what's up with Moundsview boys hockey

[prospector]

Sorry but if you keep chasing coaches away, the end result is even worse coaches coming in. Who in thier right mind would want this job or WBL for that matter? All you guys do is bash the coaches year in and year out, give it a rest. You play in a tough conference and are pretty average talent wise, What are you expecting? Your youth teams are at the bottom of D2 every year? Where are you going to get better players from?

well you have a point however when a coaches play book includes putting 2d and a foreward in the corner to get control while leaving the slot open (yes he teaches that) in an attempt to overload the corner and gain control......well i dont think that works even in mites and obviously didnt work today or in previous games.. coaching philosiphy and knowledge are key here

[hartyy56]

Yes, the coach WAS doing what he could to get the team back on track. He was experimenting with the team; switching up lines, putting defense players on offense and vise versa, starting players who shouldnt be starting. I dont know what kind of strategy he had but it caused a few players to switch to jv and a lot of resentment. The captain of the team said that after the WBL game "our coach doesnt even care anymore." What this team needs is an experienced, reliable, and intelligent leader who can bring this talented team together so they can play at their highest potential.

[prospector]

Sorry but if you keep chasing coaches away, the end result is even worse coaches coming in. Who in thier right mind would want this job or WBL for that matter? All you guys do is bash the coaches year in and year out, give it a rest. You play in a tough conference and are pretty average talent wise, What are you expecting? Your youth teams are at the bottom of D2 every year? Where are you going to get better players from?

Very good post. I would like to say that it is funny how the people that got Nitti out didn't stay around for long, only a few did. I give credit to schwartzbauer for jumping into a beehive when he did and remember that MV made it to the colesium for the first time in a long time last year. Is he the greatest coach, no...but he is doing the best he can, yes obviously. Not everyone is going to be happy with the coaching. Its impossible to do. If you think you could do it better then hop in there and do it and dont whine about it on here. Let the kids play, they only get this opportunity once and they don't need to hear from parents about how bad the coaching is.
Just my two cents.

look we're not wbl or hill but we can produce,,, and some of us know the game of hockey!!!!these boys have been able to do very well in the past against the players they have seen from squirts --pewees and A BANTAMS and when the kids keep saying that they want to be worked harder and their confidence in the coaching is growing smaller and smaller by day.... its hard to take ( these kids want to be held acountable ) but its not being done i feel they know they can but its not being done with the coaching staff

[wiseguy]

Prospector you seem pretty close to the program, whats the answer and as one stated before with all the coach bashing who would want that job?

[blanco oso]

they got killed by WB today

[fffhockey]

Just about the entire varsity team ( maybe minus 1) are ready for a change in leadership. This varisty coach is in his 4th year there. Loads of players have left and the ones left are starting to feel it too. This coach doesn't know how to coach kids, because he never did until he came to Mounds View. He was a baseball player and then played some college hockey at Augsburg al little bit and coached there as an assistant. He didn't have any experience coaching kids until he started at MV. Most of these kids want to work hard- and have yet to ever skate a practice as hard as they did in Bantams. Between periods he doesn't even talk to his players. They might as well be out there without a coach. The man has zero communication skills. The Defensive coach has one line play shifts from 4-6 minutes long, which in turn leaves them so gassed they can't play the game. He lets the other players sit on the bench, that is when the goals start coming in. This same line gets scored on when MV is on the power play. All I've got to say is keep this coaching duo and watch the players leave. It is a sad state when Junior Gold is looking like a better option next year for most of these kids that are currently playing varsity.

[Moose Jaw, SK]

Sorry but if you keep chasing coaches away, the end result is even worse coaches coming in. Who in thier right mind would want this job or WBL for that matter? All you guys do is bash the coaches year in and year out, give it a rest. You play in a tough conference and are pretty average talent wise, What are you expecting? Your youth teams are at the bottom of D2 every year? Where are you going to get better players from?

Actually if I recall a couple of years back they sat at the top of D2 for bantams?

But I do agree let the guy do his job and let the kids play the game without cutting them after every game.

Yes, they helped significantly to their teams getting and winning state titles with Cretin in 06 and Hill last year in 08. Too bad it wasn't for MV.

Also just an interesting fact but despite all the bashing of the coach MV did beat Stillwater in section quarter finals last year for their first win in sections for over 10 years so the coach did something right.

[fffhockey]

They won a great game that day. This is a TEAM sport. It's plain and simple- you can't win games only using one line. Some players play shifts about 5 minutes long. No team, not even in the NHL does this. If you want to play the favorites at the very least keep them fresh. These players are so gassed in the 2nd and 3rd period, they can never do their jobs when they can't catch up to the other team racing down the ice towards their goalie. This team has players who can put the puck in the net and prevent them from going in ours. Figure out who is scoring the goals and who is letting the goals come in. Play the ones who can score more and the ones who let them score less. Starting to sound like Einstein here.

[1parent]

Sorry but if you keep chasing coaches away, the end result is even worse coaches coming in. Who in thier right mind would want this job or WBL for that matter? All you guys do is bash the coaches year in and year out, give it a rest. You play in a tough conference and are pretty average talent wise, What are you expecting? Your youth teams are at the bottom of D2 every year? Where are you going to get better players from?

Actually if I recall a couple of years back they sat at the top of D2 for bantams?

But I do agree let the guy do his job and let the kids play the game without cutting them after every game.

Yes, they helped significantly to their teams getting and winning state titles with Cretin in 06 and Hill last year in 08. Too bad it wasn't for MV.

Also just an interesting fact but despite all the bashing of the coach MV did beat Stillwater in section quarter finals last year for their first win in sections for over 10 years so the coach did something right.

Please help me understand who on that team helped Cretin in 06 and Hill in 08?

It seems that some on here are close to the program and other just pipe in with no real knowledge. I would suggest if you don't know whats really going on to not say much or anything.

[bluelinebandit]

There are lots of great players who left Moundsview, many of them played their youth hockey at Mounds View. Some left for a better chance at their future w/ programs that have coaches that want to win. Some just attended catholic schools and did the same in high school. The 2 head coaches here seem like they are okay with finishing a close 2nd to all the good teams they play. I've seen in person how they didn't pull the goalie a number of times and try to get the tie. Or they leave the same group in at the end of game sometimes for 4 minutes at a crack - then go into OT and stay with the same ones. No players can play at 100% when they are exhausted. I've heard the JV players all like their coaches. Why doesn't the AD offer them the job. Sounds like its time for change. I've talked to some of the parents and kids, the morale all around for all of them is at -25. I heard this coach is a good guy, but maybe he got in to the coaching so he could get in with the teaching, and he is teacing at the high school now. No problem with that, but it's time to move on and maybe go back to baseball. Being a nice guy and a good player don't make a good coach.

[prospector]

Prospector you seem pretty close to the program, whats the answer and as one stated before with all the coach bashing who would want that job?

well,, the people it this program are upset with the JOB this coach is doing thus, voice their opinions. so being our economy is at an extreme low and JOBS are at a premium, (yes it its a job he gets paid) i would feel that someone with qualifications is out there and interested

[ImissMYhockey]

Actually if I recall a couple of years back they sat at the top of D2 for bantams?

But I do agree let the guy do his job and let the kids play the game without cutting them after every game.

Yes, they helped significantly to their teams getting and winning state titles with Cretin in 06 and Hill last year in 08. Too bad it wasn't for MV.

Also just an interesting fact but despite all the bashing of the coach MV did beat Stillwater in section quarter finals last year for their first win in sections for over 10 years so the coach did something right.

Please help me understand who on that team helped Cretin in 06 and Hill in 08?

It seems that some on here are close to the program and other just pipe in with no real knowledge. I would suggest if you don't know whats really going on to not say much or anything.

For Cretin in 06:
Sean Scott
Ryan McDounagh (Mr. Hockey 07')
Collin McDounagh
For Hill in 08:
Joe Phillippi (Frank Brimsek Award)
When Hill was in state in 06 there were more players on their team for instance: Derek McCallum, Kevin Cassidy, Phillippi, Mike Hoeffel, and there might be more. Also that year, Totino Grace was in state and they had Joe Bennek and Jack Reis on their team.
If all the players that left MV in 06 had stayed they could have had a state championship caliber team. Every year a couple of players leave, the list can go on and on. In order to get your players to stay you have to win and that is something MV cant seem to do. Woodbury is a good example of how a program got turned around.

[1parent]

Yes, they helped significantly to their teams getting and winning state titles with Cretin in 06 and Hill last year in 08. Too bad it wasn't for MV.

Also just an interesting fact but despite all the bashing of the coach MV did beat Stillwater in section quarter finals last year for their first win in sections for over 10 years so the coach did something right.

Please help me understand who on that team helped Cretin in 06 and Hill in 08?

It seems that some on here are close to the program and other just pipe in with no real knowledge. I would suggest if you don't know whats really going on to not say much or anything.

For Cretin in 06:
Sean Scott
Ryan McDounagh (Mr. Hockey 07')
Collin McDounagh
For Hill in 08:
Joe Phillippi (Frank Brimsek Award)
When Hill was in state in 06 there were more players on their team for instance: Derek McCallum, Kevin Cassidy, Phillippi, Mike Hoeffel, and there might be more. Also that year, Totino Grace was in state and they had Joe Bennek and Jack Reis on their team.
If all the players that left MV in 06 had stayed they could have had a state championship caliber team. Every year a couple of players leave, the list can go on and on. In order to get your players to stay you have to win and that is something MV cant seem to do. Woodbury is a good example of how a program got turned around.

Those guys didn't play on the youth team a couple of years ago try more like 5-6 years ago. And ya it sucks they left. A couple of years back would have been the 06-07 season and that bantam team was 1 or 2 of District 2 correct. If I recall correctly the only player from that team that left was Wolter which never should have taken place. I might be wrong.
Its time to stop loosing players at MV but if what everyone says is correct that players on the team don't want to play for the coaching staff what would make a young youth player want to stay and play? I see people bash coaches on here all the time why not support your program and see how the season ends. It looks like they still have some big games left.

[oldtimehockeyguy]

Lets be clear. Yes MV has lost a lot of players over the years. The issue is not about players leaving that leads to the unhappiness that exist at MV. I know a lot of these parents and players. Win loss is not the issue. They just want more for their kids. They want more leadership and accountabilty. The players on varsity and JV have lost the desire to play. From what I have learned, it is not just this year. This issue goes back 3 years.
Players just want to be treated with respect. The coach does not have to be their best friend just consistant and fair. There is a complete disconnect from all of the stories that I have heard. Hockey player play hockey from the age of 5 for most. Their dreams consist of playing for the HS team and this seems to be lost by the current leadership. No matter what sport you play, if the players are not having fun, they will not be successful.
I could write a book about all the stories that I have heard at MV and the problems. Winning is the last issue that concerns these parents.

[youngblood08]

Just about the entire varsity team ( maybe minus 1) are ready for a change in leadership. This varisty coach is in his 4th year there. Loads of players have left and the ones left are starting to feel it too. This coach doesn't know how to coach kids, because he never did until he came to Mounds View. He was a baseball player and then played some college hockey at Augsburg al little bit and coached there as an assistant. He didn't have any experience coaching kids until he started at MV. Most of these kids want to work hard- and have yet to ever skate a practice as hard as they did in Bantams. Between periods he doesn't even talk to his players. They might as well be out there without a coach. The man has zero communication skills. The Defensive coach has one line play shifts from 4-6 minutes long, which in turn leaves them so gassed they can't play the game. He lets the other players sit on the bench, that is when the goals start coming in. This same line gets scored on when MV is on the power play. All I've got to say is keep this coaching duo and watch the players leave. It is a sad state when Junior Gold is looking like a better option next year for most of these kids that are currently playing varsity.

Thanks for SOLIDIFIYING my point. How many coaches in how many years? Yet the same old song and dance.

What makes a good mule? Some mules need to be whipped to pull others just pull because it's their job. Sounds like it's more of a problem with the mules if they need that much encouragement.

[prospector]

Just about the entire varsity team ( maybe minus 1) are ready for a change in leadership. This varisty coach is in his 4th year there. Loads of players have left and the ones left are starting to feel it too. This coach doesn't know how to coach kids, because he never did until he came to Mounds View. He was a baseball player and then played some college hockey at Augsburg al little bit and coached there as an assistant. He didn't have any experience coaching kids until he started at MV. Most of these kids want to work hard- and have yet to ever skate a practice as hard as they did in Bantams. Between periods he doesn't even talk to his players. They might as well be out there without a coach. The man has zero communication skills. The Defensive coach has one line play shifts from 4-6 minutes long, which in turn leaves them so gassed they can't play the game. He lets the other players sit on the bench, that is when the goals start coming in. This same line gets scored on when MV is on the power play. All I've got to say is keep this coaching duo and watch the players leave. It is a sad state when Junior Gold is looking like a better option next year for most of these kids that are currently playing varsity.

Thanks for SOLIDIFIYING my point. How many coaches in how many years? Yet the same old song and dance.

What makes a good mule? Some mules need to be whipped to pull others just pull because it's their job. Sounds like it's more of a problem with the mules if they need that much encouragement.

this system of coaching has been given time to work( 4years) and it hasent so you make a change its not as if the coach has not had any time to work in the program. he has and it isnt being effective. Just like a player if they cannot produce find someone that can.. and in this case production isnt just winning hockey games.... but winning helps this staff has displayed that "winning isnt the objective" and the players end up not caring or trying, which leads to very poor morale. When the players are upset the parents react pretty simple

[fffhockey]

These players (mules) want to be worked hard. Want to be better. I 've seen most of the games this season and the coaches don't even go in the locker room between periods. On the bench preparing for an overtime period or using a timeout- and don't say anything to the players.
They practice the same crap everyday and barely work up a sweat. At the very least they could be in top physical shape- that is one area where they could be making progress. They've got some talent and its just not being used.

[prospector]

These players (mules) want to be worked hard. Want to be better. I 've seen most of the games this season and the coaches don't even go in the locker room between periods. On the bench preparing for an overtime period or using a timeout- and don't say anything to the players.
They practice the same crap everyday and barely work up a sweat. At the very least they could be in top physical shape- that is one area where they could be making progress. They've got some talent and its just not being used.

this is true the coaches do not make an effort to communicate between periods (most of the time) they dont make the effort to attempt to win the players want to do what it takes but the coaches wont. i actually feel,, they(coaches) think that the players are responsible adults / they are KIDS they need to be led. this coach needs to understand what he is coaching/ and who they are....

[wiseguy]

Lets be clear. Yes MV has lost a lot of players over the years. The issue is not about players leaving that leads to the unhappiness that exist at MV. I know a lot of these parents and players. Win loss is not the issue. They just want more for their kids. They want more leadership and accountabilty. The players on varsity and JV have lost the desire to play. From what I have learned, it is not just this year. This issue goes back 3 years.
Players just want to be treated with respect. The coach does not have to be their best friend just consistant and fair. There is a complete disconnect from all of the stories that I have heard. Hockey player play hockey from the age of 5 for most. Their dreams consist of playing for the HS team and this seems to be lost by the current leadership. No matter what sport you play, if the players are not having fun, they will not be successful.
I could write a book about all the stories that I have heard at MV and the problems. Winning is the last issue that concerns these parents.

Looks like the entire staff is under the gun from the members of the minnhock forum!

[BodyShots]

I noticed at the end of the WBL game a bunch of MV players surrounded coach Nitti from WBL. This surprised me since I thought coach Nitti was booted out of MV several years ago.

What's up with that?

[prospector]

I noticed at the end of the WBL game a bunch of MV players surrounded coach Nitti from WBL. This surprised me since I thought coach Nitti was booted out of MV several years ago.

What's up with that?

maybe its a show of appolagy and they probably have mor respect for him than their own coach

[fffhockey]

Most of the kids on this team never even met Nitti before. A few of the seniors may have played for him, but I'm not even sure about that. He's been gone for 4 years. I think most of the people that forced him out are long gone or their kids never made the high school team. Ask some of the WB players about the recent game. The one I spoke with said MV top defense line were horrible, they let in 6 goals. Last time they played it was a one goal game, and WB scored on an empty net w/ seconds to go. That was this season, but oh so long ago.

[The Exiled One]

Here's an idea... combine Irondale and Mounds View at the varsity level... they're the same school district anyway. I know the players in either system will hate this idea because of pride, but the opportunity to play for a competitive team would ultimately keep top players "in the system". Irondale could save some kids from going TG while Mounds View would save some kids from going to Hill. Thoughts?

[fffhockey]

I have always thought that would probably be good for both schools.

[Elvis]

Here's an idea... combine Irondale and Mounds View at the varsity level... they're the same school district anyway. I know the players in either system will hate this idea because of pride, but the opportunity to play for a competitive team would ultimately keep top players "in the system". Irondale could save some kids from going TG while Mounds View would save some kids from going to Hill. Thoughts?

Unless there is a terrible problem with numbers, there is no reason to co-op (isn't Irondale already with another school? St. Anthony perhaps?). Both schools have JV and Varsity programs correct?