Class of 2010 goal scorers?

[KatoDad]

Looking at the stats for goals scored on the MN coaches web site I noticed a big drop in the number of goals scored by the class of 2010, this years juniors. Looking at the top 50 goal scorers from last year 21 graduated in 2008 (seniors) 17 will be seniors this year, 4 will be juniors and 8 will be sophomores. Is the class of 2010 going to to be a weaker class?

[hockeya1a]

Looking at the stats for goals scored on the MN coaches web site I noticed a big drop in the number of goals scored by the class of 2010, this years juniors. Looking at the top 50 goal scorers from last year 21 graduated in 2008 (seniors) 17 will be seniors this year, 4 will be juniors and 8 will be sophomores. Is the class of 2010 going to to be a weaker class?

I do not think this will be the a weaker year, you cannot compare the numbers that the Sophs scored vs Sr. You would have to compare the stats year to year Sophs vs sophs and Sr vs Sr and so on.
But this would be the year that these girls need to shine.

[joehockey]

Class of 2010 has some really top pure scorers in my mind in no particular order who will have big team leadership and production in their jr and senior years - I don't know who Miss Hockey in 2010 will be and if she can match Ms. Smith of HA scoring last year but 2010 should be a very top class of scoring talent:

Gina McDonald Irondale
Bethany Brausen Roseville
Kayla Capistrant Roseville
Kristi King Stillwater
Lisa Tuuri Stillwater
Dana Gallop GRG
Corinne Buie Edina
Rose Alleva Red Wing
Amanda Collins Burnsville
Mary O'Brien N. St. Paul
Christina Larson Anoka
Cara Johnson Hopkins
Joyce Slaughtery Centenial
Ashley Stenerson Moorehead

I don't know the northern girls as well but know there are other top scorers outstate that will produce a lot of goals.

Ok so taking out the seniors who graduated in 2008 here are the top 59 goal scorers returning to HS hockey (assuming that all of the schools reported all of their stats last year to the coaches site which I am not sure happened).

RK GRADE PLAYER TEAM PM POS G A PTS
1 9 Kvasnicka, Katy Mankato West F 52 42 94
2 11 Schmid, Haylea St. Francis/North Branch 22 F 42 21 63
3 9 Kuehl, Taylor Mound-Westonka 32 F 40 26 66
4 11 Wagner, Catherine Austin 30 F 37 29 66
5 11 Kortum, Becky Hopkins 28 F 37 21 58
6 11 Anderson (A), Nicole Shakopee 34 F 37 15 52
7 9 Schultz, Dani Morris/Benson Area 10 F 37 22 59
8 11 Black, Alyssa Mankato West F 36 47 83
9 10 Flesher, Mary Grace Rochester Mayo 2 F 36 17 53
10 9 Lorence, Meghan Irondale 13 F 35 23 58
11 11 Lane, Kylie (A) Roseau 36 F 34 41 75
12 11 Romatoski, Kelsey Academy of Holy Angels 30 D 34 28 62
13 9 Baumann, Krystal Farmington 12 F 34 17 51
14 11 Komarek, Sally Blake School 12 F 32 30 62
15 11 Christensen, Jenna Albert Lea 22 F 32 24 56
16 11 Luhmann, Sara Windom 44 F 32 16 48
17 10 Gilbert, Julia Proctor/Hermantown/Marshall 16 F 32 21 53
18 11 Loken , Mary (C) Roseau 20 F 31 39 70
19 11 Zrust, Lauren Blaine 20 F 30 14 44
20 11 Nelson, Alex Andover 22 F 29 27 56
21 10 Anez, Michelle Alexandria 6 F 29 34 63
22 10 Stenerson, Ashley Moorhead 16 F 29 16 45
23 10 McDonald, Gina Irondale 6 F 29 15 44
24 11 Weiss, Jami Proctor/Hermantown/Marshall 22 F 28 23 51
25 10 Alleva, Rose Red Wing 32 D 28 12 40
26 8 BRANDT, HANNAH Hill-Murray 10 F 27 18 45
27 11 Arola, Molly Grand Rapids/Greenway 10 F 26 26 52
28 11 Nelson, Ali Maple Grove 56 D 26 12 38
29 10 Turner, Jordana Eveleth-Gilbert 22 F 25 15 40
30 9 Ness, Abby Roseau 6 F 24 20 44
31 9 Jensen, Leah East Grand Forks 18 F 24 12 36
32 9 Sylvester, Karley Warroad 40 F 23 24 47
33 11 Chute, Margaret Blake School 6 F 22 25 47
34 10 Gallop, Dana Grand Rapids/Greenway 12 F 22 33 55
35 10 Olson, Amy Roseau 16 F 22 15 37
36 9 Lloyd, Vanessa Mankato West 4 F 22 29 51
37 9 Arbogast, Amanda Eveleth-Gilbert 6 F 22 22 44
38 11 Lundquist, Sadie Cloquet 18 F 21 17 38
39 10 Story, Brook Warroad 34 F 21 14 35
40 9 Marvin, Layla Warroad 26 F 21 27 48
41 9 Snodgrass, Emily Eastview 24 F 21 19 40
42 9 Bergland, Megan Faribault 4 F 21 15 36
43 11 Lunneborg, Michelle Richfield 16 F 20 15 35
44 8 Mc Millen, Milica Breck 44 F 20 18 38
45 11 Berreman, Lisa Eagan 52 D 19 26 45
46 11 Wheelhouse, Erika Crookston 12 D 19 21 40
47 9 Jordyn, Burns Benilde-St. Margaret 14 D 19 19 38
48 11 Gilbert, Megan Andover 28 F 17 33 50
49 10 Kothenbeutel, Nikki Sartell-Sauk Rapids 18 F 17 25 42
50 11 Christofferson, Jessica Bemidji 44 F 16 35 51
51 11 Zebro, Olivia St. Francis/North Branch 42 F 16 33 49
52 10 Saxon, Jenny Wayzata 20 F 16 24 40
53 10 Brausen, Bethany Roseville 12 F 16 20 36
54 11 Dusold, Sarah Irondale 12 F 14 27 41
55 11 Ingbretson, Kayla Mound-Westonka 18 F 14 21 35
56 9 Hirsch, Casey Maple Grove 38 F 13 23 36
57 11 Seppi, Megan Eveleth-Gilbert 26 F 11 26 37
58 10 Johnson, Cara Hopkins 30 F 11 35 46
59 10 Pickel, Keri Rochester Mayo 14 F 11 24 35

Last looking at the 10 grade results who will be class of 2010 only you see a different list from my perceptions of pure goal scorers above.

RK GRADE PLAYER TEAM PM POS G A PTS
9 10 Flesher, Mary Grace Rochester Mayo 2 F 36 17 53
17 10 Gilbert, Julia Proctor/Hermantown/Marshall 16 F 32 21 53
21 10 Anez, Michelle Alexandria 6 F 29 34 63
22 10 Stenerson, Ashley Moorhead 16 F 29 16 45
23 10 McDonald, Gina Irondale 6 F 29 15 44
25 10 Alleva, Rose Red Wing 32 D 28 12 40
29 10 Turner, Jordana Eveleth-Gilbert 22 F 25 15 40
34 10 Gallop, Dana Grand Rapids/Greenway 12 F 22 33 55
35 10 Olson, Amy Roseau 16 F 22 15 37
39 10 Story, Brook Warroad 34 F 21 14 35
49 10 Kothenbeutel, Nikki Sartell-Sauk Rapids 18 F 17 25 42
52 10 Saxon, Jenny Wayzata 20 F 16 24 40
53 10 Brausen, Bethany Roseville 12 F 16 20 36
58 10 Johnson, Cara Hopkins 30 F 11 35 46
59 10 Pickel, Keri Rochester Mayo 14 F 11 24 35

[Melvin44]

Just because a player scores allot of goals doesn’t' necessarily make her a great player. Most goal scorers are also in weaker conferences or on teams playing weaker schedules where there is less depth more scoring chances and higher scores.

Mankato West schedule

11/08/2007 7:00 PM vs. New Ulm W 6-2
11/13/2007 7:00 PM at Waseca W 9-1
11/20/2007 7:30 PM vs. Albert Lea L 6-5
11/27/2007 5:30 PM vs. Rochester Century W 9-0
11/29/2007 5:30 PM vs. Rochester John Marshall W 4-1
12/06/2007 7:30 PM at Rochester Mayo L 2-0
12/08/2007 12:00 PM vs. South St. Paul W 3-2
12/11/2007 5:30 PM at Mankato East W 10-2
12/13/2007 7:30 PM at Austin W 6-1
12/18/2007 7:30 PM vs. Owatonna W 5-0
12/20/2007 5:30 PM vs. L-H/St. Peter/Le Center W 5-2
12/29/2007 TBA vs. Austin (Austin) W 11-5
01/03/2008 7:30 PM at Faribault W 6-1
01/08/2008 5:30 PM at Albert Lea L 3-2
01/10/2008 7:30 PM at Rochester Century W 6-0
01/15/2008 7:30 PM at Rochester John Marshall W 8-0
01/18/2008 7:00 PM vs. Winona W 8-2
01/24/2008 5:30 PM vs. Mankato East W 9-2
01/26/2008 1:00 PM vs. Rochester Mayo L 3-0
01/31/2008 7:00 PM at Owatonna W 8-2
02/02/2008 12:00 PM at Winona W 8-1
02/05/2008 7:30 PM vs. Faribault W 7-3
Class A - Section 2 Girls Hockey
02/07/2008 6:00 PM vs. Mankato East W 9-1
Class A - Section 2 Girls Hockey
02/12/2008 8:30 PM vs. Hutchinson (Gustavus Adolphus) W 3-1
Class A - Section 2 Girls Hockey
02/14/2008 7:30 PM vs. New Prague (Gustavus Adolphus) L 8-1

Pretty tough schedule. I don't know how they have 2 of the top 8 scorers?

2008 was a very strong year. Most teams in strong conferences where there is more depth rely on their seniors and therefore they will score more goals. When you watch allot of games you'll notice that the great players are the ones that can do it all. Play two way hockey, Make smart plays most of the time, makes the great pass etc and yes scoring the game winning goal in a 3-2 game.

[hockeyrube7]

Stats are for losers they say. They are a very poor indicator of a good hockey player. Maybe this is a sign of why MN hockey is falling behind, we tend to highlight just these player.

[OntheEdge]

Just because a player scores allot of goals doesn’t' necessarily make her a great player. Most goal scorers are also in weaker conferences or on teams playing weaker schedules where there is less depth more scoring chances and higher scores.

Mankato West schedule

11/08/2007 7:00 PM vs. New Ulm W 6-2
11/13/2007 7:00 PM at Waseca W 9-1
11/20/2007 7:30 PM vs. Albert Lea L 6-5
11/27/2007 5:30 PM vs. Rochester Century W 9-0
11/29/2007 5:30 PM vs. Rochester John Marshall W 4-1
12/06/2007 7:30 PM at Rochester Mayo L 2-0
12/08/2007 12:00 PM vs. South St. Paul W 3-2
12/11/2007 5:30 PM at Mankato East W 10-2
12/13/2007 7:30 PM at Austin W 6-1
12/18/2007 7:30 PM vs. Owatonna W 5-0
12/20/2007 5:30 PM vs. L-H/St. Peter/Le Center W 5-2
12/29/2007 TBA vs. Austin (Austin) W 11-5
01/03/2008 7:30 PM at Faribault W 6-1
01/08/2008 5:30 PM at Albert Lea L 3-2
01/10/2008 7:30 PM at Rochester Century W 6-0
01/15/2008 7:30 PM at Rochester John Marshall W 8-0
01/18/2008 7:00 PM vs. Winona W 8-2
01/24/2008 5:30 PM vs. Mankato East W 9-2
01/26/2008 1:00 PM vs. Rochester Mayo L 3-0
01/31/2008 7:00 PM at Owatonna W 8-2
02/02/2008 12:00 PM at Winona W 8-1
02/05/2008 7:30 PM vs. Faribault W 7-3
Class A - Section 2 Girls Hockey
02/07/2008 6:00 PM vs. Mankato East W 9-1
Class A - Section 2 Girls Hockey
02/12/2008 8:30 PM vs. Hutchinson (Gustavus Adolphus) W 3-1
Class A - Section 2 Girls Hockey
02/14/2008 7:30 PM vs. New Prague (Gustavus Adolphus) L 8-1

Pretty tough schedule. I don't know how they have 2 of the top 8 scorers?

2008 was a very strong year. Most teams in strong conferences where there is more depth rely on their seniors and therefore they will score more goals. When you watch allot of games you'll notice that the great players are the ones that can do it all. Play two way hockey, Make smart plays most of the time, makes the great pass etc and yes scoring the game winning goal in a 3-2 game.

I completely agree with Melvin. Look at the big goal scorers and I bet most of them get most of their points against weaker teams.

[brookyone]

Stats are for losers they say. They are a very poor indicator of a good hockey player.

This is a generalization I can't agree with. Scoring stats are in many instances a good indicator of a players ability...sometimes even in the absence of quality competition. I do agree they (stats) can be deceiving and are not always an accurate indicator of ability. Definitely cannot judge a players true ability by looking at statistics only.

[brookyone]

I completely agree with Melvin. Look at the big goal scorers and I bet most of them get most of their points against weaker teams.

Except that reality alone doesn't automatically mean those big goal scorer(s) aren't genuinely gifted. Division I hockey right now is loaded with impact players from Minnesota high school who had inflated stats via playing weak competition for much of their HS career.

I just feel we should also / always give credit where credit is due regardless of what you might characterize as favorable circumstances for any particular players big numbers.

[OntheEdge]

I completely agree with Melvin. Look at the big goal scorers and I bet most of them get most of their points against weaker teams.

Except that reality alone doesn't automatically mean those big goal scorer(s) aren't genuinely gifted. Division I hockey right now is loaded with impact players from Minnesota high school who had inflated stats via playing weak competition for much of their HS career.

I just feel we should also / always give credit where credit is due regardless of what you might characterize as favorable circumstances for any particular players big numbers.

I never said that some of the big scorers aren't good players. A good example is Lauren Smith. She's a great player but if you look at her stats from last year most of her goals were from weaker teams. Additionally it was general knowledge that she was double shifted even when AHA was blowing out the competition. AHA counted on Smith to score (and Romatoski to a lesser extent). On the other side, there are great players that don't have gaudy numbers. For example, Corine Buie only had 14 goals but look at Edina's schedule last year. Buie was recognized in NY and selected for the allstar team this year. Also, Edina didn't rely on one player to score as scoring was more spread among teammates so she didn't need to score 2-3 goals a game.

Bottom line stats can be and often are misleading especially in girls hockey where competition is so uneven.

[Melvin44]

I completely agree with Melvin. Look at the big goal scorers and I bet most of them get most of their points against weaker teams.

Except that reality alone doesn't automatically mean those big goal scorer(s) aren't genuinely gifted. Division I hockey right now is loaded with impact players from Minnesota high school who had inflated stats via playing weak competition for much of their HS career.

I just feel we should also / always give credit where credit is due regardless of what you might characterize as favorable circumstances for any particular players big numbers.

I never said that some of the big scorers aren't good players. A good example is Lauren Smith. She's a great player but if you look at her stats from last year most of her goals were from weaker teams. Additionally it was general knowledge that she was double shifted even when AHA was blowing out the competition. AHA counted on Smith to score (and Romatoski to a lesser extent). On the other side, there are great players that don't have gaudy numbers. For example, Corine Buie only had 14 goals but look at Edina's schedule last year. Buie was recognized in NY and selected for the allstar team this year. Also, Edina didn't rely on one player to score as scoring was more spread among teammates so she didn't need to score 2-3 goals a game.

Bottom line stats can be and often are misleading especially in girls hockey where competition is so uneven.

Very well said!

I also wasn't saying a player that plays in a lesser conference isn't a great player only that just because someone scores allot of goals doesn't necessarily mean she is a great player. I was reacting to a comment like 2010 didn't score allot of goals and asking if it was weak class. That is crazy for someone to say. Anyone who has watched this class and knows hockey will admit it is one of the stronger classes. Yes only time will tell and lets see in 2 years.

[Hansonbrother]

Stats are for losers they say. They are a very poor indicator of a good hockey player.

This is a generalization I can't agree with. Scoring stats are in many instances a good indicator of a players ability...sometimes even in the absence of quality competition. I do agree they (stats) can be deceiving and are not always an accurate indicator of ability. Definitely cannot judge a players true ability by looking at statistics only.

I'm so tired of hearing who is a good scorer. Especially those that come from weak sister schedules. Who cares. I like watching those players play against the better teams and get shut out and then watching these posts go crazy.

What I'm even more tired of is watching phenomenal defensive play get no credit at all. Where are the posts of great defenders that these so called scorers can't seem to get around? How about Cretin last year whose defensemen carried that team to a 3rd place finish? It wasn't their scoring that got them there. When you can keep Roseville, Stillwater, Benilde, and EP from scoring more than 3 goals in a game, you have an excellent chance at beating them. And if you can hold those teams to 3 goals or less, you're going to be able hold the others to even less.

Why doesn't someone start a blog on some of the best defensive defensemen around? I would love to find out who these players are. You always hear about the offensive defensemen. I want to know who's out there that won't show up on a stat chart, but are still the core of the best teams? Or maybe they are not on a great team, but the even the best forwards can't get around them. Who are they?

[hatrickstar4321]

I agree!!!

[createfun]

I am not sure how much you can rely on these lists. My daughter is a 2010 graduate and she scored over 20 goals last year and is not on the above list.

[Hansonbrother]

I am not sure how much you can rely on these lists. My daughter is a 2010 graduate and she scored over 20 goals last year and is not on the above list.

Did she play AA or A, did she play metro, norhtern, or south? Your question can get answered in a hurry. A lot depends on who her schedule was against. There wasn't a lot of sophomore 20 goal scorers in the SEC last year thats for sure, or 20 goal scorers in general for that matter.

[createfun]

She played AA in the Metro

[KatoDad]

No matter your feeling on the matter the numbers are what the numbers are. What would the anti stats folks be saying if the teams with weaker schedules did not have multi goal games from their stars? How would the stats be viewed? My point being is their has to be a measuring stick and the most logical thing is the game stats. Also, having no experience with post high school recruiting, don't the scouts look at game stats too? What chance does anyone from Southern Minnesota have of going post secondary if they score 2 goals and sit out the rest of the game? Our girls need to get noticed and sorry to say, anyway they can ie stats.

[Hansonbrother]

No matter your feeling on the matter the numbers are what the numbers are. What would the anti stats folks be saying if the teams with weaker schedules did not have multi goal games from their stars? How would the stats be viewed? My point being is their has to be a measuring stick and the most logical thing is the game stats. Also, having no experience with post high school recruiting, don't the scouts look at game stats too? What chance does anyone from Southern Minnesota have of going post secondary if they score 2 goals and sit out the rest of the game? Our girls need to get noticed and sorry to say, anyway they can ie stats.

Well, I'm convinced the the DIII schools look solely at stats and try and go after those players that the D1 schools don't pick up. I spoke to a couple of coaches from the SEC who had some really top notch talent that wasn't even getting a look from any of the D1 schools and very little looks from the MIAC. I guess if I were a college coach, I would look at the schools with successful programs and find out why and who the players are that are making them successful. Seems kind of obvious to me.
As far as the southern schools go, most of them don't jump in to the tougher schedule during the year. They seem to load up on the softer schedules and then get hammered come tourney time. Most of the competitive Northern teams come down to the cities or have them come up every year to challenge their players. I never get that sense with the southern teams. They seem complacent with softer schedules.

[brookyone]

Well, I'm convinced the the DIII schools look solely at stats and try and go after those players that the D1 schools don't pick up. I spoke to a couple of coaches from the SEC who had some really top notch talent that wasn't even getting a look from any of the D1 schools and very little looks from the MIAC. I guess if I were a college coach, I would look at the schools with successful programs and find out why and who the players are that are making them successful. Seems kind of obvious to me.

I see members of MIAC coaching staffs (all of them) at metro area high school games regularly...so I'd say they're doing more than looking at stats. They are most definitely scouting the players with their own eyes to make their own judgements on what a potential recruit could bring to their team(s).

I'd also guess the MIAC coaches are fully aware of which players are bonafide D-I talent and are in fact almost assuredly going to play division I...and subsequently know which players are both, likely to play D-III and are a player they may want on their team.

In other words:

I guess if I were a college coach, I would look at the schools with successful programs and find out why and who the players are that are making them successful. Seems kind of obvious to me.

I think coaches have been doing this very thing for some time.

BTW, thanks to both KatoDad for starting this thread and joehockey for his work gathering and posting the scoring information for those of us interested in such information...most of whom likely don't feel bound by others restrictive concepts of acceptable topics for discussion.

[Hansonbrother]

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quote]I think coaches have been doing this very thing for some time.

BTW, thanks to both KatoDad for starting this thread and joehockey for his work gathering and posting the scoring information for those of us interested in such information...most of whom likely don't feel bound by others restrictive concepts of acceptable topics for discussion

Yah you're probably right, college coaches never seem to miss anyone, and they don't wait for players to land in their lap.

[Propriety_Police]

I am not sure how much you can rely on these lists. My daughter is a 2010 graduate and she scored over 20 goals last year and is not on the above list.

These lists are only as good as the reporting. On both the girls and boys side they're often very inacurate. Coaches often change who was given credit on the official score sheet after they go back and watch the tape.

[SportsMa]

True about accuracy of reporting. There are a number of coaches in our area that don't report the individual stats to the various sites.

[Hansonbrother]

True about accuracy of reporting. There are a number of coaches in our area that don't report the individual stats to the various sites.

like Scheid?

[hockeya1a]

Just a question.
Are the coaches that do not report the stats, doing a dis-service to their own girls?

[SportsMa]

True about accuracy of reporting. There are a number of coaches in our area that don't report the individual stats to the various sites.

like Scheid?

Don't know about Scheid, not from our area.

Disservice-IDK. Our town's HS team has a couple Div I players and a number of Div III players over the years so don't think not having stats listed on websites hurt those players in their opportunities.

[titleist]

True about accuracy of reporting. There are a number of coaches in our area that don't report the individual stats to the various sites.

like Scheid?

Don't know about Scheid, not from our area.

Disservice-IDK. Our town's HS team has a couple Div I players and a number of Div III players over the years so don't think not having stats listed on websites hurt those players in their opportunities.

Sheid is the Stillwater coach that doesn't enter his players stats on the coaches site. I keep hoping Brooky will bug his team to do so.

Regarding the Dis-service portion, this site is supposed to be available to college coaches as well, so you do the math, if your kids team doesn't update the site, your kids stats don't get seen by some college coaches before they preview your kid