AA Rankings for 2/8

[Slap Shot]

If I am so wrong about MG then explain to me why Lets Play Hockey has MG ranked #5 this week and Minnetonka #7.

That's merely a two spot difference - yours was eight (#3 and #11).

Also when trying to argue your rankings you originally said Tonka only had one good win (Edina), then in your next post it was two (adding AHA) - despite the fact they've beat 6 teams in the very same Lets Play Hockey ranking AA ranking you reference:

3 Edina
9 Holy Angels
11 Hill-Murray
13 Wayzata
16 Moorhead
17 Hopkins

And the losses they had (all to ranked teams) were all close games except for the Edina game at the Schwans which felt more than a 2 goal loss.

[HappyHockeyFan]

If I am so wrong about MG then explain to me why Lets Play Hockey has MG ranked #5 this week and Minnetonka #7.

That's merely a two spot difference - yours was eight (#3 and #11).

Also when trying to argue your rankings you originally said Tonka only had one good win (Edina), then in your next post it was two (adding AHA) - despite the fact they've beat 6 teams in the very same Lets Play Hockey ranking AA ranking you reference:

3 Edina
9 Holy Angels
11 Hill-Murray
13 Wayzata
16 Moorhead
17 Hopkins

And the losses they had (all to ranked teams) were all close games except for the Edina game at the Schwans which felt more than a 2 goal loss.

A loss is a loss, points are not awarded according to close losses differently than blowouts. They have not proven they can beat quality teams anymore than MG...like I also said the rest of the season will tell the story and things will change I am sure to a point. I will post my next rankings after this weeks final games are completed and perhaps tonka will close the gap on MG or even overtake them. But for now this is how it works out. And if I use the same formula for all the teams in my rankings then explain how everything else seems to be acceptable but those two teams and remember that was based on games previous to last weeks so you cannot count the EP win over Jefferson.

[Slap Shot]

And if I use the same formula for all the teams in my rankings then explain how everything else seems to be acceptable....

I'm not sure everything else is acceptable given the perceived discrepancy. But in reference to said "formula":

Basically its a formula I use to determine the rankings based on overall schedule and then recent games won/lost and then overall signature wins/losses...

In comparing MGHS and MHS:

1. How did you 'subjectively' rate their respective schedules? You'd have a hard time convincing anyone MG played the tougher schedule to date.
2. These two probably push on recent W/L.
3. How did you 'subjectively' credit each for, "overall signature wins/losses..."? I'd be curious which games you used for each team.

[talkofthetown17]

Actually I dont think so, Minnetonka hasnt been able to beat most of the top quality teams they have played this season except the recent edina win, they have something like 6 or 7 losses to top teams, MG only has two losses to top teams and has recently beat Centennial...they way it works out is if MNTKA had won one or two of those games against top teams they would be ahead of or at least close to MG..the formula is fine and I think down the road it will prove itself worthy, there are still a few games left for things to take shape and really prove my formula...like I say I stick by it as it has worked well in past years

How many games has MG played against the 'top quality' teams vs Minnetonka? My guess is not as many which skews that result. Two, did you count the Hopkins and AHA games as quality wins? Three, how do MHS and MGHS compare against like opponents if there are any? Four, the three links I provided all use mathematical formulas and all not only have MHS within 2-4 spots of MGHS, but ahead. When using your formula MHS easily matches MGHS for recent success and should beat them on SOS, so even if MHS has more losses against quality opponents it doesn't make sense that one comparison of 3 should put them that far behind.

Don't get me too wrong - I think it's cool that you've come up with your own concept and more power to you for giving it a shot. Just tossing in my $0.02 in.

It doesnt not matter that Tonka as played more games against quality competition its the fact that they have NOT won most of those games they have losses to Duluth East, St Thomas, Eden Prairie, Edina, BSM and Hopkins they have only beat Holy Angels and Edina and any team can have a bad night....take the Edina Victory, was that more solid play by Tonka or a bad night by Edina , I choose the later or maybe a combination. Overall MG has played stronger competition even though they have only played 3 top teams in Centennial twice and Blaine they have one win. Combined with that they only have Two losses both to Centennial and Blaine... They also beat Elk River Twice and Centennial lost to them last night. Like I said the rest of the season will tell the story, MG still has Blaine again...I believe my formula will prove true when the season is complete...I appreciate the discussion however as well as your opinions.

Good try on the whole making up facts things but maple did not beat elk river twice no team has but good try

[HappyHockeyFan]

How many games has MG played against the 'top quality' teams vs Minnetonka? My guess is not as many which skews that result. Two, did you count the Hopkins and AHA games as quality wins? Three, how do MHS and MGHS compare against like opponents if there are any? Four, the three links I provided all use mathematical formulas and all not only have MHS within 2-4 spots of MGHS, but ahead. When using your formula MHS easily matches MGHS for recent success and should beat them on SOS, so even if MHS has more losses against quality opponents it doesn't make sense that one comparison of 3 should put them that far behind.

Don't get me too wrong - I think it's cool that you've come up with your own concept and more power to you for giving it a shot. Just tossing in my $0.02 in.

It doesnt not matter that Tonka as played more games against quality competition its the fact that they have NOT won most of those games they have losses to Duluth East, St Thomas, Eden Prairie, Edina, BSM and Hopkins they have only beat Holy Angels and Edina and any team can have a bad night....take the Edina Victory, was that more solid play by Tonka or a bad night by Edina , I choose the later or maybe a combination. Overall MG has played stronger competition even though they have only played 3 top teams in Centennial twice and Blaine they have one win. Combined with that they only have Two losses both to Centennial and Blaine... They also beat Elk River Twice and Centennial lost to them last night. Like I said the rest of the season will tell the story, MG still has Blaine again...I believe my formula will prove true when the season is complete...I appreciate the discussion however as well as your opinions.

Good try on the whole making up facts things but maple did not beat elk river twice no team has but good try

Good call, my bad, one win and a tie...it doesnt change anything

[HappyHockeyFan]

And if I use the same formula for all the teams in my rankings then explain how everything else seems to be acceptable....

I'm not sure everything else is acceptable given the perceived discrepancy. But in reference to said "formula":

Basically its a formula I use to determine the rankings based on overall schedule and then recent games won/lost and then overall signature wins/losses...

In comparing MGHS and MHS:

1. How did you 'subjectively' rate their respective schedules? You'd have a hard time convincing anyone MG played the tougher schedule to date.
2. These two probably push on recent W/L.
3. How did you 'subjectively' credit each for, "overall signature wins/losses..."? I'd be curious which games you used for each team.

Its not about playing quality games its about WINNING quality games and Tonka hasnt won most of the ones they have played

[Roseauverrated]

Maple Grove plays an easy schedule. They're overrated and won't go anywhere this year.

[Papa Bergundy]

And if I use the same formula for all the teams in my rankings then explain how everything else seems to be acceptable....

I'm not sure everything else is acceptable given the perceived discrepancy. But in reference to said "formula":

Basically its a formula I use to determine the rankings based on overall schedule and then recent games won/lost and then overall signature wins/losses...

In comparing MGHS and MHS:

1. How did you 'subjectively' rate their respective schedules? You'd have a hard time convincing anyone MG played the tougher schedule to date.
2. These two probably push on recent W/L.
3. How did you 'subjectively' credit each for, "overall signature wins/losses..."? I'd be curious which games you used for each team.

Its not about playing quality games its about WINNING quality games and Tonka hasnt won most of the ones they have played

Pick one! You say it doesn't matter about playing, only winning.

In that case Tonka has the edge. Maple Grove is 2-2-2 against rated teams. (Elk River, Centennial, Blaine and Wayzata). On the contrary Minnetonka is 7-6. (DE, EP, HM, Edina, BSM, AHA, Moorhead and Hopkins).

I never claimed myself a mathmetician but Maple Grove's winning pct. is .500 while Tonka's sits at one game above. Moorhead being ranked is a stretch, but I personally think thats a quality win. Either way maybe Tonka hasn't won most of their ranked games, but NEITHER HAS MAPLE GROVE.

And this formula you have which includes recent win/loss also doesn't back your theory. Tonka is 6-1 in their last seven ranked games. Hmm, that sounds impressive to me.

By this formula, the three categories are schedule, overall record and win/loss vs ranked opponents. I see Tonka with the edge 2-1. Which could very well be the score if these two teams played.

In my own personal opinion, I think they're one in the same. You can't blame Tonka for losing more to top teams, and you can't blame Maple Grove for not playing more top teams. But don't try and say one time is head and shoulders above the other.

[Roseauverrated]

Papa Bergundy, I'd like to add to your point by noting that Tonka's games have been against more high-end ranked teams that have proven themselves whereas Maple Grove's few games against ranked teams were against lower-end teams or teams that have not proven themselves to be up there.

[HappyHockeyFan]

Ok, well it seems that we are never going to see eye to eye on this so it seems pointless to continue hammering away on it. Besides the rankings are changing by the day anyway. The last thing I will say is that I am not the only one who see's it this way as LPH has MG over Tonka as well, maybe not by as much as I do but never the less they do. Like I said before, I stand by my formula. If you want to continue to bash then why dont you wait until my new rankings come out at the end of the regular season. Again I appreciate the discussion as well as your opinions....

[cody53193]

1. Edina
2. Eden Prairie
3. Jefferson
4. Centennial
5. Blaine
6. Duluth East
7. Minnetonka
8. Holy Angels
9. Maple Grove
10. Elk River/Zimmerman

Others:
Woodbury, Tartan, Benilde, Hopkins, and Wayzata

[cody53193]

1. Edina
2. Eden Prairie
3. Jefferson
4. Centennial
5. Blaine
6. Duluth East
7. Minnetonka
8. Holy Angels
9. Maple Grove
10. Elk River/Zimmerman

Others:
Woodbury, Tartan, Benilde, Hopkins, and Wayzata

[Slap Shot]

Ok, well it seems that we are never going to see eye to eye on this so it seems pointless to continue hammering away on it. Besides the rankings are changing by the day anyway. The last thing I will say is that I am not the only one who see's it this way as LPH has MG over Tonka as well, maybe not by as much as I do but never the less they do. Like I said before, I stand by my formula. If you want to continue to bash then why dont you wait until my new rankings come out at the end of the regular season. Again I appreciate the discussion as well as your opinions....

No one is bashing it - we're simply asking you to specifically spell out what you're using to give the edge to MG for overall schedule and "signature wins/losses". Your continued refusal to do so brings it into suspect.