Fargo Preview 09 Bloomington SQ A Tourny

hillbilly1 · Post by **hillbilly1** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 6:58 pm

Consolation Champ: Rosemount 8-0 over Eastview
Tournament Champ: Fire 13-2 over Armstrong
Both games were into running time by the second period.

goinbardown · Post by **goinbardown** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 10:25 am

Sound like a good championship game.

I would like to thank Kennedy Hockey(The people who made the brackets) for making this tournament a joke after the pool play. I watched all the silver games and they were really fun to see probably 4 of the best 6 teams in the midwest play each other(It was probably good for those teams to play each other since I've noticed they don't play in a lot of real tough or close games). But after the pool the tournament was setup so stupid. I feel bad for Wayzata and Edina who didn't advance but were in the top 4 in the tournament.

I'm just going to say although the Fire and Rosemount advanced it easily could have been Wayzata and Edina moving on as for each game was a toss up.

Should be fun in Fargo and I'm guessing we'll see a couple of rematches along the way.

99GoalieDad · Post by **99GoalieDad** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 10:32 am

Kennedy didn't have anything to do with the brackets. The lead coordinator was Jefferson this year.

goinbardown · Post by **goinbardown** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 10:40 am

I talked to a hand full on Jefferson and they said it was Kennedy who made the bracket and was running the tournament.

Can we get some input?

I'm not saying your wrong cause I probably am I'd just like clarification.

puckfan · Post by **puckfan** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 10:41 am

Come on does it surprise anybody that when a team/association puts on a tournament that they do their best to set it up in their favor?

This can't be a shock to you?

goinbardown · Post by **goinbardown** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 10:50 am

well then if they were smart they wouldn't have put them into the pool where the 1st game into bracket you have to play a team from silver when you know your going to get crushed.

I was talking to some Jefferson Parents and they were telling me how happy Kennedy, Rochester, Armstrong Cooper were that they advanced. We'll of course they are going to advance when they get to play easier teams.

I'm a Fire hater but I must say they did roll there lines and were good sports even though it was a close game. Not to mention there goalie is incredible. I know there team is a bunch of machine kids so they must be pretty good for summer too.

keep skating · Post by **keep skating** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 12:07 pm

I just want to thank the Tournament organizers for letting me see the top teams play each other. When I coached squirts, I tried to get all good games when you are limited to only 35 games. I will make the trip to Eden Praire in a couple weeks to see the next good squirt tournament. I'll bet Edina and Wayzata are looking for 2 more games to play, because they were counting on 5 for the tournament.

hillbilly1 · Post by **hillbilly1** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 12:10 pm

I'm sure that the parents from the teams that advanced were happy as well, but I wonder how happy they were after they got hammered in their last game.
My kids team got bounced in the consolation round but if I were an Edina or Wayzata parent and only got 3 games out of the deal, I wouldn't be happy. Same for Rosemount. They deserved more than the consolation bracket. I know they lost to the Fire but I have to believe they would have liked a second shot. They are a very impressive team.
Who ever put the brackets together did a nice job of making them competitive within the brackets but it made for a disappointing tournament.

bleedingblue · Post by **bleedingblue** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 3:36 pm

hillbilly1 wrote:I'm sure that the parents from the teams that advanced were happy as well, but I wonder how happy they were after they got hammered in their last game.
My kids team got bounced in the consolation round but if I were an Edina or Wayzata parent and only got 3 games out of the deal, I wouldn't be happy. Same for Rosemount. They deserved more than the consolation bracket. I know they lost to the Fire but I have to believe they would have liked a second shot. They are a very impressive team.
Who ever put the brackets together did a nice job of making them competitive within the brackets but it made for a disappointing tournament.

Bloomington did the same thing last year for the district tournament. It's fairly typical however to have the host team set-up the brackets that give them the best chance of advancing. look at every tournament and the host team has the easiest road......

goinbardown · Post by **goinbardown** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 3:39 pm

There is a difference between giving yourself a favorable schedule and just not letting the good teams have a chance.

buttend · Post by **buttend** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 4:30 pm

bleedingblue wrote:
hillbilly1 wrote:I'm sure that the parents from the teams that advanced were happy as well, but I wonder how happy they were after they got hammered in their last game.
My kids team got bounced in the consolation round but if I were an Edina or Wayzata parent and only got 3 games out of the deal, I wouldn't be happy. Same for Rosemount. They deserved more than the consolation bracket. I know they lost to the Fire but I have to believe they would have liked a second shot. They are a very impressive team.
Who ever put the brackets together did a nice job of making them competitive within the brackets but it made for a disappointing tournament.
Bloomington did the same thing last year for the district tournament. It's fairly typical however to have the host team set-up the brackets that give them the best chance of advancing. look at every tournament and the host team has the easiest road......

This set up was not about giving the 2 Bloomington teams a chance to advance. I was about sticking it to 2 of the 4 best SqA teams. With all 4 teams in 1 bracket it was guaranteed that 2 were going home after 3 games!

This event is /was one of the best Squirt tournaments in the Metro area. Now I understand this is a fundraiser for Bloomington Youth Hockey, but $750 per team + $20 per weekend pass per person is too much when you have 50% of the teams out of the event after 3 games.

Change the format, let go of the politics, set up a good event otherwise the better teams will not come back.

Maybe Edina, Wayzata, Rosemount would be better off setting up ice for games between themselves, include the Fire or Minnetonka and have a round robin. Great games, great competition, with out the BS! BTW it would not cost $3000!!

bleedingblue · Post by **bleedingblue** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 4:45 pm

buttend wrote:
bleedingblue wrote:
hillbilly1 wrote:I'm sure that the parents from the teams that advanced were happy as well, but I wonder how happy they were after they got hammered in their last game.
My kids team got bounced in the consolation round but if I were an Edina or Wayzata parent and only got 3 games out of the deal, I wouldn't be happy. Same for Rosemount. They deserved more than the consolation bracket. I know they lost to the Fire but I have to believe they would have liked a second shot. They are a very impressive team.
Who ever put the brackets together did a nice job of making them competitive within the brackets but it made for a disappointing tournament.
Bloomington did the same thing last year for the district tournament. It's fairly typical however to have the host team set-up the brackets that give them the best chance of advancing. look at every tournament and the host team has the easiest road......
This set up was not about giving the 2 Bloomington teams a chance to advance. I was about sticking it to 2 of the 4 best SqA teams. With all 4 teams in 1 bracket it was guaranteed that 2 were going home after 3 games!

This event is /was one of the best Squirt tournaments in the Metro area. Now I understand this is a fundraiser for Bloomington Youth Hockey, but $750 per team + $20 per weekend pass per person is too much when you have 50% of the teams out of the event after 3 games.

Change the format, let go of the politics, set up a good event otherwise the better teams will not come back.

Maybe Edina, Wayzata, Rosemount would be better off setting up ice for games between themselves, include the Fire or Minnetonka and have a round robin. Great games, great competition, with out the BS! BTW it would not cost $3000!!

I agree that Bloomington wanted to make a statement and stick it to the best teams but what do you do? We purposely skipped this tournament because they did the same thing last year for this tourney and in districts as well. I wonder if Wayzata, Edina and Rosemount will make a similar statement and skip this tournament next year....

hockey talkie · Post by **hockey talkie** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 4:49 pm

Goingbardown, I'm wondering why we are still hearing your dribble? Didn't you previously post that you were going to "drop dead" if the Fire won this tournament?

mnhkylvr · Post by **mnhkylvr** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 5:04 pm

goinbardown wrote:well then if they were smart they wouldn't have put them into the pool where the 1st game into bracket you have to play a team from silver when you know your going to get crushed.

I was talking to some Jefferson Parents and they were telling me how happy Kennedy, Rochester, Armstrong Cooper were that they advanced. We'll of course they are going to advance when they get to play easier teams.

I'm a Fire hater but I must say they did roll there lines and were good sports even though it was a close game. Not to mention there goalie is incredible. I know there team is a bunch of machine kids so they must be pretty good for summer too.

I see this alot on this board. No, I'm not referring to the Fire-hater part - although we see alot of that too. I'm referring to the misuse of "their" and "there." Let's not be total puck heads here...

THEIR
1 : of or relating to them or themselves especially as possessors, agents, or objects of an action <their furniture> <their verses> <their being seen>
2 : his or her : his , her , its —used with an indefinite third person singular antecedent <anyone in their senses — W. H. Auden>

THERE
1 : in or at that place <stand over there> —often used interjectionally
2 : to or into that place : thither <went there after church>
3 : at that point or stage <stop right there before you say something you'll regret>
4 : in that matter, respect, or relation <there is where I disagree with you>
5 —used interjectionally to express satisfaction, approval, encouragement or sympathy, or defiance <there, it's finished>

hockey talkie · Post by **hockey talkie** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 9:10 am

What happened to Roseville? Didn't they beat Wayzata for the championship in the N. St. Paul tourney? If Roseville didn't make it out of their "soft" pool (as some people are saying), then whose to say Wayzata would have made it out of another pool? Rosemount did a great job and was definately the team to beat in the silver pool.

Alpha · Post by **Alpha** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 10:32 am

goinbardown wrote:I talked to a hand full on Jefferson and they said it was Kennedy who made the bracket and was running the tournament.

Can we get some input?

I'm not saying your wrong cause I probably am I'd just like clarification.

Jefferson was in control of the pool/bracket - not Kennedy.

hillbilly1 · Post by **hillbilly1** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 10:40 am

hockey talkie wrote:What happened to Roseville? Didn't they beat Wayzata for the championship in the N. St. Paul tourney? If Roseville didn't make it out of their "soft" pool (as some people are saying), then whose to say Wayzata would have made it out of another pool? Rosemount did a great job and was definately the team to beat in the silver pool.

I didn't see Roseville play but of the teams I did see in the consolation rounds and the Championship rounds, in my opinion, Wayzata had a stronger team.
I agree with you on Rosemount, I watched them play twice and was very impressed with their game. They played their system of moving the puck as well or better than any other team.

hockey24/7 · Post by **hockey24/7** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 11:42 am

hockey talkie, you are right that there are no guarantees that Wayzata would have made it out of another pool, but that could be said for any of the teams. I think the point that everyone is making is that all of the games in the silver pool were much closer and more competitive than any of the games in the championship and consolation rounds. Also, the eventual champ (Fire) actually lost to one of the teams in silver (Edina). However, Edina failed to advance because they lost to Wayzata and Rosemount. All of the games in this pool were fairly close and in reality could have easily gone either way. Alot of parity.

Silver Pool
Edina - beat the Fire.
Wayzata - beat Edina.
Rosemount - beat Wayzata and Edina.
Fire - beat Rosemount and Wayzata.

hockey talkie · Post by **hockey talkie** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 11:51 am

Thank you for taking the time to explain that to me, however I do understand what everyone is saying. I'm taking it to another level and questioning whether Wayzata would have made it out of another pool. Maybe, maybe not. And, I do know the results of the silver pool. The two best teams advanced. End of story.

buttend · Post by **buttend** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 12:55 pm

hockey talkie wrote:Goingbardown, I'm wondering why we are still hearing your dribble? Didn't you previously post that you were going to "drop dead" if the Fire won this tournament?

goinbardown wrote:Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 8:04 pm
The 98 Fire aren't that good. To say they can beat any Minnesota team is rediculous and if they win Bloomington I'll drop dead as for they'd have to beat Edina Green, Rosemount, and Wayzata.

When is the funeral?

hockey24/7 · Post by **hockey24/7** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 1:42 pm

hockey talkie, I think it is fairly obvious that there are no guarantees that any of the silver teams would have made it out of any other another pool. I think we all understand the concept that it is possible for any team to beat any other team on any given day. Good teams have bad games and vice versa and if the teams are close in talent, a play or two can be the difference. However, if you look at all of the scores of the games in the championship and consolation rounds and compare them to the scores of the silver games, it is logical to assume that there would have been a very good chance that Edina and Wayzata would have been playing at some level on Sunday. By the way, I don't disagree that the 2 best teams made it out of silver. I doubt that anybody does, that really isn't the point.

hockey talkie · Post by **hockey talkie** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 3:37 pm

Again 24/7, I get it.

flattop · Post by **flattop** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 4:27 pm

I was able to catch a few of the silver bracket games played last week .
WOW what great hockey. It seems like the squirt talent is getting better every year.