If you want to see the future of USA Hockey go to the Chicago area Forum under the tier 1 thread, see USA Hockey.
If anyone has computer skills unlike me they could cut and paste what I'm talking about here.
The future of USA Hockey
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Re: The future of USA Hockey
I can't find that forum, can you provide a link?MoreCowBell wrote:If you want to see the future of USA Hockey go to the Chicago area Forum under the tier 1 thread, see USA Hockey.
If anyone has computer skills unlike me they could cut and paste what I'm talking about here.
Re: The future of USA Hockey
MoreCowBell wrote:If you want to see the future of USA Hockey go to the Chicago area Forum under the tier 1 thread, see USA Hockey.
If anyone has computer skills unlike me they could cut and paste what I'm talking about here.
MCB,
Is this the site?
http://greaterchicagoareayouthhockey.yuku.com/
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itsmorefun
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I found it on here...
http://www.network54.com/Index/91286
then click on the Youth Tier one Hockey (aaa) and then find "USAhockey plans"
http://www.network54.com/Index/91286
then click on the Youth Tier one Hockey (aaa) and then find "USAhockey plans"
Copied from the site given:
Anyone have a copy of the 37 page email that is being sent from USAHockey about the upcoming changes to usahockey?
NHL is going to give money to USAHockey for Junior teams being drafted in the NHL draft.
more funding and new programs.........
5 parts to the program:
NTDP
Regional Elite
Elite Referees
Elite Coaches
Tier 1 Junior A
USA Hockey will be announcing a major Elite Player initiative at the winter meetings next week. In a nutshell it involves placing the best of the best into 6 regional centers with 6 teams each at each age group. It is a lot more involved than that...but the bottom line is that the bottom 95% will be funding the top 5% and that is just wrong.
Anyone have a copy of the 37 page email that is being sent from USAHockey about the upcoming changes to usahockey?
NHL is going to give money to USAHockey for Junior teams being drafted in the NHL draft.
more funding and new programs.........
5 parts to the program:
NTDP
Regional Elite
Elite Referees
Elite Coaches
Tier 1 Junior A
USA Hockey will be announcing a major Elite Player initiative at the winter meetings next week. In a nutshell it involves placing the best of the best into 6 regional centers with 6 teams each at each age group. It is a lot more involved than that...but the bottom line is that the bottom 95% will be funding the top 5% and that is just wrong.
USA Hockey will be unveiling their High Performance and Long Term Athlete Development Initiative this week at their winter meetings.
There is 45 pages of materials that I have reviewed. Here it is in a nutshell:
The USA Hockey National Office will create 6 Elite Regions in the Country.
Each region will have 6 Elite Clubs
Each Club will have "elite" teams from age 6 right up through age 17
This initiative will be under the direct control of a High Performance Manager stationed in Colorado.
Each Region will be overseen by a paid USA Hockey Employee
Each Club in each region will be formed by Colorado
Each Club will have standards and regulations to follow direct from Colorado
These Clubs will not be independ clubs..they will be owned and operated by USA Hockey.
They are using funds from the NHL to get this going but funding will also come from the USA Hockey Budget
The National Team Program will remain in place in Ann Arbor and be at the top of the pyramid
Additional comments from same site:
I will offer my assumption on where the Regions will be:
1. Southern California
2. Great Lakes/Michigan
3. South/Texas
4. Mid Atlantic
5. New England/Boston
6. Mid West USA
the way I read it, the 6 region, 6 elite team format starts at Bantam Minor. At 12u, they recommend essentially house hockey and propose to eliminate AAA, dividing all kids within an association on A & B teams with talent divided equally. At 10u and below ALL kids and teams are to be equal in talent with top lines playing against top lines.
There is 45 pages of materials that I have reviewed. Here it is in a nutshell:
The USA Hockey National Office will create 6 Elite Regions in the Country.
Each region will have 6 Elite Clubs
Each Club will have "elite" teams from age 6 right up through age 17
This initiative will be under the direct control of a High Performance Manager stationed in Colorado.
Each Region will be overseen by a paid USA Hockey Employee
Each Club in each region will be formed by Colorado
Each Club will have standards and regulations to follow direct from Colorado
These Clubs will not be independ clubs..they will be owned and operated by USA Hockey.
They are using funds from the NHL to get this going but funding will also come from the USA Hockey Budget
The National Team Program will remain in place in Ann Arbor and be at the top of the pyramid
Additional comments from same site:
I will offer my assumption on where the Regions will be:
1. Southern California
2. Great Lakes/Michigan
3. South/Texas
4. Mid Atlantic
5. New England/Boston
6. Mid West USA
the way I read it, the 6 region, 6 elite team format starts at Bantam Minor. At 12u, they recommend essentially house hockey and propose to eliminate AAA, dividing all kids within an association on A & B teams with talent divided equally. At 10u and below ALL kids and teams are to be equal in talent with top lines playing against top lines.
And another:
USA Hockey will begin implementation starting March 1st of this year.
And the Junior leagues have all announced expansion.
The USA Hockey National Office will create 6 Elite Regions in the Country.
Each region will have 6 Elite Clubs
Each Club will have "elite" teams from age 6 right up through age 17
This initiative will be under the direct control of a High Performance Manager stationed in Colorado.
Each Region will be overseen by a paid USA Hockey Employee
Each Club in each region will be formed by Colorado
Each Club will have standards and regulations to follow direct from Colorado
These Clubs will not be independ clubs..they will be owned and operated by USA Hockey.
They are using funds from the NHL to get this going but funding will also come from the USA Hockey Budget
The National Team Program will remain in place in Ann Arbor and be at the top of the pyramid
USA Hockey will begin implementation starting March 1st of this year.
And the Junior leagues have all announced expansion.
The USA Hockey National Office will create 6 Elite Regions in the Country.
Each region will have 6 Elite Clubs
Each Club will have "elite" teams from age 6 right up through age 17
This initiative will be under the direct control of a High Performance Manager stationed in Colorado.
Each Region will be overseen by a paid USA Hockey Employee
Each Club in each region will be formed by Colorado
Each Club will have standards and regulations to follow direct from Colorado
These Clubs will not be independ clubs..they will be owned and operated by USA Hockey.
They are using funds from the NHL to get this going but funding will also come from the USA Hockey Budget
The National Team Program will remain in place in Ann Arbor and be at the top of the pyramid
Here is what is in place....(per MN Hockey rep at the game)
I have shortened a bit, but not the message being delivered.
Friday night MH should get a presentation from USAH personnel on teh program.
"The program introduced by the USAH player development committee of hockey operations has (5) different components to it. They are,
1 growth of the game,
2 player development,
3 referee development,
4 coach development
5 and parent education.
... all of this is being funded by the NHL, including underwritting the NDTP in Ann Arbor, which will releive approx. 2 mil. from the current budget.
the board unamiously (approved) on Sunday morning.
There was a lot of talk about the regional sites... but none of that has been developed, let alone committed to at this time.
Pretty much at a concept stage at this time.
The funding from the NHL just came in last week and USAH wanted to announce the program over the weekend, thus all of this is in the develpment stages.
There is a lot of good things to get excited about with it. I firmly believe MH can take advantage of the overall program as it goes down some of the same paths as HEP and some of the current thougt processes being addressed by the discernment committee. USAH has committed to be flexible on this program... "
I hope this helps everyone.
I have shortened a bit, but not the message being delivered.
Friday night MH should get a presentation from USAH personnel on teh program.
"The program introduced by the USAH player development committee of hockey operations has (5) different components to it. They are,
1 growth of the game,
2 player development,
3 referee development,
4 coach development
5 and parent education.
... all of this is being funded by the NHL, including underwritting the NDTP in Ann Arbor, which will releive approx. 2 mil. from the current budget.
the board unamiously (approved) on Sunday morning.
There was a lot of talk about the regional sites... but none of that has been developed, let alone committed to at this time.
Pretty much at a concept stage at this time.
The funding from the NHL just came in last week and USAH wanted to announce the program over the weekend, thus all of this is in the develpment stages.
There is a lot of good things to get excited about with it. I firmly believe MH can take advantage of the overall program as it goes down some of the same paths as HEP and some of the current thougt processes being addressed by the discernment committee. USAH has committed to be flexible on this program... "
I hope this helps everyone.
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New
Elliott
Any new news regarding this? I was under the knowledge that USA Hockey and Minnesota were meeting yesterday to discuss the future of Minnesota.
USA Hockey was expecting 100% resistance from Minnesota...any word on how it went?
Thanks
Any new news regarding this? I was under the knowledge that USA Hockey and Minnesota were meeting yesterday to discuss the future of Minnesota.
USA Hockey was expecting 100% resistance from Minnesota...any word on how it went?
Thanks
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The meeting is tonight (Friday 1/23).Tenoverpar wrote:Elliott
Any new news regarding this? I was under the knowledge that USA Hockey and Minnesota were meeting yesterday to discuss the future of Minnesota.
USA Hockey was expecting 100% resistance from Minnesota...any word on how it went?
Thanks
The 4 MH reps to USAH voted for this change.
The change is not as dramatic as the rumors have it. The regional sites are not going to be implemented (at least not yet). Tehy are just a concept.
Tonight at 8pm I believe is the meeting time at the Holiday Inn in Maple Grove or the motel right next to it. We had to usse to sites for this meeting.
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From what I read hear the program will go into effect March 1 2009 and the hpc clubs will begin leagur play the 2009/2010 season
USA hockey memo on the the new program
http://files.leagueathletics.com/Images ... letter.jpg
Questions and answrs regarding the new program
http://files.leagueathletics.com/Images ... rm%202.jpg
USA hockey memo on the the new program
http://files.leagueathletics.com/Images ... letter.jpg
Questions and answrs regarding the new program
http://files.leagueathletics.com/Images ... rm%202.jpg
Hmm
Pacific1. LA Hockey Club/LA Selects2. LA Jr. Kings3. Anaheim Jr. Ducks4. San Jose Jr. Sharks5. California Wave6. Phoenix Firebirds
Central1. Belle Tire2. Honeybaked3. Compuware4. Little Caesars5. Team Illinois6. Chicago Mission
Midwest1. Colorado Thunderbirds2. Dallas Stars AAA3. St. Louis Blues AAA4. Fire Hockey Club5. Madison Capitols6. Minnesota Blades
Southeast1. Florida Everblades2. Florida Jr. Panthers/Alliance3. Carolina Jr. Hurricanes4. TPH Thunder5. Washington Little Capitals6. Team Maryland
Northeast1. Valley Jr. Warriors2. Central Mass Outlaws3. South Shore Dynamos4. Mid Fairfield Blues5. Westchester Express6. Long Island Gulls
Atlantic/East1. Syracuse Stars2. Rochester Americans3. Philadelphia Jr. Flyers4. North Jersey Avalanche5. Cleveland Barons6. Pittsburgh Jr. Penguins
Hmmmm......(scratches head)
Central1. Belle Tire2. Honeybaked3. Compuware4. Little Caesars5. Team Illinois6. Chicago Mission
Midwest1. Colorado Thunderbirds2. Dallas Stars AAA3. St. Louis Blues AAA4. Fire Hockey Club5. Madison Capitols6. Minnesota Blades
Southeast1. Florida Everblades2. Florida Jr. Panthers/Alliance3. Carolina Jr. Hurricanes4. TPH Thunder5. Washington Little Capitals6. Team Maryland
Northeast1. Valley Jr. Warriors2. Central Mass Outlaws3. South Shore Dynamos4. Mid Fairfield Blues5. Westchester Express6. Long Island Gulls
Atlantic/East1. Syracuse Stars2. Rochester Americans3. Philadelphia Jr. Flyers4. North Jersey Avalanche5. Cleveland Barons6. Pittsburgh Jr. Penguins
Hmmmm......(scratches head)
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Re: Hmm
Okay, I'll bite.jancze5 wrote:Pacific 1. LA Hockey Club/LA Selects 2. LA Jr. Kings 3. Anaheim Jr. Ducks 4. San Jose Jr. Sharks 5. California Wave 6. Phoenix Firebirds
Central 1. Belle Tire 2. Honeybaked 3. Compuware 4. Little Caesars 5. Team Illinois 6. Chicago Mission
Midwest 1. Colorado Thunderbirds 2. Dallas Stars AAA 3. St. Louis Blues AAA 4. Fire Hockey Club 5. Madison Capitols 6. Minnesota Blades
Southeast 1. Florida Everblades 2. Florida Jr. Panthers/Alliance 3. Carolina Jr. Hurricanes 4. TPH Thunder 5. Washington Little Capitals 6. Team Maryland
Northeast 1. Valley Jr. Warriors 2. Central Mass Outlaws 3. South Shore Dynamos 4. Mid Fairfield Blues 5. Westchester Express 6. Long Island Gulls
Atlantic/East 1. Syracuse Stars 2. Rochester Americans 3. Philadelphia Jr. Flyers 4. North Jersey Avalanche 5. Cleveland Barons 6. Pittsburgh Jr. Penguins
Hmmmm......(scratches head)
Two teams in Florida, but one from Colorado?
No Russell Stover or PF Chang's, which field strong teams at the older ages (but probably lack teams at the lower age groups).
Four Detroit teams, but Victory Honda isn't one of them...what does it mean for them?
Nothing in Atlanta or Pacific Northwest.
Be kind. Rewind.
Re: Hmm
jancze5 wrote:Pacific1. LA Hockey Club/LA Selects2. LA Jr. Kings3. Anaheim Jr. Ducks4. San Jose Jr. Sharks5. California Wave6. Phoenix Firebirds
Central1. Belle Tire2. Honeybaked3. Compuware4. Little Caesars5. Team Illinois6. Chicago Mission
Midwest1. Colorado Thunderbirds2. Dallas Stars AAA3. St. Louis Blues AAA4. Fire Hockey Club5. Madison Capitols6. Minnesota Blades
Southeast1. Florida Everblades2. Florida Jr. Panthers/Alliance3. Carolina Jr. Hurricanes4. TPH Thunder5. Washington Little Capitals6. Team Maryland
Northeast1. Valley Jr. Warriors2. Central Mass Outlaws3. South Shore Dynamos4. Mid Fairfield Blues5. Westchester Express6. Long Island Gulls
Atlantic/East1. Syracuse Stars2. Rochester Americans3. Philadelphia Jr. Flyers4. North Jersey Avalanche5. Cleveland Barons6. Pittsburgh Jr. Penguins
Hmmmm......(scratches head)
Jancze, are these your picks or USA hockeys?
Apparently, you don't get it.
There are not going to be 36 teams, that was a number picked for discussion purposes.
USA Hockey has not hired the people to oversee it. They have given the job of oversight to one person and they are just now (Minnesota Hockey I believe was the first) meeting with the Affiliates to discuss the program.
The affiliates will work with USAH to establish the program how they best fit within what the affiliate is doing.
MH just appointed a committee this last weekend to start working on this with USAH.
This is something new - USAH coming to the affiliates and not telling them what to do but working with them.
The biggest part of this project is the Long Term Athletic Development Program. But there are many parts.
The regional centers for a base for teams is concept only and may or may not be brought to fruition in all, some or none of the US.
There are not going to be 36 teams, that was a number picked for discussion purposes.
USA Hockey has not hired the people to oversee it. They have given the job of oversight to one person and they are just now (Minnesota Hockey I believe was the first) meeting with the Affiliates to discuss the program.
The affiliates will work with USAH to establish the program how they best fit within what the affiliate is doing.
MH just appointed a committee this last weekend to start working on this with USAH.
This is something new - USAH coming to the affiliates and not telling them what to do but working with them.
The biggest part of this project is the Long Term Athletic Development Program. But there are many parts.
The regional centers for a base for teams is concept only and may or may not be brought to fruition in all, some or none of the US.
This is an ignorant statement.Barman wrote:I guess the big question is............Will MN miss out on the regional center because they want to show USA who is boss?
MH works very well with USAH.
And apparently you believe rumor over fact.
Regional centers are not going to be spring up over night if ever.
Re: Hmm
They are not USAH.buttend wrote:jancze5 wrote:Pacific1. LA Hockey Club/LA Selects2. LA Jr. Kings3. Anaheim Jr. Ducks4. San Jose Jr. Sharks5. California Wave6. Phoenix Firebirds
Central1. Belle Tire2. Honeybaked3. Compuware4. Little Caesars5. Team Illinois6. Chicago Mission
Midwest1. Colorado Thunderbirds2. Dallas Stars AAA3. St. Louis Blues AAA4. Fire Hockey Club5. Madison Capitols6. Minnesota Blades
Southeast1. Florida Everblades2. Florida Jr. Panthers/Alliance3. Carolina Jr. Hurricanes4. TPH Thunder5. Washington Little Capitals6. Team Maryland
Northeast1. Valley Jr. Warriors2. Central Mass Outlaws3. South Shore Dynamos4. Mid Fairfield Blues5. Westchester Express6. Long Island Gulls
Atlantic/East1. Syracuse Stars2. Rochester Americans3. Philadelphia Jr. Flyers4. North Jersey Avalanche5. Cleveland Barons6. Pittsburgh Jr. Penguins
Hmmmm......(scratches head)
Jancze, are these your picks or USA hockeys?
Speculation
Everything on this topic is pure speculation as far as I'm concerned.
I have spoke with 4 parties from 3 different areas (Colorado/DC/Michigan) on the topic and all of them said the same thing, USA Hockey gave their programs a deadline of today for them to submit an initial application packet to become one of the 36 programs.
What I'm curious of, Elliott I guess you'd best be able to answer this, is if Minnesota would now allow a Minnesota Made or a Fire to hop on and capture Minnesota kids (without the headache in place now).
This is NOT AAA hockey. It essentially, for all purposes, does away with the AAA designation, sending all the "billpayers" back to the level they belong and focusing on the true elite player.
Will be interesting how this pans out knowing all the before and after Prep Schoolers in New England, the Shattuck program, the rink owners nationwide, and all the AAA programs that are essentially the Career of some people. This isn't about kids in a sense, it's about business for MANY.
I have spoke with 4 parties from 3 different areas (Colorado/DC/Michigan) on the topic and all of them said the same thing, USA Hockey gave their programs a deadline of today for them to submit an initial application packet to become one of the 36 programs.
What I'm curious of, Elliott I guess you'd best be able to answer this, is if Minnesota would now allow a Minnesota Made or a Fire to hop on and capture Minnesota kids (without the headache in place now).
This is NOT AAA hockey. It essentially, for all purposes, does away with the AAA designation, sending all the "billpayers" back to the level they belong and focusing on the true elite player.
Will be interesting how this pans out knowing all the before and after Prep Schoolers in New England, the Shattuck program, the rink owners nationwide, and all the AAA programs that are essentially the Career of some people. This isn't about kids in a sense, it's about business for MANY.
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Re: Speculation
jancze5 wrote:Everything on this topic is pure speculation as far as I'm concerned.
VERY TRUE