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conditioningsucks
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Post by conditioningsucks »

So DaVinci.....

Let me get this correct. Minnesota Hockey is saying that it is OK for your kid to have options....they can [u]choose[/u] to play hockey with their association buddies; or they can [u]choose[/u] to play with their school buddies.

Or they can [u]choose[/u] to play with their school buddies one year because the team might be good, and then the next year ditch to skate with their association buddies because the school team is going to be bad.

Why shouldn't my kid be allowed to play hockey anywhere. If I am a member of a church in Eden Prairie, but live in Bloomington; why can't my kid play hockey with a lot of the buddies he is going through confirmation with? If my grade schooler goes to a private school in Wayzata, and I live in Golden Valley, shouldn't he be allowed to play in Wayzata's association?

And...it gets greyer from there. If my kid goes to FHIT with a bunch of friends from Minnetonka (his buddies), why can't he have the option of skating with his buddies rather than his association kids?

Hopefully you are getting my drift. Minnesota Hockey is granting some kids the right to [u]choose[/u] where they want to play, while other kids - who may be in a crappy association - are not being given a [u]choice[/u].

.....in conclusion.....Bernie :twisted: needs to build six more rinks and be SuperRink South. Then my kid who does not attend a private has a [u]choice[/u] and has options equivalent to what you want us to 'get used to'.
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Post by davinci »

conditioningsucks wrote:So DaVinci.....

Let me get this correct. Minnesota Hockey is saying that it is OK for your kid to have options....they can choose to play hockey with their association buddies; or they can choose to play with their school buddies.

Or they can choose to play with their school buddies one year because the team might be good, and then the next year ditch to skate with their association buddies because the school team is going to be bad.

Why shouldn't my kid be allowed to play hockey anywhere. If I am a member of a church in Eden Prairie, but live in Bloomington; why can't my kid play hockey with a lot of the buddies he is going through confirmation with? If my grade schooler goes to a private school in Wayzata, and I live in Golden Valley, shouldn't he be allowed to play in Wayzata's association?

And...it gets greyer from there. If my kid goes to FHIT with a bunch of friends from Minnetonka (his buddies), why can't he have the option of skating with his buddies rather than his association kids?

Hopefully you are getting my drift. Minnesota Hockey is granting some kids the right to choose where they want to play, while other kids - who may be in a crappy association - are not being given a choice.

.....in conclusion.....Bernie :twisted: needs to build six more rinks and be SuperRink South. Then my kid who does not attend a private has a choice and has options equivalent to what you want us to 'get used to'.
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Post by hockeydog64 »

davinci wrote:
hockeydog64 wrote:
Ontheice wrote:They're back! In District 6
Really? Please tell us more!
An e mail was sent to some STA parents looking for players interested in joining a BB team or JGB team in district 6. To all who are going to start whining. GET OVER IT privates are not going away.
While I disagree with the trend towards diluting the base of community youth hockey organizations (and generally agree with the logic of the post by "conditioningsucks"), I don't have a major problem with this if it is being done through the proper channels and above board, and so long as they aren't going to be then dumped back into D8 for play-offs when D8 won't have seen them all year.
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Post by Ontheice »

davinci wrote:
hockeydog64 wrote:
Ontheice wrote:They're back! In District 6
Really? Please tell us more!
An e mail was sent to some STA parents looking for players interested in joining a BB team or JGB team in district 6. To all who are going to start whining. GET OVER IT privates are not going away.
This thread is unfairly focused on STA which I thought was the example used to start a thread about fairness in Mn Hockey. Which really is a sub-topic about the way MN Hockey (statewide governing body of amateur hockey in Minnesota) is performing in its governence. The quote "Privates are not going away" is perhaps/probably true though contrary to what we have seen out MN Hockey's latest actions/pronouncements/minutes. The fact that Hockey is moving in a different direction than its governing body is trying to lead is what is the real issue here. The private school issue is one of the smallest issues facing the sport especially statewide. Other issues are more pressing and complex. Yet over a year into the recent flare-up of the private issue have our leaders resolved it? Have they set a firm direction? Has the Discernment committee discerned anything? Are we more confident in their ability to lead us through the big issues at least in time for the Mites of 2015?

So there is my whine.
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Post by observer »

It's unlikely they'll have a team as all the players would need to register with their home association first and get a waiver to play for any other program other than their community based one. Kids can't skate without being registered and paid at their home association. Most associations, and Districts, have tightened their policies on waivers and generally don't allow them unless the association doesn't offer a team at the appropriate level for the player. Since most associations offer Bantam B the players will play where they live which is the foundation of Minnesota Hockey. Also, most Districts have a policy that if a single association doesn't offer a particular level team then the players may be waived to another association in the same District that has the appropriate level team and needs players.

Youth associations don't offer high school teams and schools don't offer youth hockey teams. Period.

Last year STA violated several rules during team formation as the players weren't registered with their home associations before skating so they were uninsured. Some didn't have waivers which is another violation of MN Hockey rules. Coaches were rumored not to be certified at the appropriate level. MN Hockey will be watching for these same violations this year so there won't be any skating for any Bantam aged players, anywhere, until after youth hockey association registration.

This is one of the situations where they have permission but can't do it anyways as they won't have any players with waivers to play for them.

Why anyone would be supportive of this is weird. The selfish leadership (dads) that came up with the idea to form youth hockey teams that draw players from the very associations they'd like to develop players for them in the future is an unusual way to build a mutually supportive relationship. As youth associations face declining numbers at several levels, especially Bantam, why would any youth association be supportive of the development of more Bantam B teams. It's totally unnecessary. It has to be a few selfish dads because I can't imagine STA administration being behind an arrangement that could potentially damage their relationship with the very associations they're hoping to partner with on player development.

MN Hockey leaves decisions like this up to the districts and the associations and the associations and districts aren't going to waive players to a private anyways. End of discussion.

No school hosted youth hockey teams. Everyone needs to get behind their community based youth association and do what they can to be supportive of the association, and your child playing with his community based friends, until school hockey starts when youth hockey years are complete. It's clearly the most sensible structure and the one we currently have in place.

No waivers.
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Post by muckandgrind »

observer wrote:It's unlikely they'll have a team as all the players would need to register with their home association first and get a waiver to play for any other program other than their community based one. Kids can't skate without being registered and paid at their home association. Most associations, and Districts, have tightened their policies on waivers and generally don't allow them unless the association doesn't offer a team at the appropriate level for the player. Since most associations offer Bantam B the players will play where they live which is the foundation of Minnesota Hockey. Also, most Districts have a policy that if a single association doesn't offer a particular level team then the players may be waived to another association in the same District that has the appropriate level team and needs players.

Youth associations don't offer high school teams and schools don't offer youth hockey teams. Period.

Last year STA violated several rules during team formation as the players weren't registered with their home associations before skating so they were uninsured. Some didn't have waivers which is another violation of MN Hockey rules. Coaches were rumored not to be certified at the appropriate level. MN Hockey will be watching for these same violations this year so there won't be any skating for any Bantam aged players, anywhere, until after youth hockey association registration.

This is one of the situations where they have permission but can't do it anyways as they won't have any players with waivers to play for them.

Why anyone would be supportive of this is weird. The selfish leadership (dads) that came up with the idea to form youth hockey teams that draw players from the very associations they'd like to develop players for them in the future is an unusual way to build a mutually supportive relationship. As youth associations face declining numbers at several levels, especially Bantam, why would any youth association be supportive of the development of more Bantam B teams. It's totally unnecessary. It has to be a few selfish dads because I can't imagine STA administration being behind an arrangement that could potentially damage their relationship with the very associations they're hoping to partner with on player development.

MN Hockey leaves decisions like this up to the districts and the associations and the associations and districts aren't going to waive players to a private anyways. End of discussion.

No school hosted youth hockey teams. Everyone needs to get behind their community based youth association and do what they can to be supportive of the association, and your child playing with his community based friends, until school hockey starts when youth hockey years are complete. It's clearly the most sensible structure and the one we currently have in place.

No waivers.
I don't buy the "selfish dad" arguments. You say these kids should be playing with their community association friends...but what about the idea of kids playing with their SCHOOL friends? Many (not all) of these players grow up going to private school and interact with the kids from school more than kids in their neighborhood.

I think the local associations should be more flexible in granting waivers. Many of these associations are dying a slow death and the kids who are forced to play within these poorly run associations with dwindling numbers are the ones who suffer. For the better players, it hurts their development when they are forced to play with others who don't can't play at the same skill level.

"Community-based" hockey is a nice idea when you live in an area that has a strong youth program. But when you are playing in a small association that doesn't have enough players and teams that allows kids to play at the level they should be playing at...everyone suffers. It's not fair to have kids who are "B" level players forced to play on the "A" team because of small numbers and vice versa.
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Post by observer »

Then you must be one of them.

What I'm saying is if you line up the 8-10 kids they have that may be interested in playing Bantam B hockey at STA I believe most would say they would have no problem playing their final year of youth hockey with their friends they've played with their previous years. One or two final years. Kids don't request waivers, dads do.

Anyways, that's the structure we currently have in place. Did you want a special allowance for a few players out of thousands of hockey players. We've got a pretty good structure in place. Once associations and districts start making exceptions to the rules there's a problem. Like life, follow the rules.

Associations and districts will likely support their other associations and districts. Associations and districts currently offer Bantam B so there's no need for additional special circumstance squads. Associations and districts that don't support other associations and districts on decisions like this are unlikely or will just need a little additional educating regarding the current structure in place. If there are people out there that don't understand why associations and districts need to be supportive of our current structure, and rules, then they're missing a large chunk of gray matter.

Here's the process and Minnesota Hockey is watching because of the violations in the process a year ago,

Register, and pay, for your community based hockey association. Required or your player isn't insured through USA Hockey. No exceptions.

Most Districts, and associations, require all registered and paid players attend tryouts with their community based association.

Request waiver, because you're a baby and want special considerations no one else in the state receives.

Waiver denied because your community based association already offers Bantam B.

I've heard waivers granted because families and players are a total pain in the ass, and weak anyways. That will make for a good squad. Dysfunctional school, coaches, parents and players. I heard that's how they behaved last year. Beautiful.

Be supportive of your community based hockey association and your district through your child's Bantam years. They have done a lot of great work for Minnesota hockey players over the years. Most of us owe them great thanks. Don't be destructive. High school comes soon enough. It's easy and everyone follows the same rules.

No waivers. No youth teams sponsored by schools.
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Post by muckandgrind »

observer wrote:Then you must be one of them.

What I'm saying is if you line up the 8-10 kids they have that may be interested in playing Bantam B hockey at STA I believe most would say they would have no problem playing their final year of youth hockey with their friends they've played with their previous years. One or two final years. Kids don't request waivers, dads do.

Anyways, that's the structure we currently have in place. Did you want a special allowance for a few players out of thousands of hockey players. We've got a pretty good structure in place. Once associations and districts start making exceptions to the rules there's a problem. Like life, follow the rules.

Associations and districts will likely support their other associations and districts. Associations and districts currently offer Bantam B so there's no need for additional special circumstance squads. Associations and districts that don't support other associations and districts on decisions like this are unlikely or will just need a little additional educating regarding the current structure in place. If there are people out there that don't understand why associations and districts need to be supportive of our current structure, and rules, then they're missing a large chunk of gray matter.

Here's the process and Minnesota Hockey is watching because of the violations in the process a year ago,

Register, and pay, for your community based hockey association. Required or your player isn't insured through USA Hockey. No exceptions.

Most Districts, and associations, require all registered and paid players attend tryouts with their community based association.

Request waiver, because you're a baby and want special considerations no one else in the state receives.

Waiver denied because your community based association already offers Bantam B.

I've heard waivers granted because families and players are a total pain in the ass, and weak anyways. That will make for a good squad. Dysfunctional school, coaches, parents and players. I heard that's how they behaved last year. Beautiful.

Be supportive of your community based hockey association and your district through your child's Bantam years. They have done a lot of great work for Minnesota hockey players over the years. Most of us owe them great thanks. Don't be destructive. High school comes soon enough. It's easy and everyone follows the same rules.

No waivers. No youth teams sponsored by schools.
Actually, I'm not. My two sons will be playing Squirts and Bantams for their local association this year. And I do much more than many around my locale to support youth hockey. But I can definitely see the argument for having private Bantam teams or allowing kids to waiver out to other better run associations. The local associations should figure out a way to create an environment where kids WANT to stay instead of forcing them to.

Deny it all you like, but there are MANY poorly run and poorly attended youth associations in this state. Hockey is an expensive sport. Why should people be forced to shell out thousands of dollars a year to see their son or daughter not have fun because their team gets creamed every game and not be properly developed because there aren't enough players to field skill-appropriate teams?

My son has MUCH more fun playing AAA hockey in the summer than he does playing association hockey in the winter. Why? Because he talks about how much fun it is to play with other kids who are of similar ability and determination....AND he has developed long-lasting friendships with those players as well. It's a shame that parents are forced to pay for an association that their kids don't want to play for all because some monopoly (MN Hockey) says they have to.

My kids will do it basically because there is no other option. But I will hear the same thing from my older son that I have been hearing for the past couple of years: "I can't wait for summer hockey." And to be honest, I don't blame him a bit. He shows more improvement after AAA than he does after association hockey, BY FAR.

If we were fortunate enough to live in Edina, Wayzata, Woodbury, etc. I'm sure we would think differently. But we don't. The way my son looks at it is winter hockey is just something to do until summer hockey starts up again. It's a shame, but that's the way it is. He IS looking forward to playing for the local high school team, but sees Bantams as a something he "has" to do, not something he "wants" to do. But he'll go out there and give it all he has and be a team-player.

Yes to waivers and giving families a choice.
Last year STA violated several rules during team formation as the players weren't registered with their home associations before skating so they were uninsured.
Doesn't the cost to register with USA Hockey cover the insurance? If so, all the player needs to do is register with USA Hockey to be insured, not with the local association.
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Post by observer »

If St. Thomas was a youth hockey association. They are not. To be a youth association you need to offer teams at all levels. So a few STA dads are trying to convince an existing youth association to allow them to hitch their wagon to an existing youth association with a sponsor arrangement. There are currently none in the State. Any youth association members having these discussions (private? secret?) with STA parents are unlikely to have full association support. There are plenty of Bantam B opportunities in town without adding more. In fact, because of the increasing number of Bantam eligible players playing high school hockey and the overall declining numbers in some metro areas the need for additional bantam level teams is at it's lowest point ever.

1. Register and pay with your home association.
2. Attend your community hockey association bantam tryouts
4. Wait for your team assignment
3. Request waiver (denied)

End of discussion.

I'll add, since there are often missing details in posts. Blake currently has the only "affiliate agreement" in the State. They received a two year extension on their affiliate agreement, this season and next, and then will cease to exist. The affiliate agreement allows them to act as a youth association even though they only have one single youth level team. They are an association and belong to District 3 which is where their original campus is located. The vote came in at the Minnesota Hockey meeting to no longer allow any affiliate agreements. The whole STA Bantam B team discussion is silly as they requested an affiliate agreement, it was voted on and denied. Someone wasn't listening.

As I said, STA has permission to form a Bantam B team but MN Hockey knew they wouldn't have the ability to do so. Why? Because associations and districts, that support one an others vision for community based hockey, aren't going to help someone that doesn't share the same vision. Every metro association offers Bantam B hockey so there are opportunities for everyone close to home.
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one question

Post by Tenoverpar »

Just a few questions:

If these kids are going to attend a Private High School and are enrolled and attending that school, why not allow a parochial/private Bantam league as a new district in it's own that eventually is allowed into the state playoff system?

What harm does it do and who does it hurt? Who is the loser in this?
If the high school coach wants to motivate the association to be a feeder to him, why wouldn't he support it as well?

Bottom line, IT"S F"ING YOUTH HOCKEY...as long as the child has a place to play and a jersey to put on, who are any of us to judge them????
Get off the good old boy horse and deal with it that some families choose to send their kids to private schools. ITS NOT YOUR ISSUE.

Is the reality that we're affraid players will be lured to private schools to form all star teams??? Because if it is and we're talking about Bantams, we all know that what you do at Bantams is relatively meaningless..so why the fuss??????????
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Post by observer »

Hey more likely Twentyoverpar,

You're confusing a few issues here. One, it's potentially not a private school discussion at all. No one has a problem with sending children to private schools. I might choose to do so myself. The question is, do we want youth hockey teams sponsored by schools? Maybe public schools would like to have their own Bantam teams too.

It's also a business. Let's say you own a dry cleaner in your neighborhood. Would you favor another dry cleaner to be constructed in the same neighborhood as yours? It will cut your business by 20%. Are you in favor of that? Will you help him to start his business?

Hey, you can propose whatever you want. Spend a few hundred hours developing your plan and write a proposal. Take it to a MN Hockey meeting in the spring and propose it to get consideration. They're happy to hear your ideas. In fact, last spring they did hear a proposal and it was denied. Move on. Work hard to improve your situation within your your community hockey association.

Maybe you should start your own political party and whoever you want to be President wins. Just because there's a process, history, an election and rules what does that matter. Your candidate wins because you think it's a good idea. People have a lot of wild ass ideas which is fine. Work hard and gain political support and maybe you can get a majority vote on your idea. So far it hasn't been successful and hasn't gained majority support.
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Post by relax please »

Holy cow. Bantam B hockey has sure got people stirred up. Observer you say if private schools can have their own Bantam program then public schools should to. Last time I checked public schools already do. Edina youth association feeds Edina high school, White Bear lake youth association feeds White Bear High school, Apple Valley youth association feeds Apple Valley High. Do you see the relationship. Local associations feed the high schools in their association. As far as STA raiding Lakeville youth hockey that is a stretch at best. You are sure that the hockey department at STA came in and made kids go to STA for no other reason than to play hockey. Did you ever think that maybe their parents wanted to provide an educational setting far better than the public setting and they determined that it was provided at STA. Maybe Lakeville association hockey is poorly run and the High School program worse.
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relax please wrote:Holy cow. Bantam B hockey has sure got people stirred up. Observer you say if private schools can have their own Bantam program then public schools should to. Last time I checked public schools already do. Edina youth association feeds Edina high school, White Bear lake youth association feeds White Bear High school, Apple Valley youth association feeds Apple Valley High. Do you see the relationship. Local associations feed the high schools in their association. As far as STA raiding Lakeville youth hockey that is a stretch at best. You are sure that the hockey department at STA came in and made kids go to STA for no other reason than to play hockey. Did you ever think that maybe their parents wanted to provide an educational setting far better than the public setting and they determined that it was provided at STA. Maybe Lakeville association hockey is poorly run and the High School program worse.
You need to "relax please". Observer has it right. Public schools, especially in the metro, have NO claim on where a kid goes to high school. Let kids play with their neighbors in the current system or risk pushing elitism all the way down to kindergarten. Don't like it? Leave. There are options.
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Post by muckandgrind »

Enough already with the whole idea of "playing with your neighbors" or "community". Things have changed. Many families consider the schools where they send their children their "community", and not the neighborhood they live in. We also have associations merging. Do you think the kids who live in Fridley but are forced to play in Brooklyn Park feel as if they are playing with their neighborhood friends? Of course not. Is the new Richfield - Washburn merger keeping with the spirit of "community-based" hockey? St. Louis Park and Mpls Southwest? No and no.

Obviously, MN Hockey will never let go of their iron-fisted monopoly anytime soon, so this is the system we have for now. Let the kids who play in poorly run associations suffer, while the kids who live in the "hockey-rich" communities like Edina and Wayzata flourish. The system, as it currently stands, favors the associations with the large numbers. They are the ones that can set up a system that better develops their players, while the associations that barely have enough players to field a team can't do the same thing.

Under this system, families don't have any options for their children. Which is fine for Minnesota Hockey, but bites for Minnesota Families.
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Post by Neutron 14 »

Options? Does Roseau have options? Warroad? Rapids? You already have options they don't. And I don't hear them whining. We have a system. Don't like it? Use your options.
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Neutron 14 wrote:Options? Does Roseau have options? Warroad? Rapids? You already have options they don't. And I don't hear them whining. We have a system. Don't like it? Use your options.
Options? What options? The only option there is that I know of is moving, which is really not an option.

Warroad and Roseau are both well-run youth associations. I can't imagine anyone WANTING to leave those associations. Unfortunately, there are a lot of associations that aren't nearly at the quality of those two.
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Or option out 8)

I have seen the side of too many options - the grass is not greener on the other side, nor does it smoke very well :P
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Observe but can't see

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Observer, you are missing my point...in this case we're talking about a SINGLE team of 17 players. That's it. St Thomas, we're talking 17 kids out of the thousands playing hockey...17...17...17. So why the fuss for 17 kids?

You honestly went completely overboard in your post..pretty pathetic and makes no sense at all.
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Post by observer »

I understand your point. Currently there is no allowance for school hosted youth hockey teams in Minnesota. St. Thomas, and some of the others, lobbied and brought a proposal to the Minnesota Hockey meeting in the spring. It was presented and denied. That's the end of the discussion for now. I'm not going overboard and it makes perfect sense. Please be supportive of the majority (99.5%) as opposed to being destructive.

It's not just 17 kids. If St. Thomas is allowed special privileges, different than anyone else in the State, to form a Bantam B team even after their request was denied, do you suppose other private schools would be interested in doing the same? Some Bantam teams have kids from 6 high schools on one team. Should all 6 high schools have a Bantam B team or just one.

Our State has a community based hockey association structure and that's the way it's done. It works extremely well for everyone in the State and all of our energy needs to go toward preserving that structure. Community is defined as where you live.

Blake has two more seasons and then they're done. Interestingly, they've had kids over the years come in and play Bantam B as a first year and then return to their association for a second year as a Bantam A. Is that the model?

What about U16 boys?
Jr. Gold?
Tier 1?

Please focus your energy where we need help not where we don't. Meet with your community based hockey association leadership and ask what you can do to help them improve the association. Life is about serving others.
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Post by muckandgrind »

observer wrote:I understand your point. Currently there is no allowance for school hosted youth hockey teams in Minnesota. St. Thomas, and some of the others, lobbied and brought a proposal to the Minnesota Hockey meeting in the spring. It was presented and denied. That's the end of the discussion for now. I'm not going overboard and it makes perfect sense. Please be supportive of the majority (99.5%) as opposed to being destructive.

It's not just 17 kids. If St. Thomas is allowed special privileges, different than anyone else in the State, to form a Bantam B team even after their request was denied, do you suppose other private schools would be interested in doing the same? Some Bantam teams have kids from 6 high schools on one team. Should all 6 high schools have a Bantam B team or just one.

Our State has a community based hockey association structure and that's the way it's done. It works extremely well for everyone in the State and all of our energy needs to go toward preserving that structure. Community is defined as where you live.

Blake has two more seasons and then they're done. Interestingly, they've had kids over the years come in and play Bantam B as a first year and then return to their association for a second year as a Bantam A. Is that the model?

What about U16 boys?
Jr. Gold?
Tier 1?

Please focus your energy where we need help not where we don't. Meet with your community based hockey association leadership and ask what you can do to help them improve the association. Life is about serving others.
No it doesn't. It works for the medium to large associations, but the smaller ones it doesn't.

The system, as it currently stands, is extremely flawed and benefits SOME but not others. You want evidence of that? Look at the teams that make it past regions and go to state every year...notice a pattern?
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District 6 Problem

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Now STA is in district 6 under Sakopee's banner.
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Post by relax please »

Options,OPTIONS when people use their options and send their kids to private schools people are ranting how that has deminished the association and high schools team that they left. If a player plays association hockey for lets say Lakeville South thru Bantams unless he sits out a year, moves or quits hockey he is the property of Lakeville South. Take your blinders off and get over being the last kid picked.
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Post by DuckDuckQuackQuack »

muckandgrind wrote:
Neutron 14 wrote:Options? Does Roseau have options? Warroad? Rapids? You already have options they don't. And I don't hear them whining. We have a system. Don't like it? Use your options.
Options? What options? The only option there is that I know of is moving, which is really not an option.

Warroad and Roseau are both well-run youth associations. I can't imagine anyone WANTING to leave those associations. Unfortunately, there are a lot of associations that aren't nearly at the quality of those two.
Muck- You're right! People need to have some options with youth hockey. This is why you're seeing alternative programs starting. Associations need to keep in mind these kids will come back better skaters. The more private programs that pop up over the next few years you will see the associations becoming more flexible.

tomASS- If the kids have fun playing hockey for another hockey program then yes the grass is greener on the other side. I think we can all agree it's all about the kids.

Keep in mind that Edina lost some REALLY good Mite skaters this past winter to a private program. People want alternative options and they should receive alternative options. I'm still trying to figure out why grown adults want to dictate where other families kids can play hockey. Why?
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Private Schools

Post by HockeyFan55 »

I sent my kids to a parochial school. They played hockey at their local association. Everyone blast MN Hockey on this issue. MN Hockey isn't stopping the private schools from fielding teams, and or their own league. They are only stopping them from fielding a USA Hockey sanctioned team.

Either follow the rules, or form your own 'non-MN Hockey' teams and leagues. The only thing stopping these schools from forming their own teams are themselves.

No one ever said that you had to be registered with USA Hockey/MN Hockey to be able to play hockey in the state.

If you want to play in a District sponsored league, or go to a USA Hockey sanctioned tournament, play by the rules that 95% of the other players have to observe.
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Post by Neutron 14 »

MINNESOTA HOCKEY: Putting up with peas and moaning parents since 1947.

My hats off to them.
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