gopherwanabe -
Since LP doesn't currently have a Squirt kid and won't be a coach on the team, why blame him for your kid not making it? Wouldn't the head and assistant coaches be involved in the decision? Do you really think they would take LP's opinions and place them above their own? Based on all these posts, it appears as though everyone agrees that Wayzata doesn't use outside evaluators, so that leaves the coaches and a couple other "opinions" to make the decision. The head coach has to deal with who ultimately ends up on the team, so why wouldn't they want the best players, regardless of any "input" LP might have had.
Trouble a brewin' with Wayzata Peewee A
Moderators: Mitch Hawker, east hockey, karl(east)
-
My_Kid_Loves_Hockey
- Posts: 232
- Joined: Fri Nov 23, 2007 12:25 am
Nothing like blaming somebody else for your kid not making the A team (and the few others).All I know is that my kid and a few others aren't playing Squirt A when they clearly should be. How can they make the final 24 last year as 1st years but they don't make the team this year as 2nd years?
What did your player do this off season to prepare for the winter?
If he did nothing that is fine as you are not obligated too.
I do know that some of the kids that made the team this year (they were B last year) put in an quite a bit of time.
Who gave you this answer? When confronted it's always easier to push the blame on somebody else.Here is the answer I rec'd when I asked that question. "LP is an evaluator and he picked his buddy's kids."
If I read some of the post correctly, you're being called out because you choose to hide behind your screen name.But you're right, I'm the bad guy for writing the truth about Mr. LP.
You're bashing "LP" by name, step up and say "I'm_______________"(or is that to hard to do?)
Most associations have the last 2 players that could go either way (A or B) and i would think that with an association that is as large as Wayzata's that your probably closer to the top(A)/bottom(B) being 5 that could swing either way. Would you still feel the same if your kid and another were switched?Would there be all this outrage?
I always love the "canned" answers. Cut the guy some slack, just maybe he's right? We all know it happens all the time. On the other side, that's why they have to do so much during the off season to offset the injustices where everyone's up in arms. What I mean, he has to be an obvious standout to break the "inner sanctum". It's not the way it should be but it's unfortuneately the way it often is. Then again, maybe they recognized something you didn't?
My kid isn't in the "sanctum". We're outsiders but slowly breaking through. If A is the goal, which it is we have to push to make sure my kids an obvious Top 5 or Top 1-2. We just might not make the team if he were #10. It requires us to loose our sanity sometimes but the other side of the coin is we'd loose it either way by getting screwed at tryouts. So we support him until he feels differently.
Good luck.
My kid isn't in the "sanctum". We're outsiders but slowly breaking through. If A is the goal, which it is we have to push to make sure my kids an obvious Top 5 or Top 1-2. We just might not make the team if he were #10. It requires us to loose our sanity sometimes but the other side of the coin is we'd loose it either way by getting screwed at tryouts. So we support him until he feels differently.
Good luck.
-
hockey24/7
- Posts: 9
- Joined: Thu Sep 04, 2008 11:05 pm
Gopherwannabe, you said your kid was one of the final "24" as a first year. Doesn't add up, they never went down to 24. They have 30 skaters in Expanded A, then they cut it to 20, and finally 15. So either your kid was one of the top 30 skaters last year, or he was one of the final 5 cut from the A team. Which is it? Just because your kid was one of the top 30 last year wouldn't guarantee an A spot this year, kids develop differently and besides they always take some first year players. Get over the "LP is the reason for all my woes" pity party! He is a great coach and Wayzata is lucky to have him and most Wayzata parents recognize that!
-
southernhockey1
- Posts: 131
- Joined: Sun Dec 02, 2007 7:46 am
tomASS,gopherwannabe wrote:All I know is that my kid and a few others aren't playing Squirt A when they clearly should be. How can they make the final 24 last year as 1st years but they don't make the team this year as 2nd years?
Here is the answer I rec'd when I asked that question. "LP is an evaluator and he picked his buddy's kids."
But you're right, I'm the bad guy for writing the truth about Mr. LP.
Also, I am going to take your advice and speak with Mr. LP directly about his favoritism towards his friend's kid's.
Are you following this one? 3 posts, 2 of which have been edited....This is an impressive poster. The thing that has me scratching my head is this parent is a second year squirt parent, don't they usually get it figured out by the end of the 1st year?
gopherDADwannabe,
Why do you have your kid in hockey? Life lesson, take advantage of it and take your time and energy and apply it to your kid and not coming on a board and bashing a single person, by name of all things. Take a seat at the Muni and drown your sorrows, but please leave us out of your Falcon Crest drama. You are embarrassing your kid, family and association, not to mention hockey parents across the world.
I take this attack as an insult and you have not started off of the right foot. You don't get a second chance at a first impression. You have a long road to hoe if you actually plan on coming on this board and expect to be taken serious.
Retract and delete or be faced with eternal hockey talk damnation.
-
Toomuchtoosoon
- Posts: 267
- Joined: Tue Aug 26, 2008 4:46 pm
I think gopher wannabe is talking top 20 instead of 24. There is a kid that fits that description that from all accounts got the short end. The problem, from what I have heard is that there were several kids who were not even realistically close who made it over others who were very good. The common theme is parents who are active, work the behind the scenes, had kids who leapfrogged many kids. The other common theme is Medina CC where a lot of the evaluators go along with some bubble kids that made it, or were at least friends of people at Medina. You also have a lot of good players who even if they are number 29 at Wayzata, they are probably better than number 15 most anywhere else outside of Edina.
The evaluations were either predetermined or extremely flawed. Any time you have a parent coach, the appearance of wrong doing will be taken as fact. Wayzata should have hired independent evaluators (outside the association)who chose the top 15. That would solve the problem. The team would have been different, and probably better.
The evaluations were either predetermined or extremely flawed. Any time you have a parent coach, the appearance of wrong doing will be taken as fact. Wayzata should have hired independent evaluators (outside the association)who chose the top 15. That would solve the problem. The team would have been different, and probably better.
-
iwearmysunglassesatnight
- Posts: 314
- Joined: Fri Jul 18, 2008 10:07 pm
[quote="Toomuchtoosoon"]I think gopher wannabe is talking top 20 instead of 24. There is a kid that fits that description that from all accounts got the short end. The problem, from what I have heard is that there were several kids who were not even realistically close who made it over others who were very good. The common theme is parents who are active, work the behind the scenes, had kids who leapfrogged many kids. The other common theme is Medina CC where a lot of the evaluators go along with some bubble kids that made it, or were at least friends of people at Medina. You also have a lot of good players who even if they are number 29 at Wayzata, they are probably better than number 15 most anywhere else outside of Edina.
The evaluations were either predetermined or extremely flawed. Any time you have a parent coach, the appearance of wrong doing will be taken as fact. Wayzata should have hired independent evaluators (outside the association)who chose the top 15. That would solve the problem. The team would have been different, and probably better.[/quote]
So your saying the team will not be very good this year?
The evaluations were either predetermined or extremely flawed. Any time you have a parent coach, the appearance of wrong doing will be taken as fact. Wayzata should have hired independent evaluators (outside the association)who chose the top 15. That would solve the problem. The team would have been different, and probably better.[/quote]
So your saying the team will not be very good this year?
Was a duster and paying for it?????
-
Toomuchtoosoon
- Posts: 267
- Joined: Tue Aug 26, 2008 4:46 pm
They will be very good. A lot of high quality players. The bottom half is interchangeable with a lot of the top end B players. The bottom half just have to hold serve while the top half score. The goalies are top rate. Cronyism works best when you are not signicantly hurt by going with a lesser player.
No gonads here. They should have gone with 2 A teams like Edina. They would be the top two of three A teams in the district. Maple Grove is the only one who can compete in the District.
No gonads here. They should have gone with 2 A teams like Edina. They would be the top two of three A teams in the district. Maple Grove is the only one who can compete in the District.
-
HockeyGuy12345
- Posts: 10
- Joined: Mon Mar 03, 2008 3:38 pm
-
muckandgrind
- Posts: 1566
- Joined: Mon Aug 18, 2008 10:48 am
Many parents think that their kid should "clearly" make the A team...but that is usually because many parents have blinders on.gopherwannabe wrote:All I know is that my kid and a few others aren't playing Squirt A when they clearly should be. How can they make the final 24 last year as 1st years but they don't make the team this year as 2nd years?
Here is the answer I rec'd when I asked that question. "LP is an evaluator and he picked his buddy's kids."
But you're right, I'm the bad guy for writing the truth about Mr. LP.
Also, I am going to take your advice and speak with Mr. LP directly about his favoritism towards his friend's kid's.
It doesn't matter where your kid was ranked last year. That was last year, this is this year. Maybe there were some really good 1st year players this season. Maybe your kid didn't have as good of a tryout this year as he did last year. There are multiple reasons why a player doesn't make a team.
If you don't think the tryout process was fair, take it up with the Board and use this as a lesson to your player that life isn't always fair.
Personally, I don't believe that parent coaches should be involved in the tryout process...but that is the way your Board decided to go. Show up to the next board meeting and ask that they re-visit that policy.
B
Just a thought, but if you're from a large dominant association like Edina or Wayzata, wouldn't almost benefit some bubble to just play down than up. The realty is, the A teams at these associations play only a handful of games that are even remotely close all year. These kids get bored when it's 8-0. At some point the parents get bored as well. There's no excitemen in watching 8-0 after 8-1 after 12-3 games after games.
At least at the B level, the play will be a "bit" more close and the player will be a top of the team kid instead of the kid who's dad is on here in February complaining the coach isn't rolling the lines and jonny didn't get on the ice in the 3rd at all.
If you're a coach, teach the game.
If you're a parent, enjoy the game.
If you're upset about the process, volunteer and become part of it.
If none of the above help, LACROSSE is great game and I guarantee your kid will love it, sign up for a winter clinic near you!!
At least at the B level, the play will be a "bit" more close and the player will be a top of the team kid instead of the kid who's dad is on here in February complaining the coach isn't rolling the lines and jonny didn't get on the ice in the 3rd at all.
If you're a coach, teach the game.
If you're a parent, enjoy the game.
If you're upset about the process, volunteer and become part of it.
If none of the above help, LACROSSE is great game and I guarantee your kid will love it, sign up for a winter clinic near you!!
New England Prep School Hockey Recruiter
Something to think about.
How to be the Best Player and Not Make a Tryout Team
July 19, 2007 — sportsesteem
There are so many different things that coaches look for in building a team. Player skill is just one thing and sometimes not even the most important. Coaches evaluate players on a variety of other criteria including:
Team Skills - Does the player grasp the way teams work together to win games?
Relative Physical Development - Is the player physically larger or small than his teammates?
Leadership - In tough game situations, could the player step up as a role model for teammates?
Listening - Does the player pay attention and understand things quickly?
Personality - Does the player’s personality fit with the other player’s selected?
Mentoring Ability - How much can the player positively impact others on the team?
Positional Knowledge - How much does the player know about the playing the variety of situations faced in regular game?
Unselfishness - Does the player make plays for the benefit of the team or build individual stats?
Level of Effort - How hard does a player work during tryouts?
Familiarity - Does the coach have experience working with the player?
Family Involvement - Does the coach have good or bad experience working with a player’s family?
Team Needs - How many players are needed for each position? Though last on the list, team needs are often the most important. Teams don’t need five skilled catchers. So even though a player may be a great catcher, the chances of making a team are greatly diminished if the coach prefers another player for that limited need.
While a tryout may look like a skills contest, coaches can observe these factors by the way the skills are carried out. Most coaches believe that skill deficits are much easier to correct than the issues listed above. Coaches will gamble with lesser skilled players that present the best overall package.
Good coaches can make skilled players but only the players themselves (with the help of their parents) can make skilled teammates.
How to be the Best Player and Not Make a Tryout Team
July 19, 2007 — sportsesteem
There are so many different things that coaches look for in building a team. Player skill is just one thing and sometimes not even the most important. Coaches evaluate players on a variety of other criteria including:
Team Skills - Does the player grasp the way teams work together to win games?
Relative Physical Development - Is the player physically larger or small than his teammates?
Leadership - In tough game situations, could the player step up as a role model for teammates?
Listening - Does the player pay attention and understand things quickly?
Personality - Does the player’s personality fit with the other player’s selected?
Mentoring Ability - How much can the player positively impact others on the team?
Positional Knowledge - How much does the player know about the playing the variety of situations faced in regular game?
Unselfishness - Does the player make plays for the benefit of the team or build individual stats?
Level of Effort - How hard does a player work during tryouts?
Familiarity - Does the coach have experience working with the player?
Family Involvement - Does the coach have good or bad experience working with a player’s family?
Team Needs - How many players are needed for each position? Though last on the list, team needs are often the most important. Teams don’t need five skilled catchers. So even though a player may be a great catcher, the chances of making a team are greatly diminished if the coach prefers another player for that limited need.
While a tryout may look like a skills contest, coaches can observe these factors by the way the skills are carried out. Most coaches believe that skill deficits are much easier to correct than the issues listed above. Coaches will gamble with lesser skilled players that present the best overall package.
Good coaches can make skilled players but only the players themselves (with the help of their parents) can make skilled teammates.
-
Fire and Ice
- Posts: 291
- Joined: Sun Nov 04, 2007 4:51 am
- Location: The Lost City of Centennial
