USAH to change registration dates.

elliott70 · Post by **elliott70** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 9:28 am

USAH will vote teh weekend of Jan 17 to change the registratin dates to May 1 through April 30.

MN Hockey delegates are taking input on the subject now.

If you have an opinion emamil Mike Snee, Dennis Green or any ofhte other 3 or4 delegates.

observer · Post by **observer** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 9:30 am

What does that mean? What does it mean to us in MN Hockey?

puckfan · Post by **puckfan** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 9:41 am

Is that a change to the current July 1st to June 30th date?

O-townClown · Post by **O-townClown** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 9:46 am

puckfan wrote:Is that a change to the current July 1st to June 30th date?

Isn't the season actually Sept. 1 through Aug. 31?

I guess the difference would be that some "summer hockey" would fall into "next year" instead of being the end of "this season".

puckfan · Post by **puckfan** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 9:54 am

Not the season dates, the registration dates.

Currently the cut off for mite/squirts squirts/peewee's etc is July 1st in MN

DMom · Post by **DMom** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 10:19 am

Insurance would expire sooner and not cover the summer. Or it would but for your next year's team which you aren't generally registered for yet in Minnesota.

TerryMoore · Post by **TerryMoore** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 10:26 am

Using a May 1 cut off date strikes me as arbitrary. It does not tie to school grades, like July 1 does . It does not tie to the calender year. It does not tie to the draft day cutoff, which is September.

What is the logic behind making such a change?

observer · Post by **observer** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 10:34 am

Let's wait for a response regarding how this affects us. I'll guess it's just registration and won't have much if any effect on anything. I don't think it will have anything to do with the level kids play at and the June 31 cutoff for level of play.

Garth · Post by **Garth** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 11:07 am

http://www.usahockey.com/uploadedFiles/ ... 20memo.pdf

Here is a link to the proposal. Its doesn't look like any change to the birthdate guidelines.

elliott70 · Post by **elliott70** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 11:07 am

I just received the email this morning and have only read it once.

I have no answeers at this time, but my belief is that it will have little impact on MH, unless a move to change to these dates comes about.

I will let you know if I learn anything.

contact Mike Snee at minnesotahockey.org

puckfan · Post by **puckfan** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 11:17 am

Here is a link to the proposal. Its doesn't look like any change to the birthdate guidelines.

Thanks for the link Garth, from what I understand from reading this, it will have no effect on the "birthdate cutoff".

O-townClown · Post by **O-townClown** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 11:49 am

puckfan wrote:Not the season dates, the registration dates.

Currently the cut off for mite/squirts squirts/peewee's etc is July 1st in MN

I'm a little confused on the season vs. registration date thing myself, since this year some games were played in late August, just a few days before the September 1st cut. (Probably not in Minnesota where the season starts later.)

My understanding is that players and coaches register from September 1st through August 31st. My participant's card reads Good through: 8-31-2009.

I don't see what registration dates would have to do with Minnesota's cutoff of July 1st or USA Hockey's calendar year cut.

O-townClown · Post by **O-townClown** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 11:53 am

TerryMoore wrote:Using a May 1 cut off date strikes me as arbitrary. It does not tie to school grades, like July 1 does . It does not tie to the calender year. It does not tie to the draft day cutoff, which is September.

What is the logic behind making such a change?

Currently spring and summer hockey is a continuation of the 'normal' (your definition may vary) season. It would make summer hockey a 'prequel' to the season. The logic is that it doesn't make sense for 'season' games to be played in August when there is a September 1st cut, as was the case this year. (Labor Day fell early.)

Your first paragraph seems to be talking about player ages, which has little or nothing to do with registration periods.

My question is this: Since the 'next' (whenever this becomes live) season is just 8 or 9 months, will I have to pay the same $38 ($30 U.S. and $8 SAHOF)? I think I should get a break.

O-townClown · Post by **O-townClown** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 11:59 am

Just read the proposal. Hard to imagine it not passing.

goldy313 · Post by **goldy313** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 9:57 pm

USA Hockey running out of money this summer and need an infusion of cash?

Wouldn't this cause an undo headache for local associations who normally collect the USA Hockey fee during fall registration? Now you need to figure out who paid and who didn't in the spring also summer camps that require a USA Hockey card are going to be in charge of collecting that money, not 1 single orginization. Cripes we have enough trouble having people find birth certificates I can only imagine them trying to find a tiny hockey card

jancze5 · Post by **jancze5** » Thu Jan 08, 2009 7:18 am

I think this has nothing to do with Minnesota and everything to do with the rest of the country and AAA-AA hockey.

It's relatively known factor that MANY AAA programs have tryouts the second week of April for the following year. (the week after Nationals)

These teams are at a 90% solution for rosters, usually carrying another 10 kids at guest skaters through the summer season, to determine their fit for a roster spot. Some of these teams play a tournament in May, one in June, July, August, etc..There are teams that have played 30 tournament games together by the time the 1st of Sep rolls around.

Tier 2 programs usually have tryouts wrapped up in late July so they can get a month of ice in August, play an August tourney and early Sep before their season really starts rolling. I have friends back in DC that have said the Tier 2 tryouts at some programs are getting scheduled this year the same days as the AAA tryouts, forcing kids to make a decision right up front.

Using this as a logical pathway, it would seem USA Hockey has adjusted to what's happening.

IMHO · Post by **IMHO** » Thu Jan 08, 2009 9:06 am

Sorry, IMHO this is silly. The number of net/new people/kids/camps using this May 1 reg. would be VERY low as opposed to players coming off a season that would already be registered. And to someone's point, now a 3rd party organization running the camp will be responsible for registering the new kid vs the home association? This sounds like a mess for a minimal net gain.

Everything for the overwhelming large percentage of membership starts around that September timeframe. The number of camps/kids that would make use of or even need this May 1 registration would be very small vs the number of kids that would be dropped off prematurely in the spring. IMHO, unless you're looking for a way to dump kids early, leave it as is.

frederick61 · Post by **frederick61** » Thu Jan 08, 2009 3:15 pm

Does anybody know what that does with Canadian teams? Are they changing their seasons also?

IMHO · Post by **IMHO** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 8:10 am

frederick61 wrote:Does anybody know what that does with Canadian teams? Are they changing their seasons also?

I'm sure it's still birth year.

O-townClown · Post by **O-townClown** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 10:40 am

IMHO wrote:
frederick61 wrote:Does anybody know what that does with Canadian teams? Are they changing their seasons also?
I'm sure it's still birth year.

No. Their season straddles the calendar too. I don't know what day it is, but it isn't January 1st. Might be September 1st like the U.S. I'll try looking it up on their site.

O-townClown · Post by **O-townClown** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 10:55 am

I can't tell. There are references to a lot of dates. I suspect Sept. 1. It definitely isn't calendar year as every season is listed as 06-07 or 08-09.

www.hockeycanada.ca

Maybe someone else can find it. I don't think it matters. I've read the USA Hockey recommendation and it seems like a done deal. It won't have much effect.

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