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Post by Lucia4President »

SEMinnyHCKY wrote:I know that Dodge County is not in the Big 9, but they are in 1AA. Look for them to be around .500 this year, playing a tougher schedule (Lourdes, JM, Holy Family, Delano, Farmington) than past years. They could make some noise in the playoffs the next couple of years - young tem that will mature. In the younger levels they have beat many Twin City and Roch teams.

Here's a question - although Rochester almost had to open a third high school, how much has Century taken from Mayo and JM? Also, how much better would all three Roch schools be without losing kids to Lourdes. Lucia and SE Hockey Nut - would like to see what you think, along with others.
First, I don't see Dodge Country being a major factor. Yeah, they may beat Rochester and Cities teams in youth, but if I remember correctly they play only at the B level. If they move up to A, yeah they might lose more games, but it will help them in the long run. (Correct me if I'm wrong about no A team)

As far as Century taking kids from Mayo and JM, I'd say it was a bigger deal when they first opened. Now that the kids who play for Century, JM, Mayo all come up through youth knowing they will play for their respective school, it's different. You can't do anything about losing kids to Lourdes. They have a great program, are well coached, and very competitive every year.

I think this opens up the issue that has been talked about before with RYHA. In my opinion, they need to stop North/South and change to Mayo, Century, JM. I think it will get kids who might not be able to play A hockey to advance quicker, even though they will be sacrificing wins. You get better by playing with and against people who are better than you, so in the long run, it would boost the level of hockey in Rochester so that the HS teams would be able to compete with the better programs to the north.
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Post by SEMinnyHCKY »

The 10 -12 graders that are on the DC varsity this year played on A teams. The current bantams are playing B because they are not as skilled, I guess. I think the hockey association decides on a yearly basis. I'm not saying they're winning the section, but if they get on a roll they could make the section semifinals, which would be an accomplishment!

Do Century and Mayo have solid non - conference schedules? Also, does anyone know the field for the Christmas Tourney this year in Roch?
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SEMinnyHCKY wrote:The 10 -12 graders that are on the DC varsity this year played on A teams. The current bantams are playing B because they are not as skilled, I guess. I think the hockey association decides on a yearly basis. I'm not saying they're winning the section, but if they get on a roll they could make the section semifinals, which would be an accomplishment!

Do Century and Mayo have solid non - conference schedules? Also, does anyone know the field for the Christmas Tourney this year in Roch?
Century's Non-con: White Bear Lake, Tartan, Lakeville North, Benilde, Rosemount, Lakeville South, Duluth East, Duluth Marshall, Roseville. Very legit

Mayo's Non-con: Roseville, Champlin Park, Red Wing, Farmington, Hibbing, Virginia, Lakeville North, Duluth East, Lakeville South. Not so legit.
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SEMinnyHCKY wrote: Here's a question - although Rochester almost had to open a third high school, how much has Century taken from Mayo and JM? Also, how much better would all three Roch schools be without losing kids to Lourdes. Lucia and SE Hockey Nut - would like to see what you think, along with others.
I am not as connected to the kids as I used to be and really have little idea as to where the current Lourdes kids would be if they weren't at Lourdes, aside from Vessel who was at Kellogg I don't know of any other public school transfers either. It's also not as bad as it was a few years ago when a couple of high up youth coaches did all they could to hurt the JM and Century programs by encouraging their kids to go to Lourdes. That said I'm not sure that any of the public schools would be marketly better, Lourdes is a top 10 A program but still hasn't been better against their competition than the public schols have against the same teams. Lourdes lost to West by 2, same as a pretty bland Century teams did. After watching the 1AA section final I don't think Lourdes would have stayed with in 4 of either Lakeville school at that point in the season, neither did Mayo. Size and depth just favored the Lakeville schools too much.

No question adding a couple of Lourdes kids to any of the public schools would add a great deal of depth, enough to overcome Lakeville? No, at least not regularly. That leads to my other point; that the it's not really a defection of talent but more a lack of depth that hurts the public schools. After Century opened there were still plenty of kids playing hockey, Century had around 70 kids try out not so long ago, last year Century and JM cut no one, they both also needed seniors and freshmen to fill out their JV rosters, something almost unheard of in Rochester until last year. Rochester is no where near alone in this in the Big Nine, Owatonna had maybe 10-12 kids on their JV, Albert Lea had 6 or so dressed for their 3rd periods. Only Winona and Mayo seemed to have decent traditional JV numbers last season.
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Post by SouthrenHockey44 »

As far as Lourder taking kids from the public schools lets see this is what i can remeber

Eric Ammundson- JM
Brandon Bahnamen (SP) Century
Bayo Adfin- Century, but belive he was catholic school all the way up
Zach Owen- if you remeber him- JM
Charlie Hexum- Century
Cole Peterson- Century
Taylor Funk- Century/Winona
Wylam Brothers- Mayo
Scudamore- Mayo
Voigt-Mayo

Thats all i can remeber in the last 2 seasons, anyone know about befor that?
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Post by HShockey2180 »

Didn't Hexum come from Shattuck?

Was Sam Slightum (sp) at Kellog (Century) before Lourdes?
Lourdes also has Kurth and Chezick who both went to Mayo freshman year.
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The Slightam kid is from Stewartville, he may go to Catholic school in Rochester but the family lives in Stewartville.
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Post by SouthrenHockey44 »

yes hexum came from shattuck, but he went to kellogg for a few years, then went to shattuck, but he lives in century boundries,
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Post by GoalmanNorse »

Mayo Defense is better than Badgerman18 thinks for this year. I have watched those guys for years. Weber is fast and scored/assisted with multiple goals last year. Hoppenworth can't skate - what a joke - sounds like you have personal issues. The kid scored/assisted on 6 points last year and was first out there for penalty kills. Oetlike & Hoppenworth energized the team after being sidelined a couple games with injuries to beat Century in sections. Powers is gaining experience. Keep an eye on them.

Thauwald was a good strong player but very predictible. Skated up the side of the rink, around the back of their goal and tried to hit it in the net. Sad to say 90% of the time it failed. Charlie is a good guy - wish him the best of luck in Chicago. The Whitney, Fisher & Alexander line had chemistry with that many goals. They do however get tired toward the end of games with so much playing time on their shifts and first out on power plays.

Team unity & focus on each game and injuries will determine much of their fate.
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Re: Big Nine Conference

Post by sedes »

universaldegreaser wrote:Any predictions for the year? who will be good? who not so good?
1- Mayo
2- Winona
3- Albert lea
4- Mankato west
5- Owatonna
6- Century
7- JM
8- Austin
9- Faribault
10- Mankato East

Those are my rankings of the Big nine
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Post by golfreak »

1. Albert Lea
2. Rochester Mayo
3. Rochester Century
4. Mankato West
5. Owatonna
6. Faribault
7. Winona
8. Rochester John Marshall
9. Mankato East
10. Austin

There's my biased predictions. DIG IN!
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Post by GoalmanNorse »

1. Mayo
2. Albert Lea
3. Owatonna
4. Mankato West
5. Winona
6. Century
7. Faribault
8. JM
9. Mankato East
10. Austin

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Post by SEMinnHockeyNut »

Lourdes has still been getting some guys. Not like they did in the last 90's when many of a great Bantam team went together.

I have to wonder though - had Mayo still had some of those guys, could they have beaten the Lakevilles? I know that Voigt and Chezik could have helped generate more offense. Imagine Voigt centering Chezik and Thauwald last year. Now you have two huge scoring lines and Mayo's 3rd line would have been better too - probably Flott, Block, and Truex/Buske/Goslee.
The BAT line would have never floudered in the middle of the season because Grosso probably would not have had to make a switch and juggle lines and I have to believe Charlie would still be at Mayo.
Not only would that line-up make Mayo favored in the Big Nine, it would make them section favorites as well.

I know that is would've, could've, should've, but to say that those guys playing at Lourdes doesn't hurt Mayo is just not accurate.
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Post by goldy313 »

1-Mayo
2-Owatonna
3-Albert Lea
4-Faribault
5-Winona
6-West
7-Century
8-John Marshall
9-East
10-Austin

Mayo shouldn't be challenged in the Big Nine, Faribault and Owatonna both have a couple of selects that will help them. A lot of turn over in nearly everyone except Mayo and Faribault leaves a lot of question marks.
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Post by GopherPuck15 »

did anyone get a chance to watch any of these teams scrimmage? I'm assuming that a few of these teams atleast played some scrimmages this weekend?
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Post by golfreak »

Albert Lea scrimmaged Owatonna, New Prague, and New Ulm Friday night as well as Mankato West and Rochester Mayo on Saturday morning.

All in all I think it was pretty much what was to be expected out of the tigers. They handled Owatonna pretty good, had a tough time with the big studs from New Prague, and were fatigued as expected against New Ulm while still beating them.

The Tigers, in my eyes, were pretty even with both West and Mayo.

Look for Albert Lea to improve over the season and they will be, as always, right in the hunt at the end.
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Post by barmeow29 »

up in blake yesterday lourdes played fairbo i think they might have played blake and one other team
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Post by GopherPuck15 »

golfreak wrote:Albert Lea scrimmaged Owatonna, New Prague, and New Ulm Friday night as well as Mankato West and Rochester Mayo on Saturday morning.

All in all I think it was pretty much what was to be expected out of the tigers. They handled Owatonna pretty good, had a tough time with the big studs from New Prague, and were fatigued as expected against New Ulm while still beating them.

The Tigers, in my eyes, were pretty even with both West and Mayo.

Look for Albert Lea to improve over the season and they will be, as always, right in the hunt at the end.
How did Mankato West and Mayo fair/look in those scrimmages?
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Blake Scrimmages

Post by universaldegreaser »

Faribo tied Lourdes, lost to Blake by 1, and they played rogers and lost by plenty.
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Post by HShockey2180 »

West beat Mayo 2-1, but I think it could have gone either way, pretty even game
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rogers -3 - fairbo- 0
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HShockey2180 wrote:West beat Mayo 2-1, but I think it could have gone either way, pretty even game
Not sure what lines West played but Mayo sat most of their first two lines for this game. They were rotating lines 3 - 5 all but about 15 mins of the game. Mayo had to cut something like 5 -7 players. Therefore, not a good gauge on how good Mayo really would look during a game against West. In addition, to their lines Mayo rotated their two varisty goalies and most goals where scored against their back up golie, not against Jordan Yaggy. The Mayo/Albert Lea was what I expected to see: pretty chippy of a game and a preview of what is to come during the season. Mayo played lines 1 and 2 more during this game but still not as much as they would if it was a season game. Mayo won 4 - 3.
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Post by GopherPuck15 »

Visa wrote:
HShockey2180 wrote:West beat Mayo 2-1, but I think it could have gone either way, pretty even game
Not sure what lines West played but Mayo sat most of their first two lines for this game. They were rotating lines 3 - 5 all but about 15 mins of the game. Mayo had to cut something like 5 -7 players. Therefore, not a good gauge on how good Mayo really would look during a game against West. In addition, to their lines Mayo rotated their two varisty goalies and most goals where scored against their back up golie, not against Jordan Yaggy. The Mayo/Albert Lea was what I expected to see: pretty chippy of a game and a preview of what is to come during the season. Mayo played lines 1 and 2 more during this game but still not as much as they would if it was a season game. Mayo won 4 - 3.
Well obviously most teams during scrimmages will not play the lines they would during a normal game, and I'm sure many teams have to cut players, or at the least players are trying to earn their spots on varsity. And remember, West is without whoever plays on their football team as well, so that could impact it as well.
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Post by GDM129 »

Century lost to Hill 2-1
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Post by HShockey2180 »

Visa wrote:
HShockey2180 wrote:West beat Mayo 2-1, but I think it could have gone either way, pretty even game
Not sure what lines West played but Mayo sat most of their first two lines for this game. They were rotating lines 3 - 5 all but about 15 mins of the game. Mayo had to cut something like 5 -7 players. Therefore, not a good gauge on how good Mayo really would look during a game against West. In addition, to their lines Mayo rotated their two varisty goalies and most goals where scored against their back up golie, not against Jordan Yaggy. The Mayo/Albert Lea was what I expected to see: pretty chippy of a game and a preview of what is to come during the season. Mayo played lines 1 and 2 more during this game but still not as much as they would if it was a season game. Mayo won 4 - 3.
Yes Mayo hardly played their first two lines, but only two kids who played in that varsity scrimmage ended up getting cut, the rest were newcomers on jv who got cut. And Mayo rotated their three goalies in the two games, but in the game against west, both goals were scored against yaggy, nothing against him though since they were both deflected and there was nothing he could do about them. In the game against AL the score was actually 5-4 Mayo, Chris Goslee scored with about a minute left to take the lead.
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