Duluth East vs White Bear Lake @ Xcel Saturday Jan. 17th FSN
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Well it if the WBL player didn't grab Lutzka's stick and fall on top of him making it look like Lutzka did it we wouldn't be even talking about this now would we?wbhockey02 wrote:man did White Bear get screwed on that play I'm not saying that they would've won, but it definitiely could have been a whole different game. God I hate dumb refs
I am going to love seeing all these WBL guys eating their humble pie after saying how good WBL is.
And by the way, dont even try to post that "WBL isnt even good" or "They didnt show up today" garbage. They showed up to play today, and got owned. End of story.
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wbhockey02 wrote:man did White Bear get screwed on that play I'm not saying that they would've won, but it definitiely could have been a whole different game. God I hate dumb refs
yea there was a disallowed goal but it happens east took it to them the whole game and got credit for there hard work...good win for them....personally I think east looked a little sluggish in the 3rd and allowed WB to come in the zone more cooper I dont think was playing his best in the 3rd let in a few easy ones...
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Inconsistent or not I think White Bear was just outmatched talent-wise in this one. After the first period though, I thought it was a fairly even game, but this may have been because DE dropped back and started playing defensively. I don't know officially what the total shots were, but they were pretty even after White Bear had some powerplays. As mentioned earlier, it should have been 5-4 instead of 6-3 with the goal disallowed, but that kind of stuff happens. I thought Owen Collette once again looked average at best, and much of that may be due to there terrible defensive corps. Putney is really the only D-man that doesn't make me nervous when he handles the puck back there.
Has anyone else noticed that the upperclassmen on this team never step up in big games? It seems like when they play a good team, Birkinbine and Wolter step up and play big, while the upperclassmen are invisible out there. They seem to just love padding their stats against poor teams like Park. As a Bear fan, this team has been tough to watch and we can only hope that they can pull it together in the end in a down year for section 4AA.
Has anyone else noticed that the upperclassmen on this team never step up in big games? It seems like when they play a good team, Birkinbine and Wolter step up and play big, while the upperclassmen are invisible out there. They seem to just love padding their stats against poor teams like Park. As a Bear fan, this team has been tough to watch and we can only hope that they can pull it together in the end in a down year for section 4AA.
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I would definitely say Wallin steps up a lot more than Wolter.TheNightman wrote:Inconsistent or not I think White Bear was just outmatched talent-wise in this one. After the first period though, I thought it was a fairly even game, but this may have been because DE dropped back and started playing defensively. I don't know officially what the total shots were, but they were pretty even after White Bear had some powerplays. As mentioned earlier, it should have been 5-4 instead of 6-3 with the goal disallowed, but that kind of stuff happens. I thought Owen Collette once again looked average at best, and much of that may be due to there terrible defensive corps. Putney is really the only D-man that doesn't make me nervous when he handles the puck back there.
Has anyone else noticed that the upperclassmen on this team never step up in big games? It seems like when they play a good team, Birkinbine and Wolter step up and play big, while the upperclassmen are invisible out there. They seem to just love padding their stats against poor teams like Park. As a Bear fan, this team has been tough to watch and we can only hope that they can pull it together in the end in a down year for section 4AA.
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Even though East did outplay WBL, it wasn't the Hounds best hockey. To me it seems like they are only playing to win each game, but they don't give it their all. For example when they played Cloquet a huge rival and a weaker team they killed them 6-1. Then when they played Denfeld they clearly outplayed them in the second and third period but only won 2-0. I don't know if it is just me but it seems they are only to work so hard in certain games. They put in how much effort they have to win and nothing else.
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Interesting observation; I have observed something similar at times this year, though I did not see today's game. I'm curious to hear what other East fans thought of this game.HoundHockeyFanatic wrote:Even though East did outplay WBL, it wasn't the Hounds best hockey. To me it seems like they are only playing to win each game, but they don't give it their all. For example when they played Cloquet a huge rival and a weaker team they killed them 6-1. Then when they played Denfeld they clearly outplayed them in the second and third period but only won 2-0. I don't know if it is just me but it seems they are only to work so hard in certain games. They put in how much effort they have to win and nothing else.
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They tend to lay back when they get a comfortable lead but sometimes that comes around and to bite them cooper let in 2 easy goals tho...karl(east) wrote:Interesting observation; I have observed something similar at times this year, though I did not see today's game. I'm curious to hear what other East fans thought of this game.HoundHockeyFanatic wrote:Even though East did outplay WBL, it wasn't the Hounds best hockey. To me it seems like they are only playing to win each game, but they don't give it their all. For example when they played Cloquet a huge rival and a weaker team they killed them 6-1. Then when they played Denfeld they clearly outplayed them in the second and third period but only won 2-0. I don't know if it is just me but it seems they are only to work so hard in certain games. They put in how much effort they have to win and nothing else.
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You can't blame Collette or the defense men. Today East had a 4 on 1, which perfectly illustrates the Bears' problems. Collette and the D man didn't have a chance. Where were the forwards? Where was the other D man? The Bears lost control of the puck in the neutral zone and didn't hustle back after the turnover. This has been a weakness all year - poor puck control, neutral zone turnovers and lackluster back checking. You can't blame that on Collette or the defense corps.TheNightman wrote:I thought Owen Collette once again looked average at best, and much of that may be due to there terrible defensive corps. Putney is really the only D-man that doesn't make me nervous when he handles the puck back there.
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Oh of course, no way you can blame the goalie for letting in two snipes early on, or getting the puck flipped over his head into the net numerous times.MedleyWR wrote:You can't blame Collette or the defense men. Today East had a 4 on 1, which perfectly illustrates the Bears' problems. Collette and the D man didn't have a chance. Where were the forwards? Where was the other D man? The Bears lost control of the puck in the neutral zone and didn't hustle back after the turnover. This has been a weakness all year - poor puck control, neutral zone turnovers and lackluster back checking. You can't blame that on Collette or the defense corps.TheNightman wrote:I thought Owen Collette once again looked average at best, and much of that may be due to there terrible defensive corps. Putney is really the only D-man that doesn't make me nervous when he handles the puck back there.
I do feel that East does sometimes play down a notch, but to say that about the Denfeld game is stupid. If they were laying back they wouldn't of had 45 shots on goal. Having 45 shots on goal and 2 goals doesn't mean you didn't play hard (mostly) it means they weren't finishing and/or burying when needed.
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Good catch, I meant to say Wahlin not Wolter, my bad.hockeyxfan01 wrote:I would definitely say Wallin steps up a lot more than Wolter.TheNightman wrote:Inconsistent or not I think White Bear was just outmatched talent-wise in this one. After the first period though, I thought it was a fairly even game, but this may have been because DE dropped back and started playing defensively. I don't know officially what the total shots were, but they were pretty even after White Bear had some powerplays. As mentioned earlier, it should have been 5-4 instead of 6-3 with the goal disallowed, but that kind of stuff happens. I thought Owen Collette once again looked average at best, and much of that may be due to there terrible defensive corps. Putney is really the only D-man that doesn't make me nervous when he handles the puck back there.
Has anyone else noticed that the upperclassmen on this team never step up in big games? It seems like when they play a good team, Birkinbine and Wolter step up and play big, while the upperclassmen are invisible out there. They seem to just love padding their stats against poor teams like Park. As a Bear fan, this team has been tough to watch and we can only hope that they can pull it together in the end in a down year for section 4AA.
Wolter isn't producing anything this year like he did last year, everyone said how he was going to be so good but he hasnt done anything this year. Wallin and Birkinbine are also on a bad streak with very few points lately.TheNightman wrote:Good catch, I meant to say Wahlin not Wolter, my bad.hockeyxfan01 wrote:I would definitely say Wallin steps up a lot more than Wolter.TheNightman wrote:Inconsistent or not I think White Bear was just outmatched talent-wise in this one. After the first period though, I thought it was a fairly even game, but this may have been because DE dropped back and started playing defensively. I don't know officially what the total shots were, but they were pretty even after White Bear had some powerplays. As mentioned earlier, it should have been 5-4 instead of 6-3 with the goal disallowed, but that kind of stuff happens. I thought Owen Collette once again looked average at best, and much of that may be due to there terrible defensive corps. Putney is really the only D-man that doesn't make me nervous when he handles the puck back there.
Has anyone else noticed that the upperclassmen on this team never step up in big games? It seems like when they play a good team, Birkinbine and Wolter step up and play big, while the upperclassmen are invisible out there. They seem to just love padding their stats against poor teams like Park. As a Bear fan, this team has been tough to watch and we can only hope that they can pull it together in the end in a down year for section 4AA.
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I'd have to agree Swanson didn't do much yesterday, and without Lowell (4 points against AHA, 2 vs Centennial, 1 vs Hill) this team will struggle to win. But Slator had 2 points, 1 against Minnetonka, and 3 against Centennial, thats 6 points against three top ten teams. Wolter hasn't lived up to what he is supposed to be, and is for sure not going D-1 anymore, which is very dissapointing. Other than that, there is not much talent, I think this team is going to need Birkinbine and Wahlin to step up in the big games along with the upperclassmen, including Collette, to be successful.TheNightman wrote: Has anyone else noticed that the upperclassmen on this team never step up in big games? It seems like when they play a good team, Birkinbine and Wolter step up and play big, while the upperclassmen are invisible out there. They seem to just love padding their stats against poor teams like Park. As a Bear fan, this team has been tough to watch and we can only hope that they can pull it together in the end in a down year for section 4AA.
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Well my post actually said East outplayed them in the second and third period. I was refering to the first period, they clearly were not playing East hockey. During the first period they only had 6 shots on net. The goalie was hot but with 45 shots on net it seems like more pucks should have went in.EHSHack wrote:Oh of course, no way you can blame the goalie for letting in two snipes early on, or getting the puck flipped over his head into the net numerous times.MedleyWR wrote:You can't blame Collette or the defense men. Today East had a 4 on 1, which perfectly illustrates the Bears' problems. Collette and the D man didn't have a chance. Where were the forwards? Where was the other D man? The Bears lost control of the puck in the neutral zone and didn't hustle back after the turnover. This has been a weakness all year - poor puck control, neutral zone turnovers and lackluster back checking. You can't blame that on Collette or the defense corps.TheNightman wrote:I thought Owen Collette once again looked average at best, and much of that may be due to there terrible defensive corps. Putney is really the only D-man that doesn't make me nervous when he handles the puck back there.
I do feel that East does sometimes play down a notch, but to say that about the Denfeld game is stupid. If they were laying back they wouldn't of had 45 shots on goal. Having 45 shots on goal and 2 goals doesn't mean you didn't play hard (mostly) it means they weren't finishing and/or burying when needed.
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I have seen East play enough to say the following. One they are very talented, second I don't think you have seen their best hockey yet, third yesterday could have provided them a turning point. I saw them move the puck as well as they have all year, some of their skill players had a couple of nice goals, for the most part the defense controlled much of the play in their zone and seemed to move the puck up very well. I didnt care for the refereeing much I thought the one referee called some marginal calls against East. East might have shown more if the flow of the game hadnt been interrupted by what I thought was a lot of "noise" from the referees. East's line of Tardy, Nelson and Paulseth looked very good, the line of Lutzka, Schendel, and Meyer were impressive as well, forechecking tenaciously and creating opportunities. Interesting to see Forbort takes some shifts at forward. If East can use this game to springboard and build momentum they can be as dangerous as anyone.
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i am not sure who he is but he is not tardy and he is going D1 to ND i think, a defensemen.... he was not very good. Tardy was very talented and controlled the game. I just was not impressed with the other kid, didnt seem to worry about defense at all and tried to much pretty stuff
this isnt some throw away game up in Rochester....
Forbort is unreal... he is smooth with the puck and does not panic, i didn't see this game, but usually he is the best defensemen we got.chiefofmedicine wrote:i am not sure who he is but he is not tardy and he is going D1 to ND i think, a defensemen.... he was not very good. Tardy was very talented and controlled the game. I just was not impressed with the other kid, didnt seem to worry about defense at all and tried to much pretty stuff
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I assume you know he played forward the 1st period correct? He is kindof an offensive defensemen.chiefofmedicine wrote:i am not sure who he is but he is not tardy and he is going D1 to ND i think, a defensemen.... he was not very good. Tardy was very talented and controlled the game. I just was not impressed with the other kid, didnt seem to worry about defense at all and tried to much pretty stuff
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i know he did play forward he looked better there. honestly didnt see much of a difference between him playing forward and D. i wasnt knocking his abilities i was just saying he wasnt much of a defenseman, good and skilled but not much for the defensive side of the game. maybe he just got excited with a white bear team that wasnt playing very well.
this isnt some throw away game up in Rochester....