3-6 minute shifts for players?

[fffhockey]

Does anyone know why a coach would keep players on the ice this long in a high school game? You don't see that happening on any teams from the NHL to mites. Has anyone ever seen this happening on their team?
Please someone help me understand this.

[pondpucker13]

Does anyone know why a coach would keep players on the ice this long in a high school game? You don't see that happening on any teams from the NHL to mites. Has anyone ever seen this happening on their team?
Please someone help me understand this.

Where did you see this happening? The only time I can remember seeing such a long shift was Aaron Ness in the waning minutesof the state tournament game against Hill Murray last year. Of course I don't get to watch as much HS hockey as I used to so maybe I'm missing something.

[fffhockey]

This happens every game at Mounds View. Seriously what are these coaches thinking. People without any kids on the team have even started to notice of this stuff. They have started to leave a senior D and sometimes his line mate out that long every game. Happens a little bit on some forward lines too, but nothing compared to the D. This is high school hockey folks. Yesterday they got pummeled by White Bear and never changed up that strategy, in fact the it looks like it got worse at the towards the end of the game. I think 6 goals went in on this line. Ask White Bear they were there. This is not an exaggeration, why are these coaches continuing to do this. If you have your favorites play them more, but you gotta keep them fresh. This team is underconditioned the way it is. They already have trouble putting the puck in the net. This just sets the rest of the team and goalie up for failure. Looks like the head coach must be okay with this, because he never steps in. This team has no super stars. They need to use everything they have and every player they have to win any game.

[EHSHack]

Forbort has occasionally had 2 min shifts but thats about it. Is it even physically possible to play a game 6 min shifts without the kids passing out?

[bluelinebandit]

Yep, I don't think it is at 6 miutes too often- but I've seen it at 4 all the time, especially with the D at MV. As a spectator, former high school player and coach of 13 years- I am stunned at what I've seen there. I know it wasn't like that last year.

[bluelinebandit]

Come on we all know 2 minute shifts are long enough. And while every game does present a different set of circumstance. What is the head coach thinking here? Isn't he in charge of the D coach. Doesn't he see what is going on on his own bench. From what I've heard the morale is low and that comes as no surprise after seeing this first hand for myself.
I wonder what #4 thinks, it's hard to think that even as a player wanting ice time that he wants to be out there for that long. I think he was out there for like 6 goals against WB yesterday. I watch a lot of games in this conference and I don't remember that happening a lot last year.

[prospector]

i have seen this i have also heard that on some occasions the players want to come off because they are exhausted but the coach (Head Coach) makes them stay on so its all coaching i dont know if he feels that these players are better at 60-70% than the others on the bench, but that how it appears.

[HardF1]

Go hard for 45 seconds and get off!

[artifactually153]

Go hard for 45 seconds and get off!

thats what she said.

[prospector]

Go hard for 45 seconds and get off!

i agree but the coach wont let them off the ice he makes them stay on for 2-3-4 or more,,, now who is at fault

[bluelinebandit]

I don't call that coaching. I'm not sure what you call that. 20 + varsity players who are from freshman to senior class can't all be the problem here. There are players at that high school who chose not to even try out for the team because of the coaching. The talent lost in the past few years is large and increasing every year.

[oldtimehockeyguy]

That's another problem. Why does the MV coach cut top players every year. Last season, I was told that they had a 18 player turn over from the prvious year with Senior graduation 5 and 13 seniors who were cut or quit during the season and one kicked off.

[prospector]

this coach acts like this is some sort of super-privlidge to be on his team and the players are responsible for their own morale, additude and conditioning. He is just there to set up a game plan and the plan he has, hasnt worked.

[1parent]

That's another problem. Why does the MV coach cut top players every year. Last season, I was told that they had a 18 player turn over from the prvious year with Senior graduation 5 and 13 seniors who were cut or quit during the season and one kicked off.

Top players being cut?
Who are some top players that got cut last year and please tell me who some are that got cut this year? If the senior couldn't make it as a junior in this program and his senior season comes but there is now a junior that brings the same thing to the table you will see a lot of program take the junior over the senior, not just MV. I'm not backing the coach but in the statement you made that happens all over unless you are right by saying that these kids that got cut are the top end players in the program but that is hard to believe. You have a chance to prove me wrong though!

[prospector]

That's another problem. Why does the MV coach cut top players every year. Last season, I was told that they had a 18 player turn over from the prvious year with Senior graduation 5 and 13 seniors who were cut or quit during the season and one kicked off.

Top players being cut?
Who are some top players that got cut last year and please tell me who some are that got cut this year? If the senior couldn't make it as a junior in this program and his senior season comes but there is now a junior that brings the same thing to the table you will see a lot of program take the junior over the senior, not just MV. I'm not backing the coach but in the statement you made that happens all over unless you are right by saying that these kids that got cut are the top end players in the program but that is hard to believe. You have a chance to prove me wrong though!

this year "Vallella" by far the best player at try outs how ever has an additude issue but a good player ( the coach cannot deal with kids and aparently has no influence so none of the players play) i good coach is also a good mentor and this ne is not

[oldtimehockeyguy]

That's another problem. Why does the MV coach cut top players every year. Last season, I was told that they had a 18 player turn over from the prvious year with Senior graduation 5 and 13 seniors who were cut or quit during the season and one kicked off.

Top players being cut?
Who are some top players that got cut last year and please tell me who some are that got cut this year? If the senior couldn't make it as a junior in this program and his senior season comes but there is now a junior that brings the same thing to the table you will see a lot of program take the junior over the senior, not just MV. I'm not backing the coach but in the statement you made that happens all over unless you are right by saying that these kids that got cut are the top end players in the program but that is hard to believe. You have a chance to prove me wrong though!

I am not going to detail why a player makes it from year to year. I heard that this year they cut a player vellala who was one of the top line players. As far as taking juniors over Seniors you are wrong. You always go with a senior if they are capable of making the team. The concept of bringing younger player in over upper classmen is wrong. A coach should play the best players from year to year. This is not pro hockey.
MV has cut players who lettered 2 years. They have had players who lettered one year and quite the next. Last year from what I understand, 6 players who lettered quite or were cut. Sound like a great program.
If a Senior brings the same game to the table as a Junior, you take the senior. Any other notion is wrong.

[1parent]

That's another problem. Why does the MV coach cut top players every year. Last season, I was told that they had a 18 player turn over from the prvious year with Senior graduation 5 and 13 seniors who were cut or quit during the season and one kicked off.

Top players being cut?
Who are some top players that got cut last year and please tell me who some are that got cut this year? If the senior couldn't make it as a junior in this program and his senior season comes but there is now a junior that brings the same thing to the table you will see a lot of program take the junior over the senior, not just MV. I'm not backing the coach but in the statement you made that happens all over unless you are right by saying that these kids that got cut are the top end players in the program but that is hard to believe. You have a chance to prove me wrong though!

this year "Vallella" by far the best player at try outs how ever has an additude issue but a good player ( the coach cannot deal with kids and aparently has no influence so none of the players play) i good coach is also a good mentor and this ne is not

Isn't that the same kid that quit on the team last year? If so why should the coach take him back. So thats the only top end player and the coach is at fault for that? If players don't like to play for the guy thats fine and up to them but it seems that people come on here and bash coaches and players and don't know the whole side of things. Its true if the players don't buy in to whats being sold and don't want to play anymore and are leaving for other schools because of the coaching staff than yes something needs to be done but lets not stretch things because we don't have to go face to face and we can sit behind a key board.

[oldtimehockeyguy]

Top players being cut?
Who are some top players that got cut last year and please tell me who some are that got cut this year? If the senior couldn't make it as a junior in this program and his senior season comes but there is now a junior that brings the same thing to the table you will see a lot of program take the junior over the senior, not just MV. I'm not backing the coach but in the statement you made that happens all over unless you are right by saying that these kids that got cut are the top end players in the program but that is hard to believe. You have a chance to prove me wrong though!

this year "Vallella" by far the best player at try outs how ever has an additude issue but a good player ( the coach cannot deal with kids and aparently has no influence so none of the players play) i good coach is also a good mentor and this ne is not

Isn't that the same kid that quit on the team last year? If so why should the coach take him back. So thats the only top end player and the coach is at fault for that? If players don't like to play for the guy thats fine and up to them but it seems that people come on here and bash coaches and players and don't know the whole side of things. Its true if the players don't buy in to whats being sold and don't want to play anymore and are leaving for other schools because of the coaching staff than yes something needs to be done but lets not stretch things because we don't have to go face to face and we can sit behind a key board.

Lets leave it at that. We do not agree. It sounds like you would work well with this coaching staff. It sounds like you have personal kowledge of the situation. My info come from concerned parents and players. If you played the game, you would understand how bad things have to be to quit the game. MV has had too many quality kids quit a game they played all their lives

[wiseguy]

That's another problem. Why does the MV coach cut top players every year. Last season, I was told that they had a 18 player turn over from the prvious year with Senior graduation 5 and 13 seniors who were cut or quit during the season and one kicked off.

Top players being cut?
Who are some top players that got cut last year and please tell me who some are that got cut this year? If the senior couldn't make it as a junior in this program and his senior season comes but there is now a junior that brings the same thing to the table you will see a lot of program take the junior over the senior, not just MV. I'm not backing the coach but in the statement you made that happens all over unless you are right by saying that these kids that got cut are the top end players in the program but that is hard to believe. You have a chance to prove me wrong though!

I am not going to detail why a player makes it from year to year. I heard that this year they cut a player vellala who was one of the top line players. As far as taking juniors over Seniors you are wrong. You always go with a senior if they are capable of making the team. The concept of bringing younger player in over upper classmen is wrong. A coach should play the best players from year to year. This is not pro hockey.
MV has cut players who lettered 2 years. They have had players who lettered one year and quite the next. Last year from what I understand, 6 players who lettered quite or were cut. Sound like a great program.
If a Senior brings the same game to the table as a Junior, you take the senior. Any other notion is wrong.

Go back and read my statement and than tell me I'm wrong. I said if the Senior wasn't able to make it as a Junior (no varsity experience)and now as a senior there is a Junior that brings the same to the table a lot of program will take the Junior. It doesn't make one right or wrong.

[ImissMYhockey]

Last year some of the seniors didn't even try out because they wanted to pursue "other activities" that were more permittable on Junior Gold. Yes some seniors got cut but there were 18 from the previous year!!!!! Is he supposed to take all the seniors and put other deserving players on JV or just not take any underclassmen when they bring the same to the table?? Every team has to cut seniors.
Also on Vilella, he QUIT!!!! the team last year to go play for some crappy Junior AAA team. Why should a coach allow a kid back onto the team when he quit the previous year? What kind of message would he be sending??? It's similar to the Hill situation where the coach lets the kids go to show them that their actions are not ok.

[wiseguy]

this year "Vallella" by far the best player at try outs how ever has an additude issue but a good player ( the coach cannot deal with kids and aparently has no influence so none of the players play) i good coach is also a good mentor and this ne is not

Isn't that the same kid that quit on the team last year? If so why should the coach take him back. So thats the only top end player and the coach is at fault for that? If players don't like to play for the guy thats fine and up to them but it seems that people come on here and bash coaches and players and don't know the whole side of things. Its true if the players don't buy in to whats being sold and don't want to play anymore and are leaving for other schools because of the coaching staff than yes something needs to be done but lets not stretch things because we don't have to go face to face and we can sit behind a key board.

Lets leave it at that. We do not agree. It sounds like you would work well with this coaching staff. It sounds like you have personal kowledge of the situation. My info come from concerned parents and players. If you played the game, you would understand how bad things have to be to quit the game. MV has had too many quality kids quit a game they played all their lives

I do agree like I said if players don't buy in to whats being sold and they don't want to play anymore or are leaving for other schools then change is needed in a program. But your original statement was top end players keep getting cut and from last year this is a kid that quit the team so why should he be let back? Maybe I don't know enough and it was family issues or health issues. The statement about me working well with this staff shows a lot about you. You know nothing at all about me but because I bring up a point that you didn't read clearly and other programs do the same on I would fit in with this staff. Come on.

[wiseguy]

Last year some of the seniors didn't even try out because they wanted to pursue "other activities" that were more permittable on Junior Gold. Yes some seniors got cut but there were 18 from the previous year!!!!! Is he supposed to take all the seniors and put other deserving players on JV or just not take any underclassmen when they bring the same to the table?? Every team has to cut seniors.
Also on Vilella, he QUIT!!!! the team last year to go play for some crappy Junior AAA team. Why should a coach allow a kid back onto the team when he quit the previous year? What kind of message would he be sending??? It's similar to the Hill situation where the coach lets the kids go to show them that their actions are not ok.

OLDTIME - Looks like me and ImissMYhockey should contact the staff and join as we just don't get it.

[wiseguy]

I am not going to detail why a player makes it from year to year. I heard that this year they cut a player vellala who was one of the top line players. As far as taking juniors over Seniors you are wrong. You always go with a senior if they are capable of making the team. The concept of bringing younger player in over upper classmen is wrong. A coach should play the best players from year to year. This is not pro hockey.
MV has cut players who lettered 2 years. They have had players who lettered one year and quite the next. Last year from what I understand, 6 players who lettered quite or were cut. Sound like a great program.
If a Senior brings the same game to the table as a Junior, you take the senior. Any other notion is wrong.[/quote]

Oldtime - Since you think I'm crazy why don't you start a link about Seniors and Juniors that bring the same to the table and the Senior wasn't good enough to make it as a junior. I bet you'll see that 100% of people say YOU ALWAYS TAK THE SENIOR AND ANY OTHER NOTION IS WRONG!

[badgerman18]

last year century had a D that was on both power plays and they were playing West and West kept taking penalties, the D was out there for about 8 1/2 minutes

[minnhockclub]

[quote="wiseguy"]I am not going to detail why a player makes it from year to year. I heard that this year they cut a player vellala who was one of the top line players. [b]As far as taking juniors over Seniors you are wrong. You always go with a senior if they are capable of making the team. The concept of bringing younger player in over upper classmen is wrong.[/b] A coach should play the best players from year to year. This is not pro hockey.
MV has cut players who lettered 2 years. They have had players who lettered one year and quite the next. Last year from what I understand, 6 players who lettered quite or were cut. Sound like a great program.
[b]If a Senior brings the same game to the table as a Junior, you take the senior. Any other notion is wrong.[/quote[/b]]

Oldtime - Since you think I'm crazy why don't you start a link about Seniors and Juniors that bring the same to the table and the Senior wasn't good enough to make it as a junior. I bet you'll see that 100% of people say YOU ALWAYS TAK THE SENIOR AND ANY OTHER NOTION IS WRONG![/quote]

I have been watching these posts. This topic has gotten way off track. Oldtime-wise and miss hock all have points. I would say that oldtime gets the info correct as far as MV goes. If he only new all of the details about the program. His stats , although second had are correct. I will not detail names on this sight but there have been better players cut from MV then some of the players selected. Last year especially. This years team does not have the best players on varsity. How do you place a underclassmen on the team ahead of juniors and seniors after a 3 day tryout. The issues with this team go into greater detail that I will not go into on this sight.
In regards to Gino, the coach is the one who said that he would except him back to the team then cut his butt in a brutal way after tryouts.