SEC 2008-2009

[chickendance]

WBL looked very good down the stretch last year. Melvin did a nice job of listing the talent. They are situated very well going into the winter.

As always, this conference is going to be very tough. Should be fun to watch.

[Bensonmum]

Yes my comment was related to Stillwater.

This thread was about the SEC predictions for the coming year. Keep it in context. These are not "dig's" they are in the context of who wins the section and why some are positioned better than others, IMO. Seemed fairly straight forward to me.

My Bad....

[hockeywild7]

Stillwater should have 3 extremely deep lines with young D but top tender in SEC.

Rosevilles defense top in conf. and 1st line should be solid but do they have the depth up front and goaltending to be as consistent as in the past.

WBL-solid defense and scoring coming back but will goaltending be good enough to keep them in games consistently.

Hastings-solid scoring returns at forward but not sure about D and goaltending.

Mounds View-Returns decent scoring and should be better defensively

Cretin-Hard to replace all that they lost in one year.

Forest Lake-loss of goalie and top scorer will hurt them. not sure they have enough depth to contend.

Park-Might be another couple years for young players to develop

Woodbury-another great goalie lost to graduation, not sure they can replace what she did defensively for them.

[Hansonbrother]

Stillwater should have 3 extremely deep lines with young D but top tender in SEC.

Rosevilles defense top in conf. and 1st line should be solid but do they have the depth up front and goaltending to be as consistent as in the past.
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I tell you what, I think a lot of people are underestimating how good Roseville's goaltending is. I would put Allen up against Sobczak anytime. Allen was an 8th grader last year that was hurt part of the season. She played hurt against some of the best teams in the state last year and still had a GAA of less than 2.
Besides that, she is an extremely focused kid. She is only going to get better. If she's not an NDP player in the next couple of years, something will have gone terribly wrong

[hockeywild7]

I am not underestimating rosevilles ability in the net, just dont think it is as strong as stillwaters. Either way, these two teams are going to have another close battle for the conference and section.

[ron123]

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(I tell you what, I think a lot of people are underestimating how good Roseville's goaltending is. I would put Allen up against Sobczak anytime. Allen was an 8th grader last year that was hurt part of the season. She played hurt against some of the best teams in the state last year and still had a GAA of less than 2.
Besides that, she is an extremely focused kid. She is only going to get better. If she's not an NDP player in the next couple of years, something will have gone terribly wrong.)
Thank you for the kind words about my Grandaughter. I might add she was in goal for a 3-1 win over Grand Rapids and also was in goal when Roseville handed Eden Prairie their only loss of the year. She certainly is a very focused young lady. Just one question -What does NDP mean?

[joehockey]

It means National Development Program. Her HS coach Brodt will have the information but it is based on birth year.

She would need to be nominated and go through the MN Hockey Phase tryouts - if she is the top goalie in her age group in MN she goes to a one week National Camp - she has three years to go. It is based on birth year last summer the U15 were the birth year 1993, U16-1992 and U17 - 1991. Next year it will be U15-'94, U16-'93, U17-'92.

There are a couple of threads on the Forum about U15 Select or the New and Improved NDP Process.

Good luck to her sounds like she has already been fire tested!!

[Bensonmum]

From the scores thread:

TARTAN BEAT WOODBURY 1-0!
it was an exciting game!
Tartan played amazing! especially Kaitlyn Rolando! she had a 47 shot shut out!

I always like to see 'building' programs finally get over the hump and be able to compete. Two years ago Tartan was so far behind it painful. I don't know for sure, but could this be the first SEC win for them in the last 3 years?
Especially considering Woodbury has won some games and looked pretty good, this is good news for Tartan and the SEC in general. It's not hard to imagine they might pick up a few more wins as the seaon progresses.

[hockeyheaven]

Agree...nice win for Tartan, however they are not an SEC team only Woodbury is.

[hockeywild7]

Tartan is in the Classic Suburban Conference

[Bensonmum]

Deep down I knew that--was I remembering them 'play' Roseville 2 and 3 years ago or just confusing the Section 4/SEC again? Never mind. Apologies to the Tartan folks. They should definitely pick up a win or 2 in the Classic.

[brookyone]

Keeping tabs on the SEC:

http://preps.startribune.com/conference ... 10&conf=19

[brookyone]

SEC update:

http://www.minnesotasportsonline.com/co ... 10&conf=19

Coming up, Stillwater at WBL...big game. Roseville tangles with Edina. Some exciting match-ups ahead in holiday tournament action as well. The opener in the Abra Invitational has Stillwater and Hopkins battling.

[brookyone]

Bump

http://www.minnesotasportsonline.com/co ... 10&conf=19

Clash of the titans directly ahead...SEC lead hangs in the balance.

[Bensonmum]

So the first half of the conference schedule comes to a symbolic, if not literal end last night as Roseville claims first place from SW and CDH inherits a share of last at the hands of Park.
Maybe a SW fan can fill me in. Where is all this offense coming from? This is the 2nd time I've seen the Ponies (also the H-M game) and I haven't seen a hint of the dynamic offense that is scoring 7-9 goals per game vs. the other SEC teams. Are other SEC teams imtimidated by the physical play and laying down to SW? What's going on? Woodbury and WBL and even MV and FL played Roseville very tough--then they seem to lay down like dogs vs. SW. Am I wrong about this?

[hockeywild7]

I don't think teams are laying down for anyone. There are always alot of variables and some teams match up differently. There is no one simple answer. Stillwater does have alot of girls who can score, maybe you should give more credit to the teams that haven't allowed them to score alot. No team in the state is capable of beating everyone 7-0 every night. Hopkins showed this also.

[livin' in the 651]

"Woodbury and WBL and even MV and FL played Roseville very tough--then they seem to lay down like dogs vs. SW. Am I wrong about this" - Bensonmum

In the MV-SW game it was 2-2 after 2 periods and in the MV-RV game it was 2-1 early in the third. In both instances MV took too many penalties and the game got away from them in the third. No dogs laying down. If, and it's a big IF, MV can stay out of the box on Saturday vs. SW look for an upset.

[joehockey]

Does any of this have to do with SOS?

SOS RANK -- SOS AVG -- TEAM -- OA RANK -- RATING -- CL -- RECORD
1 19.667 Edina 15 102.641 AA 5-5-2
2 25.75 Minnetonka 12 116.096 AA 7-4-1
3 27.545 Grand Rapids/Greenway 7 251.268 AA 8-2-1
4 28 Blaine 25 54.676 AA 5-4-3
5 32.667 Andover 43 19.417 AA 4-8-3
6 33.6 Anoka 46 18.019 AA 5-9-1
7 33.857 Cloquet/Esko/Carlton 24 57.823 AA 8-6-0
8 35.231 Centennial 9 146.89 AA 9-2-2
9 35.933 Maple Grove 16 92.406 AA 11-4-0
10 36.286 White Bear Lake 14 109.272 AA 9-4-1
11 38.286 Coon Rapids 42 20.56 AA 5-7-2
12 38.615 Wayzata 44 19.336 AA 5-7-1
13 40.462 North Metro 37 24.298 AA 5-5-3
14 40.636 Warroad 4 397.128 A 10-1-0
15 40.7 Hill-Murray 6 285.81 AA 8-2-0
16 40.923 Holy Angels 34 30.751 AA 7-6-0
17 41.5 Lake of the Woods 106 1.203 A 0-6-0
T-18 41.545 Roseau 8 158.384 A 9-2-0
T-18 41.545 Hibbing/Chisholm 66 9.612 A 3-7-1
20 41.636 Hopkins 1 1769.658 AA 11-0-0
21 41.818 Stillwater Area 5 327.376 AA 10-1-0
22 41.846 Roseville 3 408.879 AA 11-1-1
23 41.857 Mounds View 22 65.678 AA 9-4-1
24 43.769 Elk River/Zimmerman 48 17.231 AA 6-7-0
25 43.917 Bemidji 17 91.065 AA 9-3-0
26 45.154 North St. Paul 45 18.376 AA 6-7-0
27 45.538 Cretin-Derham Hall 74 7.121 AA 4-9-0
28 47 Hastings 61 11.438 AA 4-7-3
29 48 Forest Lake 56 12.934 AA 5-7-1
30 48.167 Chaska 55 12.994 AA 5-7-0
31 48.833 International Falls 82 4.469 A 1-4-1
32 48.846 Park of Cottage Grove 90 2.973 AA 2-10-1
33 48.889 Eden Prairie 54 14.233 AA 4-5-0
34 49.364 Eagan 18 84.437 AA 9-2-0
35 50 Shakopee 36 24.919 AA 7-5-1
36 50.182 Benilde-St. Margaret's 28 44.519 AA 6-3-2
37 50.5 Moorhead 47 17.482 AA 5-5-0
38 51.167 Champlin Park 29 40.918 AA 8-4-0
39 51.364 Chisago Lakes Area 108 1.172 A 1-10-0
40 51.769 Burnsville 41 20.735 AA 6-5-2
T-41 53.083 Breck 13 113.863 A 9-3-0
T-41 53.083 Eastview 20 70.135 AA 8-2-2
43 54 Spring Lake Park 87 3.582 AA 2-7-1
44 54.154 Woodbury 53 14.685 AA 6-6-1
45 55 Silver Bay/Two Harbors/Cook County 19 74.105 A 7-2-1
46 55.615 Buffalo 50 16.461 AA 7-6-0
47 55.8 Robbinsdale Armstrong 38 24.078 AA 9-6-0
48 56.125 Moose Lake Area 116 0.383 A 0-8-0
49 57.077 Bloomington Jefferson 95 2.576 AA 3-10-0
50 57.333 Fergus Falls 77 6.565 A 3-5-1
51 57.364 Proctor/Hermantown/Duluth Marshall 11 120.952 AA 10-1-0
52 57.909 Cambridge-Isanti/Mora 58 12.517 AA 5-5-1
53 58.214 Robbinsdale Cooper 110 1.023 AA 2-12-0
54 58.3 Holy Family Catholic/Waconia 121 0.211 A 0-10-0
55 58.417 Duluth Area 10 127.36 AA 9-1-2
56 58.667 Mahtomedi 102 1.875 A 1-9-2
57 59.833 St. Francis 99 2.235 AA 2-9-1
58 60 Crookston 30 35.859 A 6-3-0
59 60.364 Prior Lake 103 1.696 AA 2-9-0
60 60.818 Irondale 23 61.66 AA 9-2-0
61 61.333 Rogers 94 2.618 A 3-9-0
62 61.75 New Prague 91 2.945 A 3-8-1
63 62 East Grand Forks 65 9.647 A 5-5-0
64 62.091 St. Cloud Tech 83 4.311 AA 3-7-1
65 62.143 Albert Lea 119 0.251 A 0-7-0
66 62.5 Brainerd/Little Falls 62 10.17 AA 6-6-0
67 62.583 St. Paul Blades 111 0.641 AA 1-11-0
68 62.727 Blake 2 633.155 A 11-0-0
69 63.154 Rosemount 64 9.682 AA 6-6-1
T-70 63.364 Farmington 52 15.87 AA 6-4-1
T-70 63.364 Henry Sibley 60 11.475 A 6-5-0
72 63.462 Lakeville South 31 35.069 AA 9-3-1
73 63.5 Owatonna 51 16.243 AA 6-4-0
74 64.444 Alexandria 76 6.839 A 4-5-0
75 64.5 Lakeville North 32 34.419 AA 10-3-1
76 64.545 Rochester Mayo 35 28.205 AA 8-3-0
77 64.909 Richfield 93 2.802 A 3-7-1
78 65 Tartan 84 4.019 AA 4-7-0
79 65.308 Apple Valley 81 4.688 AA 4-7-2
80 65.889 Rochester John Marshall 101 1.938 AA 2-7-0
81 65.917 Thief River Falls 72 7.415 A 6-6-0
82 66 Visitation/SPA 80 4.714 A 4-6-1
83 66.182 Totino-Grace 79 5.711 A 5-6-0
84 67 Bloomington Kennedy 123 0.157 AA 0-13-0
85 68.833 Faribault 71 7.58 A 6-6-0
86 69.167 Princeton 100 2.207 A 3-8-1
87 70.143 Orono 40 22.866 A 10-4-0
88 70.417 Simley 105 1.418 A 2-9-1
89 70.455 Sartell/Sauk Rapids 78 6.151 AA 4-5-2
90 71.154 Mound-Westonka 26 50.314 A 11-2-0
91 71.667 Red Wing 69 8.294 A 6-5-1
92 71.667 Detroit Lakes 115 0.408 A 0-8-1
93 73.556 Austin 92 2.842 A 2-5-2
94 74 Rochester Century 118 0.307 AA 1-8-0
95 74.5 Hutchinson 49 17.033 A 7-3-0
96 76.417 Litchfield/D-C 112 0.571 A 2-10-0
97 77.1 River Lakes 68 8.93 AA 6-4-0
98 77.25 Willmar 96 2.529 A 4-8-0
99 77.429 North Wright County 21 66.349 AA 13-1-0
100 77.625 East Range 104 1.596 A 2-6-0
101 78 Park Rapids/Menahga/Nevis 89 3.182 A 4-6-0
102 78.545 Minneapolis 88 3.305 AA 4-6-1
103 78.786 Minnehaha 63 10.119 A 9-5-0
104 79.25 Luverne 109 1.121 A 2-6-0
105 79.273 Eveleth-Gilbert 59 12.095 A 7-3-1
106 79.455 St. Louis Park 67 9.612 A 7-4-0
107 79.545 St. Cloud Icebreakers 73 7.408 AA 6-4-1
108 80.167 Marshall 113 0.569 A 2-10-0
109 80.6 Mankato West 39 23.497 A 8-2-0
110 81.222 Waseca 124 0.09 A 0-9-0
111 81.4 New Ulm 57 12.807 A 7-3-0
112 82.375 Dodge County 75 6.952 AA 5-3-0
113 83.636 Northfield 27 44.605 A 10-1-0
114 83.857 Winona 98 2.511 AA 3-4-0
115 87.5 Pequot Lakes 107 1.196 A 1-3-0
116 88.2 Worthington 120 0.222 A 0-5-0
117 88.5 L-H/St. Peter/Montgomery 97 2.52 A 5-5-0
118 89.273 South St. Paul 33 31.189 A 10-1-0
119 92.111 Long Prairie-Grey Eagle/Wadena-Deer Creek 117 0.331 A 1-7-1
120 92.909 Mankato East 114 0.554 A 3-8-0
121 95 Morris/Benson Area 85 3.672 A 6-4-0
122 98.667 Redwood Valley 122 0.165 A 0-3-0
123 104.667 Fairmont 86 3.621 A 2-1-0
124 107 Windom Area 70 7.853 A 6-1-0

[Bensonmum]

Oh good. Another big table with lots of numbers.
That and $1.50 will get you a cup of coffee.

In the MV-SW game it was 2-2 after 2 periods and in the MV-RV game it was 2-1 early in the third. In both instances MV took too many penalties and the game got away from them in the third. No dogs laying down. If, and it's a big IF, MV can stay out of the box on Saturday vs. SW look for an upset.

Cool

[brookyone]

Does any of this have to do with SOS?

I personally think, to a large extent, you can throw out any mathematical calculations and what those calculations might indicate when it's Roseville and Stillwater head to head. At least for several consecutive seasons now. I'll admit, I haven't been paying attention...Maybe they've been as close in SOS as their H2H game scores would indicate too.

Stillwater can score...shutting them down is a big part of what an opponent needs to do to beat them. I always admire the Raiders game when I watch these two SEC teams play. They are successful IMO, because they always play a solid team game...and flat out execute on the ice...well coached, you can tell. That and they always have some skilled players filling the skates...obviously.

If I can ponder outside the SEC topic for a moment...I think Stillwater may have lost their chances for a top seed in the section. That may not be all that significant. Think CDH last season. Though with two tough consecutive losses...it's a gut check time for Stillwater. Focus on nothing except the next opponent and your own game.

The Ponies might be angry for that MV game ahead...they should be.

[hockeyheaven]

This is when I usually comment on how this is typical Ponies hockey. Alot of great individual talent that has a hard time playing as a team, especially when they don’t have early success. But the team that I have been watching of late is a little different (like two years ago). Moving the puck, passing, cycling…dominating. Especially the Eder Zdechlik/Cartony/Salmen line. A thing of beauty eh. So this game does surprise me a little. But then again it’s the classic offense vs. defense show down. Stillwater with their three scoring lines against Roseville’s solid and deep defensive unit. (You know… the unstopping force against the immovable object). Nah, I think the Raiders were still pissed off about how the Ponies cheered on CDH in last years semi final Section game... that’s all.

[goalzilla]

Typical Stillwater Roseville game. Defense won and lost the game. Stillwater has a young defense and I would guess by playoff time they will be more seasoned and much improved. A lot of hockey left, however looking forward to seeing the next game between these 2 teams.

[joehockey]

What were shots for the game this is only thing I have seen......

"Stillwater goaltender Marah Sobczak made 41 saves in the loss, while her Roseville counterpart, Erika Allen logged 23 stops for the win." http://www.vype.com/general/5923

[hockeyrube7]

Nah, I think the Raiders were still pissed off about how the Ponies cheered on CDH in last years semi final Section game... that’s all.

May be one of the truest and best lines in a while.

[Hansonbrother]

Nah, I think the Raiders were still pissed off about how the Ponies cheered on CDH in last years semi final Section game... that’s all.

May be one of the truest and best lines in a while.

I heard from a very close source that, that, and the cover story on Vype magazine were 2 huge motivators in Roseville coming ready for Stillwater. And after reading the Star Trib, I can only assume Blake and Warroad would love a chance to play Stillwater, as it seems Coach Scheid has very little respect for Single A hockey teams.