their rears.
As for the Classic vs SEC. You seem to think you are involved with hockey so why don't you set it up. This would be my matchups and results looks like SEC 8-1.
Hill vs WBL = great game give it to Hill this year but don't see much more for Hill the next couple of years.
Woodbury vs STA = Give this to Woodbury as STA has lost to much from the Tourney run teams
Tartan - CDH = Sorry CDH by way year in year out.
Mathomedi vs Stillwater = putting this one in as no way the Ponies lose bragging rights for the best team in the Arena again, it took a shoot out and reffing for Mathomedi to get that xmas present last year.
Roseville - NSP = Rosevile just continues it's District 2 dominance over an underpowered NSP, NSP has a nice group of 1st year bantams but will they all be polars in the future?
F Lake - SSP = come on not even close F Lake is a dark hose for me this year to ruin someones season, Losing Faulk really hurts Packers
Mounds View - Richfield = MV
Park - Henry Sibley = Park
Hastings - Simley = Hastings due to strong goaltending
I spend a lot of time on this board cause there is guys like you on here. Clueless and Classless.
As for the Classic vs SEC. You seem to think you are involved with hockey so why don't you set it up. This would be my matchups and results looks like SEC 8-1.
Hill vs WBL = great game give it to Hill this year but don't see much more for Hill the next couple of years.
Woodbury vs STA = Give this to Woodbury as STA has lost to much from the Tourney run teams
Tartan - CDH = Sorry CDH by way year in year out.
Mathomedi vs Stillwater = putting this one in as no way the Ponies lose bragging rights for the best team in the Arena again, it took a shoot out and reffing for Mathomedi to get that xmas present last year.
Roseville - NSP = Rosevile just continues it's District 2 dominance over an underpowered NSP, NSP has a nice group of 1st year bantams but will they all be polars in the future?
F Lake - SSP = come on not even close F Lake is a dark hose for me this year to ruin someones season, Losing Faulk really hurts Packers
Mounds View - Richfield = MV
Park - Henry Sibley = Park
Hastings - Simley = Hastings due to strong goaltending
I spend a lot of time on this board cause there is guys like you on here. Clueless and Classless.
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SYRUS THE VIRUS
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O.K ..."Jimmy the Greek, prognostacator extraordinaire'" so your only purpose in being on this board is to protect the rest of the free world from clueless-classless guys like me. Right? I don't buy it.. You always seem to have plenty to guess about..
My take is, your jobless and/or bored silly and don't have any thing else to do.. I can appreciate your passion for the game, but if your going to shoot your mouth off at least have some idea what your talking about..
(enter my post from earlier today 7:46 am here)
I'm tellin' ya Pea-Nutz give Mr Welsh a call. I'm sure he'll put you on the payroll. Heck the last 2 coaches he hired came right from the local salloon.
At this point it doesn't matter, at least your off the streets. Bottem line is, recently the Classic HAS been, and will continue to be the better confrence.
My take is, your jobless and/or bored silly and don't have any thing else to do.. I can appreciate your passion for the game, but if your going to shoot your mouth off at least have some idea what your talking about..
(enter my post from earlier today 7:46 am here)
I'm tellin' ya Pea-Nutz give Mr Welsh a call. I'm sure he'll put you on the payroll. Heck the last 2 coaches he hired came right from the local salloon.
At this point it doesn't matter, at least your off the streets. Bottem line is, recently the Classic HAS been, and will continue to be the better confrence.
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Pucknutz69
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It's been better because of 2 private schools? Other then that what has any other team in that conference done? CDH has went twice recently I believe Woodbury has the past few years. Hastings had a nice run a few years back and How about White Bear you seem to like them 17 times a brides maid. AT least Hill has the seeds to play AA level.
So if I have a love fest for WELCH what is your hang up with him? You aren't from Hastings, SSP maybe? Or you one of the Refs he makes look stupid when he questions your bad calls?
I will be closer with my picks then you with your clusless opinion. SEC would dominate the CSC and you know it.
Yeap I am bored silly, but having a damn good time setting you up. Go drink it off Syrus at least I have a kid still playing HS hockey, your blowup doll never did produce that little virus for you did it? Oh well go back to watching Oprah as you must not be working at the Jiffy Lube today based on how many times you have checked in.
So if I have a love fest for WELCH what is your hang up with him? You aren't from Hastings, SSP maybe? Or you one of the Refs he makes look stupid when he questions your bad calls?
I will be closer with my picks then you with your clusless opinion. SEC would dominate the CSC and you know it.
Yeap I am bored silly, but having a damn good time setting you up. Go drink it off Syrus at least I have a kid still playing HS hockey, your blowup doll never did produce that little virus for you did it? Oh well go back to watching Oprah as you must not be working at the Jiffy Lube today based on how many times you have checked in.