North St Paul Goalie Situation

pucknutz · Post by **pucknutz** » Mon Feb 02, 2009 11:57 pm

Word has it that NSP had 2 goaltenders quit , one in the middle of a game??? No playing time??? Okay I'm not a coach,but, why has 1 goalie played all but 1 game? The starters stats are average, but, cmon 1 fricken game??? I don't get it, why do coachs overlook the possibility of injuries, illness etc. My understanding is that the kid that left during the game had attended all hockey functions etc. Now isn't there some way to do this a little bit better? You look at these "backup" goalies and you wonder what their parents and the player are thinking. They go out everyday and work their tails off, just to sit on the bench and keep stats.

Rossbury21 · Post by **Rossbury21** » Tue Feb 03, 2009 1:09 am

Some coaches will never make sense to some people. But that seems to happen at a lot of schools in the state. I can't tell you what the coaches are thinking in this situation, but I can tell you that the players in that goalies situation do that because they love the game, and they love the camaraderie that comes with being part of a team.

bigbopper · Post by **bigbopper** » Tue Feb 03, 2009 10:55 am

I don't know anything about who quit, but I played against Teddy Joyce in a summer league and the kid looked pretty solid. I can't believe he doesn't see more starts. I mine come on where's North St. Paul going anyway!

Mistah Hockey · Post by **Mistah Hockey** » Tue Feb 03, 2009 10:58 am

it doesnt matter if the back up goalie comes everyday and works his "tail" off, the better player should start. If you got 2 goalies quitting, then i think it goes deeper then that anyway

hockey247 · Post by **hockey247** » Tue Feb 03, 2009 1:11 pm

All you need to do is ask around about the coaching at NSP and you will find the answer to why the kids are quiting. All the goalies they have are the same talent wise and the coach has played Toy all year. There has been no competion for the job and it is showing in Toy's play. Other thing to keep in mind is that the best goalie that NSP has is a 9th grader on the "A" bantam team. He tried out and was cut, again look at the coaching....

Moose Jaw, SK · Post by **Moose Jaw, SK** » Tue Feb 03, 2009 2:44 pm

hockey247 wrote:All you need to do is ask around about the coaching at NSP and you will find the answer to why the kids are quiting. All the goalies they have are the same talent wise and the coach has played Toy all year. There has been no competion for the job and it is showing in Toy's play. Other thing to keep in mind is that the best goalie that NSP has is a 9th grader on the "A" bantam team. He tried out and was cut, again look at the coaching....

At least you are modest.

pucknutz · Post by **pucknutz** » Tue Feb 03, 2009 3:50 pm

Rossbury21 wrote:Some coaches will never make sense to some people. But that seems to happen at a lot of schools in the state. I can't tell you what the coaches are thinking in this situation, but I can tell you that the players in that goalies situation do that because they love the game, and they love the camaraderie that comes with being part of a team.

You know I only used NSP to bring up the topic. Typically you have two goalies with very even talent...yet one of them see's less action. In the NSP case, nearly no action. Love of the game, means you actually play in a game.Im not for the PC everybody plays equally...but...

greenway1969 · Post by **greenway1969** » Tue Feb 03, 2009 5:06 pm

I have seen North play in two games (River Falls and H-M). They are easily the most undisciplined team I have seen. They take more needless penalties than anyone. No adjustments are made between periods. It does not appear that there is a connection between the players and coaches when the game is going on. There is some decent talent on the team, but I can't figure what system they are supposed to be playing.

johnnyquest · Post by **johnnyquest** » Tue Feb 03, 2009 5:41 pm

anyone who visits this forum understands the "starting goalie/back-up goalie" concept. 90% of the teams out there have one goalie they lean on a bit more (and in this case - a lot more) than the other, and when you go up against the #1 team in the world, then that's the goalie you go with. But there are teams out there you will play that provides the coaching staff an opportunity to play the other goalie. As a coach, you are still developing players and should have one eye on the future.

The back-up goalie that shows up day in and day out and works hard, deserves some "table scraps" and those opportunities are out there.
There is not a person in the world, be it an athlete, a white collar/blue collar worker, or a homemaker, who doesn't deserve some sort of gratification for his/her efforts!

prospector · Post by **prospector** » Tue Feb 03, 2009 6:32 pm

johnnyquest wrote:anyone who visits this forum understands the "starting goalie/back-up goalie" concept. 90% of the teams out there have one goalie they lean on a bit more (and in this case - a lot more) than the other, and when you go up against the #1 team in the world, then that's the goalie you go with. But there are teams out there you will play that provides the coaching staff an opportunity to play the other goalie. As a coach, you are still developing players and should have one eye on the future.

The back-up goalie that shows up day in and day out and works hard, deserves some "table scraps" and those opportunities are out there.
There is not a person in the world, be it an athlete, a white collar/blue collar worker, or a homemaker, who doesn't deserve some sort of gratification for his/her efforts!

I AGREE hard work should be rewarded however would you start your JV goalie on Varsity just to see how he will do why not throw a bunch of freshmen on the starting line and let them get a crack at it.. MY point is that it appears that in this case the #1 goalie is obviously better and has earned his spot as the started just like the other players. most coaches dont want to "roll the dice" in these situations. I have seen some programs have the "back up" play in the JV games to stay fresh....

mnhockeydadof2 · Post by **mnhockeydadof2** » Tue Feb 03, 2009 8:21 pm

[quote="hockey247"]All you need to do is ask around about the coaching at NSP and you will find the answer to why the kids are quiting. All the goalies they have are the same talent wise and the coach has played Toy all year. There has been no competion for the job and it is showing in Toy's play. Other thing to keep in mind is that the best goalie that NSP has is a 9th grader on the "A" bantam team. He tried out and was cut, again look at the coaching....[/quote]

Still mending a wounded ego, Pat?