Elite League

MNHockeyFan · Post by **MNHockeyFan** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 10:20 am

The Exiled One wrote:Week 5 Leaderboard...

TEAM # 	Name            	GP	G 	A 	PTS	PPG
SW	12	Anders Lee      	12	10	11	21	1.75
SW	18	Zach Budish     	12	10	11	21	1.75
NO	7 	Max Tardy       	15	11	12	23	1.53
SE	8 	Schyler Adams   	15	9 	12	21	1.40
SW	14	Marshall Everson	13	9 	9 	18	1.38
NE	9 	Tyler Pitlick   	15	10	10	20	1.33
NO	9 	Ben Hanowski    	12	12	4 	16	1.33
WI	23	Matt Paape      	14	8 	10	18	1.29
WI	10	Wes Wauters     	15	11	8 	19	1.27
SE	19	Justin Crandall 	15	6 	13	19	1.27
NO	18	Bill Simon      	13	5 	11	16	1.23
SW	21	Danny Mattson   	14	8 	9 	17	1.21
WI	19	Tommy Westmark  	14	8 	9 	17	1.21
NE	21	Danny DeLisle   	15	10	8 	18	1.20
NO	21	Nate Schmidt    	15	3 	14	17	1.13
NE	15	Willie Hess     	15	8 	8 	16	1.07
NW	21	Joe Rehkamp     	15	5 	10	15	1.00

How does Anders Lee do it?

MINNESOTA INDIVIDUAL PASSING STATISTICS
NAME (SCHOOL) GM COM ATT PCT YDS TD INT
1 #9 Elliot Mathieu (Minneapolis Southwest) 6 133 207 64.3% 2255 30 4
2 #9 Anders Lee (Edina) 7 116 184 63.0% 1510 4 6
3 #14 Brady Yrjo (United North Central) 7 88 176 50.0% 1400 11 18
4 #8 James Peterson (Blaine) 7 144 231 62.3% 1383 13 10
5 #7 Dan Doran (Minnehaha Academy) 7 120 211 56.9% 1372 8 4
6 #11 Mark Alt (Cretin-Derham Hall) 7 97 145 66.9% 1313 12 2
7 #19 Adam Johnson (St. Cloud Tech) 7 90 139 64.8% 1279 14 3
8 #6 Blair Townsend (Coon Rapids) 7 89 135 65.9% 1236 17 4
9 #12 Wes Satzinger (Andover) 7 101 176 57.4% 1231 13 8
10 #14 TJ Larson (Prior Lake) 7 81 161 50.3% 1197 10 7

(and he has 28 touchdowns!

justwatchin · Post by **justwatchin** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 10:38 am

There are kids that have been out of more than one game due to injury, and some that came back to play prior to being fully recovered. So that may be a reason you do not see some of them with many points. You miss out on games you miss out on the scoring. You come back not 100% and your not at the top of your game.

Give the coaches credit, I know of one coach for sure that took the time to attend high school games all over last season to watch the kids play. The coaches just don't sit on a sight and watch points. They know what each of the kids can contribute to the team and what they are looking for.

breakout · Post by **breakout** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 12:28 pm

FYI, some stats are inflated due to PT. I have been told that there are teams that don't roll the players and have certain players on PP. Hopefully, that is inaccurate because winning and stats aren't the purpose of the league from what I understand.

justwatchin · Post by **justwatchin** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 7:25 pm

Same understanding as breakout- winning and stats are not the purpose of the league. And the kids were told that at camp!!!!

sticksuphigh · Post by **sticksuphigh** » Fri Oct 17, 2008 10:17 am

breakout wrote:FYI, some stats are inflated due to PT. I have been told that there are teams that don't roll the players and have certain players on PP. Hopefully, that is inaccurate because winning and stats aren't the purpose of the league from what I understand.

I can tell you Reed Larson and SW rolls all 4 lines equally, including starting rotation from game to game. They certainly do not have or use a power play lines or combinations. The league was set-up for equal play and not specialty lines or unequal playing time. I would be pissed if I am traveling all over to skate 5 shifts a game.

flatontheice · Post by **flatontheice** » Fri Oct 17, 2008 11:35 am

sticksuphigh wrote:
breakout wrote:FYI, some stats are inflated due to PT. I have been told that there are teams that don't roll the players and have certain players on PP. Hopefully, that is inaccurate because winning and stats aren't the purpose of the league from what I understand.
I can tell you Reed Larson and SW rolls all 4 lines equally, including starting rotation from game to game. They certainly do not have or use a power play lines or combinations. The league was set-up for equal play and not specialty lines or unequal playing time. I would be pissed if I am traveling all over to skate 5 shifts a game.

That is simply not true.

sticksuphigh · Post by **sticksuphigh** » Fri Oct 17, 2008 12:11 pm

flatontheice wrote:
sticksuphigh wrote:
breakout wrote:FYI, some stats are inflated due to PT. I have been told that there are teams that don't roll the players and have certain players on PP. Hopefully, that is inaccurate because winning and stats aren't the purpose of the league from what I understand.
I can tell you Reed Larson and SW rolls all 4 lines equally, including starting rotation from game to game. They certainly do not have or use a power play lines or combinations. The league was set-up for equal play and not specialty lines or unequal playing time. I would be pissed if I am traveling all over to skate 5 shifts a game.
That is simply not true.

That is the fact if you are talking about SW!

The only exception may be in a one goal game in the last minute or so of play and Larson may put a specific defensive combination to finish.

sticksuphigh · Post by **sticksuphigh** » Fri Oct 17, 2008 12:13 pm

flatontheice wrote:
sticksuphigh wrote:
breakout wrote:FYI, some stats are inflated due to PT. I have been told that there are teams that don't roll the players and have certain players on PP. Hopefully, that is inaccurate because winning and stats aren't the purpose of the league from what I understand.
I can tell you Reed Larson and SW rolls all 4 lines equally, including starting rotation from game to game. They certainly do not have or use a power play lines or combinations. The league was set-up for equal play and not specialty lines or unequal playing time. I would be pissed if I am traveling all over to skate 5 shifts a game.
That is simply not true.

That is the fact if you are talking about SW!

The only exception may be in a one goal game in the last minute or so of play and Larson may put a specific defensive combination to finish.

SHAKEnBAKE · Post by **SHAKEnBAKE** » Fri Oct 17, 2008 1:58 pm

Stats may not that accurate... Noticed a SW kid with 3 points, but he hasn't played in any of the games.

The Exiled One · Post by **The Exiled One** » Tue Oct 21, 2008 9:30 am

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Team # 	Name            	GP	G 	A 	PTS  PPG
SW	18	Zach Budish     	15	14	13	27	1.80
SW	12	Anders Lee      	15	11	13	24	1.60
NO	7 	Max Tardy       	18	13	14	27	1.50
WI	23	Matt Paape      	17	11	12	23	1.35
NO	18	Bill Simon      	16	8 	13	21	1.31
NE	9 	Tyler Pitlick   	18	13	10	23	1.28
SW	21	Danny Mattson   	17	11	10	21	1.24
WI	19	Tommy Westmark  	17	10	11	21	1.24
SE	8 	Schyler Adams   	18	10	12	22	1.22
SE	19	Justin Crandall 	18	7 	14	21	1.17
NO	9 	Ben Hanowski    	14	12	4 	16	1.14
SW	14	Marshall Everson	16	9 	9 	18	1.13
WI	10	Wes Wauters     	18	11	9 	20	1.11
NE	21	Danny DeLisle   	18	11	9 	20	1.11
NO	21	Nate Schmidt    	18	5 	14	19	1.06
GP	19	Adam Knochenmus 	18	10	8 	18	1.00
NE	15	Willie Hess     	18	9 	9 	18	1.00
NW	21	Joe Rehkamp     	18	7 	11	18	1.00

Can't Never Tried · Post by **Can't Never Tried** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 11:58 am

Here's the brackets for the tournament this weekend.
http://hselite.pucksystems.com/attachme ... MASTER.pdf

Also looks like SW wins the regular season....I think?

Doglover · Post by **Doglover** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 12:39 pm

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Maybe Elite shouldn't post the stats and then they could avoid the problem all together.

Can't Never Tried · Post by **Can't Never Tried** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 12:41 pm

Doglover wrote:__________________________________________________________
Maybe Elite shouldn't post the stats and then they could avoid the problem all together.

What's your point here?

elliott70 · Post by **elliott70** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 12:50 pm

Stats padded or not, Anders Lee is one heck of an athlete.

elliott70 · Post by **elliott70** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 12:51 pm

And having been in the league with Reed Larson, he is a very fair coach and individual.

The Exiled One · Post by **The Exiled One** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 1:34 pm

Speaking of stats, here's the final regular season leaderboard...

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Team # 	Name            	GP	G 	A 	PTS  PPG 	Yr	Pos
SW	18	Zach Budish     	15	14	13	27	1.80	12	F
SW	12	Anders Lee      	15	11	13	24	1.60	12	F
NO	7 	Max Tardy       	21	16	17	33	1.57	12	F
WI	23	Matt Paape      	20	13	15	28	1.40	11	F
SE	8 	Schyler Adams   	21	15	13	28	1.33	12	F
SW	14	Marshall Everson	19	13	12	25	1.32	12	F
NO	18	Bill Simon      	19	10	15	25	1.32	12	F
NO	9 	Ben Hanowski    	17	14	8 	22	1.29	12	F
WI	19	Tommy Westmark  	20	12	13	25	1.25	12	F
SW	21	Danny Mattson   	20	12	13	25	1.25	12	F
NE	9 	Tyler Pitlick   	21	15	11	26	1.24	12	F
SE	19	Justin Crandall 	21	8 	18	26	1.24	11	F
WI	10	Wes Wauters     	21	14	10	24	1.14	12	F
GP	19	Adam Knochenmus 	21	12	9 	21	1.00	11	F
NE	15	Willie Hess     	21	11	10	21	1.00	12	F
NW	21	Joe Rehkamp     	21	7 	14	21	1.00	12	F
SE	22	Zach May        	19	7 	12	19	1.00	11	F

Can't Never Tried · Post by **Can't Never Tried** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 1:39 pm

The Exiled One wrote:Speaking of stats, here's the final regular season leaderboard...

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Team # 	Name            	GP	G 	A 	PTS  PPG 	Yr	Pos
SW	18	Zach Budish     	15	14	13	27	1.80	12	F
SW	12	Anders Lee      	15	11	13	24	1.60	12	F
NO	7 	Max Tardy       	21	16	17	33	1.57	12	F
WI	23	Matt Paape      	20	13	15	28	1.40	11	F
SE	8 	Schyler Adams   	21	15	13	28	1.33	12	F
SW	14	Marshall Everson	19	13	12	25	1.32	12	F
NO	18	Bill Simon      	19	10	15	25	1.32	12	F
NO	9 	Ben Hanowski    	17	14	8 	22	1.29	12	F
WI	19	Tommy Westmark  	20	12	13	25	1.25	12	F
SW	21	Danny Mattson   	20	12	13	25	1.25	12	F
NE	9 	Tyler Pitlick   	21	15	11	26	1.24	12	F
SE	19	Justin Crandall 	21	8 	18	26	1.24	11	F
WI	10	Wes Wauters     	21	14	10	24	1.14	12	F
GP	19	Adam Knochenmus 	21	12	9 	21	1.00	11	F
NE	15	Willie Hess     	21	11	10	21	1.00	12	F
NW	21	Joe Rehkamp     	21	7 	14	21	1.00	12	F
SE	22	Zach May        	19	7 	12	19	1.00	11	F

Any reason they aren't in order ?

http://hselite.pucksystems.com/attachme ... kend-7.pdf

sticksuphigh · Post by **sticksuphigh** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 1:41 pm

Can't Never Tried wrote:

The Exiled One wrote:Speaking of stats, here's the final regular season leaderboard...

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Team # 	Name            	GP	G 	A 	PTS  PPG 	Yr	Pos
SW	18	Zach Budish     	15	14	13	27	1.80	12	F
SW	12	Anders Lee      	15	11	13	24	1.60	12	F
NO	7 	Max Tardy       	21	16	17	33	1.57	12	F
WI	23	Matt Paape      	20	13	15	28	1.40	11	F
SE	8 	Schyler Adams   	21	15	13	28	1.33	12	F
SW	14	Marshall Everson	19	13	12	25	1.32	12	F
NO	18	Bill Simon      	19	10	15	25	1.32	12	F
NO	9 	Ben Hanowski    	17	14	8 	22	1.29	12	F
WI	19	Tommy Westmark  	20	12	13	25	1.25	12	F
SW	21	Danny Mattson   	20	12	13	25	1.25	12	F
NE	9 	Tyler Pitlick   	21	15	11	26	1.24	12	F
SE	19	Justin Crandall 	21	8 	18	26	1.24	11	F
WI	10	Wes Wauters     	21	14	10	24	1.14	12	F
GP	19	Adam Knochenmus 	21	12	9 	21	1.00	11	F
NE	15	Willie Hess     	21	11	10	21	1.00	12	F
NW	21	Joe Rehkamp     	21	7 	14	21	1.00	12	F
SE	22	Zach May        	19	7 	12	19	1.00	11	F

Any reason they aren't in order ?

http://hselite.pucksystems.com/attachme ... kend-7.pdf

I believe they have it resulted based on points per game avg. PPG

The Exiled One · Post by **The Exiled One** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 1:43 pm

Here are your top scoring defensemen...

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Team #    Name          	GP	G	A    PTS  PPG 	Yr	Pos
NO	21	Nate Schmidt  	21	6	14	20	0.95	11	D
SW	4 	Nick Leddy    	21	7	10	17	0.81	12	D
NE	12	Joe Schmitz   	21	2	13	15	0.71	12	D
SE	6 	Chris Casto   	21	5	7 	12	0.57	11	D
SE	4 	Walker Hyland 	21	2	10	12	0.57	11	D
SE	2 	Tim LaBombard 	21	2	10	12	0.57	12	D
SW	6 	Andrew Prochno	19	2	8 	10	0.53	11	D
NE	2 	Brett Stern   	21	5	6 	11	0.52	11	D
NO	2 	Izaak Berglund	20	0	10	10	0.50	12	D
NE	13	Al McLean     	12	2	4 	6 	0.50	12	D
SW	7 	Jeffrey Pauluk	21	2	8 	10	0.48	11	D
NW	23	Patrick Borer 	19	2	7 	9 	0.47	12	D
NO	8 	Joe Arbour    	20	3	6 	9 	0.45	12	D
NO	12	Jake Williams 	20	2	7 	9 	0.45	11	D
SE	5 	Joe Faust     	21	3	6 	9 	0.43	11	D
WI	5 	Brian Kemp    	21	0	9 	9 	0.43	11	D

The Exiled One · Post by **The Exiled One** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 1:46 pm

sticksuphigh wrote:
Can't Never Tried wrote: Any reason they aren't in order ?

http://hselite.pucksystems.com/attachme ... kend-7.pdf
I believe they have it resulted based on points per game avg. PPG

Correct. Stats are misleading enough without leaving off the amount of games they actually played. I'm just trying to help.

Can't Never Tried · Post by **Can't Never Tried** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 1:49 pm

sticksuphigh wrote:

Can't Never Tried wrote:

The Exiled One wrote:Speaking of stats, here's the final regular season leaderboard...

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Team # 	Name            	GP	G 	A 	PTS  PPG 	Yr	Pos
SW	18	Zach Budish     	15	14	13	27	1.80	12	F
SW	12	Anders Lee      	15	11	13	24	1.60	12	F
NO	7 	Max Tardy       	21	16	17	33	1.57	12	F
WI	23	Matt Paape      	20	13	15	28	1.40	11	F
SE	8 	Schyler Adams   	21	15	13	28	1.33	12	F
SW	14	Marshall Everson	19	13	12	25	1.32	12	F
NO	18	Bill Simon      	19	10	15	25	1.32	12	F
NO	9 	Ben Hanowski    	17	14	8 	22	1.29	12	F
WI	19	Tommy Westmark  	20	12	13	25	1.25	12	F
SW	21	Danny Mattson   	20	12	13	25	1.25	12	F
NE	9 	Tyler Pitlick   	21	15	11	26	1.24	12	F
SE	19	Justin Crandall 	21	8 	18	26	1.24	11	F
WI	10	Wes Wauters     	21	14	10	24	1.14	12	F
GP	19	Adam Knochenmus 	21	12	9 	21	1.00	11	F
NE	15	Willie Hess     	21	11	10	21	1.00	12	F
NW	21	Joe Rehkamp     	21	7 	14	21	1.00	12	F
SE	22	Zach May        	19	7 	12	19	1.00	11	F

Any reason they aren't in order ?

http://hselite.pucksystems.com/attachme ... kend-7.pdf

I believe they have it resulted based on points per game avg. PPG

Cough up that link?

I haven't seen it like that.
Although it's possible they do it like that, those that played more games and have more points still lead the league IMO
No different then a running back that leads in yds per carry but but doesn't have as many carries etc.....

breakout · Post by **breakout** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 1:49 pm

sticksuphigh wrote:

Can't Never Tried wrote:

The Exiled One wrote:Speaking of stats, here's the final regular season leaderboard...

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Team # 	Name            	GP	G 	A 	PTS  PPG 	Yr	Pos
SW	18	Zach Budish     	15	14	13	27	1.80	12	F
SW	12	Anders Lee      	15	11	13	24	1.60	12	F
NO	7 	Max Tardy       	21	16	17	33	1.57	12	F
WI	23	Matt Paape      	20	13	15	28	1.40	11	F
SE	8 	Schyler Adams   	21	15	13	28	1.33	12	F
SW	14	Marshall Everson	19	13	12	25	1.32	12	F
NO	18	Bill Simon      	19	10	15	25	1.32	12	F
NO	9 	Ben Hanowski    	17	14	8 	22	1.29	12	F
WI	19	Tommy Westmark  	20	12	13	25	1.25	12	F
SW	21	Danny Mattson   	20	12	13	25	1.25	12	F
NE	9 	Tyler Pitlick   	21	15	11	26	1.24	12	F
SE	19	Justin Crandall 	21	8 	18	26	1.24	11	F
WI	10	Wes Wauters     	21	14	10	24	1.14	12	F
GP	19	Adam Knochenmus 	21	12	9 	21	1.00	11	F
NE	15	Willie Hess     	21	11	10	21	1.00	12	F
NW	21	Joe Rehkamp     	21	7 	14	21	1.00	12	F
SE	22	Zach May        	19	7 	12	19	1.00	11	F

Any reason they aren't in order ?

http://hselite.pucksystems.com/attachme ... kend-7.pdf

I believe they have it resulted based on points per game avg. PPG

Not sure why, but Hanowski's and Crandall's points stick out to me. Selfish vs. selfless or players of circumstance?

Can't Never Tried · Post by **Can't Never Tried** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 1:51 pm

breakout wrote:
sticksuphigh wrote:
Can't Never Tried wrote: Any reason they aren't in order ?

http://hselite.pucksystems.com/attachme ... kend-7.pdf
I believe they have it resulted based on points per game avg. PPG
Not sure why, but Hanowski's and Crandall's points stick out to me. Selfish vs. selfless or players of circumstance?

Your reading to much into it.

pioneers · Post by **pioneers** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 2:17 pm

Sometimes you are going to have goal scorers and sometimes you have set up guys. After all someone has to score the goals.

The Exiled One · Post by **The Exiled One** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 3:05 pm

Can't Never Tried wrote:Cough up that link? I haven't seen it like that.
Although it's possible they do it like that, those that played more games and have more points still lead the league IMO
No different then a running back that leads in yds per carry but but doesn't have as many carries etc.....

Compiled them myself. I disagree with the running back analogy though, as I'd much rather have a running back with 1000 yards in 11 games than a running back with 1200 yards in 16 games. Your analogy only works if I calculated points per TOI... which is a bit beyond my scope.

Total points versus average points is a personal preference thing. Some will like it better my way, some won't, and I'm comfortable with that.

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