Class A rankings (1-26-09)

HShockeywatcher · Post by **HShockeywatcher** » Sat Jan 31, 2009 12:59 pm

Another comment to be thrown out there from a Class A fan. The list nungitchida just posted is probably how I'd end up lining it up, although I'd probably put Alex in at #8. That being said, unlike past years, I don't think there is a team in the top 7 of that list that would take 9 out of 10 games from another. We have the teams they've played and how they do in those games to order them. Unfortunately they cannot play a couple round robins to get a better picture.

I see the top 5 listed making it to state and unfortunately because we only seed the top 4, one will have to not be ranked. Good luck to all teams the rest of the season.

elliott70 · Post by **elliott70** » Sat Jan 31, 2009 1:22 pm

St Thomas cannot be #1.
They lost to Duluth Marshall who lost to
Hibbing, Hermantown and Moorhead.

So that makes them what #5????

MNHockey75 · Post by **MNHockey75** » Sat Jan 31, 2009 1:39 pm

elliott70 wrote:St Thomas cannot be #1.
They lost to Duluth Marshall who lost to
Hibbing, Hermantown and Moorhead.

So that makes them what #5????

And now Warroad.

It was their first game of the year, they've come all long way, I think. I'm sure we'll see who's better in the X.

deacon · Post by **deacon** » Sat Jan 31, 2009 2:18 pm

dherman8 wrote:
deacon wrote:
dherman8 wrote:Deacon- You're ridiculous. Did you even watch any high school hockey the past two years? Year after year LF gets ragged on for having an easy schedule and finally last year most of the people here have given them credit for not being a pretender anymore for their great performance. To say that LF isn't a definite top four team is just plain stupid.
I never said they weren't a top 4 team, all I said was that I don't think they are the top team right now nor are they the best team in class A. Quit putting words in my mouth.

This thread is about the rankings of class A. Currently, LF is ranked #1. I don't agree with that. I'm not saying that LF isn't a good team because they are clearly a good team, I just don't think they are the best team in class A like rankings indicate. How hard is that to understand? Good for LF for not being a "pretender" anymore. Yay! I couldn't care less to be honest.

edit: What was their great performance that you are referring to? The regular season (this is a serious question, by the way)?

edit 2: I also agree that these 2 teams might not even make the state tournament, but I also think that it is unlikely and it would be a shame if they didn't.
"edit: and who really cares if LF is #1? they'll just be crushed even more when they play better teams in the postseason, just don't call it an upset when LF loses in state, if they get there." -Deacon

Deacon- you said that you clown. LF's performance at state last year should be evidence enough that this team can play with any class A team. They only lost Beau Hanowski and they still have plenty of offense. Plus, Sperl is underrated. Seems to me like you think LF is bad. Whatever.

You're stupid. I never said LF was bad, just not the #1 team in class A. Get over it.

elliott70 · Post by **elliott70** » Sat Jan 31, 2009 2:25 pm

MNHockey75 wrote:
elliott70 wrote:St Thomas cannot be #1.
They lost to Duluth Marshall who lost to
Hibbing, Hermantown and Moorhead.

So that makes them what #5????
And now Warroad. It was their first game of the year, they've come all long way, I think. I'm sure we'll see who's better in the X.

Yes. I would love to see a Warroad.....

Hibbing or Little Falls final.

elliott70 · Post by **elliott70** » Sat Jan 31, 2009 2:27 pm

deacon wrote:
dherman8 wrote:
deacon wrote: I never said they weren't a top 4 team, all I said was that I don't think they are the top team right now nor are they the best team in class A. Quit putting words in my mouth.

This thread is about the rankings of class A. Currently, LF is ranked #1. I don't agree with that. I'm not saying that LF isn't a good team because they are clearly a good team, I just don't think they are the best team in class A like rankings indicate. How hard is that to understand? Good for LF for not being a "pretender" anymore. Yay! I couldn't care less to be honest.

edit: What was their great performance that you are referring to? The regular season (this is a serious question, by the way)?

edit 2: I also agree that these 2 teams might not even make the state tournament, but I also think that it is unlikely and it would be a shame if they didn't.
"edit: and who really cares if LF is #1? they'll just be crushed even more when they play better teams in the postseason, just don't call it an upset when LF loses in state, if they get there." -Deacon

Deacon- you said that you clown. LF's performance at state last year should be evidence enough that this team can play with any class A team. They only lost Beau Hanowski and they still have plenty of offense. Plus, Sperl is underrated. Seems to me like you think LF is bad. Whatever.
You're stupid. I never said LF was bad, just not the #1 team in class A. Get over it.

You're stupid.
????????

That's like calling Cyranno (or Steve Martin fire chief character), big nose.

beaverhawk · Post by **beaverhawk** » Sat Jan 31, 2009 10:17 pm

HShockeywatcher wrote:beaverhawk, compare how Holy Angels does against their conference opponents to how Little Falls does. No one is saying they aren't winning, just how they are. If they were doing what Holy Angels is, I would have no problem with them at number 1.

Do you look at the numbers before spouting off? the flyers are just as successful as Holy Angels... (not sure why they are your choice of who to compare to I must have missed something earlier but let's go).... some recent big wins for both teams (conference or not):
LF 8 Fergus 0; LF 8 Wilmar 1; LF 9 FF 2; LF 7 River Lakes 0
HA 11 Farm 0; HA 13 Shak 1; HA 8 Hutch 1; HA 6 NP 0....
your point about how the Flyers are giving up too many goals against weakish competition so they shouldn't be #1 looks a bit weak... pick a better reason.

"maybe something like STA should be a AA school so naturally they would be ranked higher than LF" or how about "private schools should always get the nod over public schools"

HShockeywatcher · Post by **HShockeywatcher** » Sat Jan 31, 2009 10:49 pm

beaverhawk,
No one's saying they aren't a good team. You asked a question and I answered it, no reason to be disrespectful here. I picked Holy Angels because of how their conference play is for them. They will all their conference games. But they don't just win them, they win by 10 goal margins and average less than 1 GA a game. Little Falls, on the other hand, is not doing that and they are playing the same caliber, or less, teams than Holy Angels. If Cathedral was the only team on their schedule who scored more than one goal against them, I'd be fine crowning them, but they are giving up 2, 3 or even 4 goals against mediocre teams, that is the issue. If you are going to play an easy schedule and expect to be called great, you need to own your schedule, Little Falls isn't doing that.

shins · Post by **shins** » Sun Feb 01, 2009 8:37 am

Due to the frustrating style of this forum (and one poster in particular) I have avoided adding to this for my own sanity, but I will throw this out since HShockeywatcher has Little Falls giving up large amounts of goals to their weak schedule... here are the last stretch of games for the Flyers and goals allowed.
Sauk Rapids - 0
Fergus Falls - 0
Sartell - 2
Alex - 0
Willmar - 1
Fergus -2
River Lakes - 0
Brainerd - 3
New Prague- 0
Prior Lake - 1

These are the past 10 games, a total of 9 goals. They did give up more goals in December (a couple of 3's and two 4's).

I have no problem with STA in the #1 spot, but right now there is no team I could put ahead of LF at #2

HShockeywatcher · Post by **HShockeywatcher** » Sun Feb 01, 2009 8:54 am

Conveniently only going back ten games. If you would've gone back 14:
Faribault - 4
Sauk Rapids - 3
Sartell - 3
Alex - 3

These are the numbers that are alarming. The best of goalies play mediocre competition and give up a goal, sometimes even two. And Alex has a good squad, no doubt. If the Alex game was 2 and the combination of these other three and Brainerd totaled 5 at most, I'd have no problem putting them up there. While I still stand by saying Little Falls should've done what Braham did with the 4 open games on their scheduling, adding top teams, they didn't. And if that is the choice they are going to make, they (in my opinion) need to dominate the lesser opponents on their schedule to have any chance at a claim for it.

shins · Post by **shins** » Sun Feb 01, 2009 9:00 am

HShockeywatcher wrote:Conveniently only going back ten games. If you would've gone back 14:
Faribault - 4
Sauk Rapids - 3
Sartell - 3
Alex - 3

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I am pretty sure I mentioned that in my post, and I am also pretty sure if you go back through this forum like you enjoy doing, you will see that earlier in the year I said that I did not feel like they were one of the top (1-4) teams in state. They were not playing well then and were spending A LOT of time in the box.
The thing is, they made it through that stretch without a loss (and beat SCC and Alex), and now they ARE playing like a top team and with an unblemished record they should be there.

HShockeywatcher · Post by **HShockeywatcher** » Sun Feb 01, 2009 9:10 am

I am completely fine with agreeing to disagree here. You are not wrong and I am not wrong, we simply have a difference of opinion.

-My comparison to Holy Angels is that when they haven't come together as a team yet they will maybe allow 2-3 goals and still win by 10, then when they have that shoots down to 0-1 and the occasional 2.
-Also, I don't like that this "playing like a top team" now has come at a time when they are playing no teams near the top, which is basically the point of my whole post.

You think I "enjoy...go[ing] back through this forum?" The only reason I do it is because people call me out on misquoting them or saying they said things they didn't say when all it takes is proving them wrong and they stop yapping about it and get back on topic. I like discussing this stuff in a respectful way. People often nit pick my posts to death, try to take back things they said and avoid the real point. I've brought back quotes a few times and whenever it happens, the person doesn't have much to say.

So yeah, I am fine with St Thomas at #1, although it's not where I'd put them, I'm also fine with Little Falls at #2. If they can finish off the season and sections giving up 3-5 goals in all the non-Tech games I would give them the #2 seed at state.

hshckfan08 · Post by **hshckfan08** » Sun Feb 01, 2009 11:08 am

HShockeywatcher wrote:I am completely fine with agreeing to disagree here. You are not wrong and I am not wrong, we simply have a difference of opinion.

-My comparison to Holy Angels is that when they haven't come together as a team yet they will maybe allow 2-3 goals and still win by 10, then when they have that shoots down to 0-1 and the occasional 2.
-Also, I don't like that this "playing like a top team" now has come at a time when they are playing no teams near the top, which is basically the point of my whole post.

You think I "enjoy...go[ing] back through this forum?" The only reason I do it is because people call me out on misquoting them or saying they said things they didn't say when all it takes is proving them wrong and they stop yapping about it and get back on topic. I like discussing this stuff in a respectful way. People often nit pick my posts to death, try to take back things they said and avoid the real point. I've brought back quotes a few times and whenever it happens, the person doesn't have much to say.

So yeah, I am fine with St Thomas at #1, although it's not where I'd put them, I'm also fine with Little Falls at #2. If they can finish off the season and sections giving up 3-5 goals in all the non-Tech games I would give them the #2 seed at state.

beaverhawk · Post by **beaverhawk** » Sun Feb 01, 2009 10:15 pm

hshockeywatcher, my "question" was more of a statement: i am curious how much any of you who bring up the Flyers' GAA know about the scores... they are allowing 0 to 3 goals in 14 of their games this year with 7 shutouts and 2-one goal allowed games in those 14.
You are choosing to ignore the facts of the scores. The Flyers are NOT giving up goals in the amounts you seem to think. You make it sound like they are winning games 8-6. THEY HAVE 7 SHUTOUTS.... Now I will ask you a question.. How many teams in the state have posted 7 shutouts?

MNHockey75 · Post by **MNHockey75** » Sun Feb 01, 2009 10:52 pm

beaverhawk wrote:hshockeywatcher, my "question" was more of a statement: i am curious how much any of you who bring up the Flyers' GAA know about the scores... they are allowing 0 to 3 goals in 14 of their games this year with 7 shutouts and 2-one goal allowed games in those 14.
You are choosing to ignore the facts of the scores. The Flyers are NOT giving up goals in the amounts you seem to think. You make it sound like they are winning games 8-6. THEY HAVE 7 SHUTOUTS.... Now I will ask you a question.. How many teams in the state have posted 7 shutouts?

Little Falls
Duluth East
St. Cloud Cathedral

dherman8 · Post by **dherman8** » Mon Feb 02, 2009 2:56 pm

elliott70 wrote:
deacon wrote:
dherman8 wrote: "edit: and who really cares if LF is #1? they'll just be crushed even more when they play better teams in the postseason, just don't call it an upset when LF loses in state, if they get there." -Deacon

Deacon- you said that you clown. LF's performance at state last year should be evidence enough that this team can play with any class A team. They only lost Beau Hanowski and they still have plenty of offense. Plus, Sperl is underrated. Seems to me like you think LF is bad. Whatever.
You're stupid. I never said LF was bad, just not the #1 team in class A. Get over it.

You're stupid.
????????

That's like calling Cyranno (or Steve Martin fire chief character), big nose.

Haha nice. What you said in your quote "implies" you think they aren't good. That may be too big of a word for you to handle but at least I know elliott will be able to understand it. I don't believe you can give Breck a top 2 seed.

HShockeywatcher · Post by **HShockeywatcher** » Mon Feb 02, 2009 6:10 pm

beaverhawk, with as much as I've discussed Little Falls, I know their schedule in and out. I understand what they have done. Here is my statement: With their schedule, to be the #1 team, they need to have done more.

mnhockeyfan77 · Post by **mnhockeyfan77** » Mon Feb 02, 2009 6:22 pm

HShockeywatcher wrote:beaverhawk, with as much as I've discussed Little Falls, I know their schedule in and out. I understand what they have done. Here is my statement: With their schedule, to be the #1 team, they need to have done more.

I agree. Little Falls is hands down a great team. St.Thomas has just done more, yes St.Thomas isnt undefeated but I think they play more difficult competition. Mostly AA schools. This isnt between STA and LF but how is totino ranked in all your standings? didnt they lose to Spring lake park like 7-2? I didnt know Spring lake park had a good team. i checked their schedule and they have won their last 6. They only lost to BSM 4-1. Seems like they could be a top 20 team. They are ranked in Lets Play Hockey magazine. Who is Spring Lake Park? thats my question. Ive been really interested in them since i saw 7-2 in the newspaper. Ive seen them play once but that was a couple years back.