goin down on thursday, 7:30 at cretins home.
whos going to take this one? two pretty evenly matched teams that have been up and down all year.
should be a good game
WBL vs CDH
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I don't think its necessarily them playing too much individually. I think some people, IMO, are almost making more out of the Bear's season than what it really is. They just aren't as good as they were the past couple of years. Period. I'm not saying they have no talent at all, they definitely have some solid players, it's just not quite the same White Bear team as in the past. Even top programs have down years.E wrote:im thinkin that white bear will get there stuff together and start playing as a team and not individuals...and they will start playing better hockey in the next couple weeks
im takin wb 4-1
I'm not calling them a bottom of the pack team, but they're just not what you usually think of when you think of White Bear Lake hockey. Inconsisent? Yes. A top ten team? No. I think some White Bear fans just can't quite get past that maybe. Down year or not, with Hill's loss of 4 players the Bears could make a run at section champs. But they will have to step up their game plenty.
Just my view on the whole thing...
P.S. White Bear - 3
Cretin - 2
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StateofHockeyFan
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I always knew the WBL program was going to go on a downward slide. I just didn't think it would start this year!Minn State of Mind wrote:I don't think its necessarily them playing too much individually. I think some people, IMO, are almost making more out of the Bear's season than what it really is. They just aren't as good as they were the past couple of years. Period. I'm not saying they have no talent at all, they definitely have some solid players, it's just not quite the same White Bear team as in the past. Even top programs have down years.E wrote:im thinkin that white bear will get there stuff together and start playing as a team and not individuals...and they will start playing better hockey in the next couple weeks
im takin wb 4-1
I'm not calling them a bottom of the pack team, but they're just not what you usually think of when you think of White Bear Lake hockey. Inconsisent? Yes. A top ten team? No. I think some White Bear fans just can't quite get past that maybe. Down year or not, with Hill's loss of 4 players the Bears could make a run at section champs. But they will have to step up their game plenty.
Just my view on the whole thing...
P.S. White Bear - 3
Cretin - 2
Looking back... when this Senior class was Sophomore's they won the JV Schwan Gold Cup and were told they had the best JV record in WBL history. Two or three of the Seniors played varsity as Sophomores and ONLY three others remain from that JV squad.
The real question is...Where are they now? Some got cut, some quit hockey and some would rather play JVG. Is it hockey burn out, coaching, or just an aboration?
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Wow, a lot of different ways to take this thread, though Im going to disagree with the last post. I think taking a group of JV kids, and winning the schwans cup two years ago, and then many of those same kids not performing now as seniors says a lot about this program.
Sam Swanson, Chad Lowell, Mike Slator and Hoffman all were key contributions to that JV team a couple years back. Now, I know enough about hockey to know that JV sure isnt varsity... But if you look at the history of their JV/Varsity program, some of their best seniors in the past played a stint on the JV... Names like Justin Braun (U-Mass) Matt Hartmann (Bemidji State) Pete Majkozak and countless others Im sure that I have forgotten. Seems that in the past the Varsity has been stacked with talent which forced some of the better underclassmand to do some time on the JV. That just isnt the case now, and does not bode well for the bear program! So, personally for me.. I think the JV is reflection of where the program is going. Maybe not every year... but if you look at WBL history... they have been forced to keep good hockey players on the JV because the varsity was typically stacked!
Sam Swanson, Chad Lowell, Mike Slator and Hoffman all were key contributions to that JV team a couple years back. Now, I know enough about hockey to know that JV sure isnt varsity... But if you look at the history of their JV/Varsity program, some of their best seniors in the past played a stint on the JV... Names like Justin Braun (U-Mass) Matt Hartmann (Bemidji State) Pete Majkozak and countless others Im sure that I have forgotten. Seems that in the past the Varsity has been stacked with talent which forced some of the better underclassmand to do some time on the JV. That just isnt the case now, and does not bode well for the bear program! So, personally for me.. I think the JV is reflection of where the program is going. Maybe not every year... but if you look at WBL history... they have been forced to keep good hockey players on the JV because the varsity was typically stacked!
Your right, those four were key contributors on the JV and Swanson, Lowell, and Hoffman were all key contributors on the varsity last year. Swanson was All Conference, and Lowell and Hoffman were All Conference H-M last year. I know Hoffman did not play last week and won't this week due to an injury he's had all year. My question is, what happened to their supporting cast that they had two years ago? Why did they quit hockey, or decide to play JG.PuckPatrol wrote:Wow, a lot of different ways to take this thread, though Im going to disagree with the last post. I think taking a group of JV kids, and winning the schwans cup two years ago, and then many of those same kids not performing now as seniors says a lot about this program.
Sam Swanson, Chad Lowell, Mike Slator and Hoffman all were key contributions to that JV team a couple years back. Now, I know enough about hockey to know that JV sure isnt varsity... But if you look at the history of their JV/Varsity program, some of their best seniors in the past played a stint on the JV... Names like Justin Braun (U-Mass) Matt Hartmann (Bemidji State) Pete Majkozak and countless others Im sure that I have forgotten. Seems that in the past the Varsity has been stacked with talent which forced some of the better underclassmand to do some time on the JV. That just isnt the case now, and does not bode well for the bear program! So, personally for me.. I think the JV is reflection of where the program is going. Maybe not every year... but if you look at WBL history... they have been forced to keep good hockey players on the JV because the varsity was typically stacked!
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I agree with the majority that this is a down year for the Bears. In years past, there are usually a few players that really stand out from each Bears team. From L.Malark, J.Anderson to M.Greer C.Parentaeu to J.Braun, P.Makozak to D.Grun, Z.Hansen, and J.Hansen. But this team just doesn't seem to have that. Also, the thing that stands out alot to me is the goaltending and defense. The Bear's have always prided themselves on solid D and good all around team play. O. Collette really hasn't impressed me as much as I hoped as a solid goaltender, and this team just doesn't seem to play great defense like years past. Especially in there own zone. I know they have some injuries, but does this have alot to do with the coaching? Or is this just a rare down year for the Bears? I still expect to come on strong at the end of the year, and be there in the section championship against Hill. But if they miss out on state again this year, that'll be 4 straight years without a state appearance. I just hope the Bears get back on track soon!
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Based on the way the bears have been playing this season, I sure would not assume they will be in the section finals... Just way to inconsistant to predict that! I know that in the past few years, not sure how many, that Ben Butters was coaching the D. I heard he is now coaching the JV and Nitti moved to the D coach.... not sure if that makes a differece or not. Im sure the coaching staff is as or even more frustrated than the fans. They desperetaly needed the win last night.
The Bears played well, especially on defense. Collette was very good. The officiating seemed quite one-sided to me, with the refs giving CDH two 5 on 3 power plays, while several obvious CDH infractions went uncalled. But, I am biased. Did anyone else think the officiating was poor?
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I was thinking the same thing as the game played out. The officials this year are brutal. Yes they missed a couple that could have been checking from behind or boarding. They also missed WBL playing with 6 guys for about 10-15 seconds and what is with the play where Alt bats the puck out of the air with his stick about three feet above his head to keep the play in the offensive zone. I looked at the old guy sitting next to me and asked if I missed something. He laughed and said its been that way all year.MedleyWR wrote:The Bears played well, especially on defense. Collette was very good. The officiating seemed quite one-sided to me, with the refs giving CDH two 5 on 3 power plays, while several obvious CDH infractions went uncalled. But, I am biased. Did anyone else think the officiating was poor?
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Well come section time. They'll probably be a 2 or 3 seed, and I don't see either Stillwater, Roseville, or possibly Tartan beating them in the semis. (Even though they lost to both Stillwater and Roseville this season) I think the Bears have a better overall squad when completely healthy, than all three of those teams.
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Quite the character test for White Bear Lake, hopefully this can get some momentum going for them to carry them through seasons end. Collette made some phenomenal saves, by far his best game of the year. Good hard fought win for the Bears, killing off two 5 on 3's and battling a period and a half without one of their best forwards in Lowell. It'll be a tough game for them against Duluth East without him.
Did anyone see the game misconduct buttending penalty against him? I didn't see it, was it a legit call?
Did anyone see the game misconduct buttending penalty against him? I didn't see it, was it a legit call?
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When I mentioned that the officiating seemed one-sided to me, this call was one of the things that came to mind. I was watching carefully, but never saw Lowell do anything. There was already one Bear in the box. Then they put Lowell in the box and put 2 minutes on the scoreboard. After conferences with both benches and some delay, the 2 minute was changed to 5, and Lowell left the ice. Also, Lowell is now out for the Duluth East game. Maybe I didn't see the Lowell penalty, but I certainly saw several infractions on CDH that weren't called including tripping, cross checking, checking from behind, slashing, holding and interference. This was by no means a "dirty" game, but it's amazing that the Bears spent so much time in the box and CDH spent so little. Once I see the game score sheet, I may have better recall of the penalties, but for now my sense remains that the officiating was one-sidedsicknasty7722 wrote:Did anyone see the game misconduct buttending penalty against him? I didn't see it, was it a legit call?
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WBL v. CDH officiaiting
I agree. It was one the worst officiated high school games I've seen. Two or three obvious offside calls were missed along with the missed penalties mentioned elsewhere in this thread. At least half a dozen penalties were missed, some very obvious.MedleyWR wrote:The Bears played well, especially on defense. Collette was very good. The officiating seemed quite one-sided to me, with the refs giving CDH two 5 on 3 power plays, while several obvious CDH infractions went uncalled. But, I am biased. Did anyone else think the officiating was poor?
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[. O. Collette really hasn't impressed me as much as I hoped as a solid goaltender, and this team just doesn't seem to play great defense like years past.
Folks, as I will reiterate - my role as viewing goal tenders isn't evaluation, but information gathering, and I have seen Collette play twice this year. Hill and AHA. I wasn't evaluating him, as I usually follow underclassman, but, as I have stated on other threads, it's forums like these which DO help area scouts in maybe reading names we haven't necessarily uncovered yet, so, I consistently read all the posts about matchups.
My point is that I probably have read close to all the posts on WBL, since this team seems to dominate a majority of space.
First of all, enough of the criticsm on Owen Collette. #1. He's a HS athlete and as scouts, we have issues when people unfairly attack student/athletes. #2) With Mr. Collette being a 3rd-year starter, it's natural for everyone to annoint him as the key to success.
Of the two games I have seen, I have witnessed one "average" quality goal scored on him and that was against Hill. However, for those of you who truly know the game of hockey, should understand that, sometimes, give credit to the shooter for using the defenseman as a screen to disguise the release, and factor in that studies indicate it takes about 1 second for a shot traveling 80 mph about that distance, and the brain to send the signal to the part of the body that needs to move that body part is half that... and factor in the goalie is wearing equipment that has bulk to it, my response is..... WHY DON'T YOU TRY IT???
As this post I am quoting indicates that points out issues with the defense, please keep in mind that there are 5 men who have responsibilities in front of Collette to do their jobs. Well... in reading many of WBL posts, it seems like it's usually only 4 men on the ice, due to penalties. With that said, of the 8, 9 goals I saw Collette give up between Hill and AHA, poor defensive play with turnovers in front of him, questionable penalty kill strategy, and inexperience at that varsity level, we like to use the term "hang 'em out to dry."
Collette has had excellent outside training, because he is as technically gifted as any Minnesota goal tender there is this year. His transition(movement in relation to puck) and save selections are outstanding.
When we correlate "quality of goal scored" on paper, we also make notations of "what could have been done differently".... and I use the code : B8FT.... which means, the only way he could have saved that shot is if he was 8 feet tall. In Mr. Collette's case, his only issue he has a goal tender is that he's not as tall as many of the elite programs would like or covet.
Folks, as I will reiterate - my role as viewing goal tenders isn't evaluation, but information gathering, and I have seen Collette play twice this year. Hill and AHA. I wasn't evaluating him, as I usually follow underclassman, but, as I have stated on other threads, it's forums like these which DO help area scouts in maybe reading names we haven't necessarily uncovered yet, so, I consistently read all the posts about matchups.
My point is that I probably have read close to all the posts on WBL, since this team seems to dominate a majority of space.
First of all, enough of the criticsm on Owen Collette. #1. He's a HS athlete and as scouts, we have issues when people unfairly attack student/athletes. #2) With Mr. Collette being a 3rd-year starter, it's natural for everyone to annoint him as the key to success.
Of the two games I have seen, I have witnessed one "average" quality goal scored on him and that was against Hill. However, for those of you who truly know the game of hockey, should understand that, sometimes, give credit to the shooter for using the defenseman as a screen to disguise the release, and factor in that studies indicate it takes about 1 second for a shot traveling 80 mph about that distance, and the brain to send the signal to the part of the body that needs to move that body part is half that... and factor in the goalie is wearing equipment that has bulk to it, my response is..... WHY DON'T YOU TRY IT???
As this post I am quoting indicates that points out issues with the defense, please keep in mind that there are 5 men who have responsibilities in front of Collette to do their jobs. Well... in reading many of WBL posts, it seems like it's usually only 4 men on the ice, due to penalties. With that said, of the 8, 9 goals I saw Collette give up between Hill and AHA, poor defensive play with turnovers in front of him, questionable penalty kill strategy, and inexperience at that varsity level, we like to use the term "hang 'em out to dry."
Collette has had excellent outside training, because he is as technically gifted as any Minnesota goal tender there is this year. His transition(movement in relation to puck) and save selections are outstanding.
When we correlate "quality of goal scored" on paper, we also make notations of "what could have been done differently".... and I use the code : B8FT.... which means, the only way he could have saved that shot is if he was 8 feet tall. In Mr. Collette's case, his only issue he has a goal tender is that he's not as tall as many of the elite programs would like or covet.
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Well I've seem him play alot more than two games, and I've never cut him down saying he was a poor goaltender. I'm a Bear's fan, and I want to see all those players succeed at a high level. I've just been hearing for two years now how good this kid is, and I have to disagree with that. Alot of goals he gives up are due to too the large amount of rebounds, and poor angles he takes at times. Just because he has been trained well outside of the rink, doesn't mean it'll translate into amazing success on the ice. I respect that you're a highschool scout, and you probably know the game even better than myself. But I can see the difference between an "average" hockey player, and a "good" hockey player.