CoachHookom wrote:As a coach, seeding take away from the purpose of a state tournament.
I can see why you seed the top four teams, but seeding all teams would basically make a cinderella story a thing of the past.
Go back to rotating the sections and see what happens. The tournament had a more thrilling tone to it back then.
Why would a coach come on and post on this board? I am sure coach Grosso or your A.D. would not be too thrilled knowing you were on here???
Don't you have other things to worry about this time of year than checking out some highschool board?
close, but not exactly Lucia4President, in the NCAA tourneys in basketball and hockey they have 4 regions which are seeded 1-16 or 1-4 (I think), then the winners come together in the end in a final 4. Which is just like how it was for the state hockey tourney before we seeded, which is what is being suggested; to not seed state.
"Goldy said that they should seed every team in the state, and play the bracket straight through. Last time I checked, that's pretty similar to the NCAA basketball tourney."
HShockeywatcher wrote:close, but not exactly Lucia4President, in the NCAA tourneys in basketball and hockey they have 4 regions which are seeded 1-16 or 1-4 (I think), then the winners come together in the end in a final 4. Which is just like how it was for the state hockey tourney before we seeded, which is what is being suggested; to not seed state.
"Goldy said that they should seed every team in the state, and play the bracket straight through. Last time I checked, that's pretty similar to the NCAA basketball tourney."
You're wrong, they don't seed all 64 teams...
I didn't say it's exactly what the NCAA basketball tourney does. Similar
You ripped on Goldy by saying "NCAA bball doesn't seed...news to me" when he in fact he did mention that the NCAA bball tourney is seeded.
The whole thing isn't seeded. Which is exactly like how it was before the state tourney was seeded. Not similar, but exactly.
What we do now is basically like if they took the top 64 teams, made 8 regions, seeded them 1-8, once they got the winners, seeded the top 4 1-4 and the others would be random.
Have fun telling me what one word I missed in this point while missing punctuation
The whole thing isn't seeded. Which is exactly like how it was before the state tourney was seeded. Not similar, but exactly.
What we do now is basically like if they took the top 64 teams, made 8 regions, seeded them 1-8, once they got the winners, seeded the top 4 1-4 and the others would be random.
Have fun telling me what one word I missed in this point while missing punctuation
Haha, this is getting ridiculous. The bold is what Goldy said. You quoted him and came back with "the NCAA tourney doesn't seed- news to me." I responded to you by saying that Goldy never said they didn't seed the bball tourney. You came back at me and said they don't seed all 64 teams, and I finished by telling you that GG said it was similar to the NCAA tourney, not exactly alike.
If that isn't what you got out of the exchange, PM me or something.
CoachHookom wrote:As a coach, seeding take away from the purpose of a state tournament.
I can see why you seed the top four teams, but seeding all teams would basically make a cinderella story a thing of the past.
Go back to rotating the sections and see what happens. The tournament had a more thrilling tone to it back then.
Why would a coach come on and post on this board? I am sure coach Grosso or your A.D. would not be too thrilled knowing you were on here???
Don't you have other things to worry about this time of year than checking out some highschool board?
I am sure you are really not that naïve to think that Coach Hookom is the only coach to come on these boards to read and comment on threads. He is the exception that he is willing to put his name on his comments and not stay behind an anonymous name.
The whole thing isn't seeded. Which is exactly like how it was before the state tourney was seeded. Not similar, but exactly.
What we do now is basically like if they took the top 64 teams, made 8 regions, seeded them 1-8, once they got the winners, seeded the top 4 1-4 and the others would be random.
Have fun telling me what one word I missed in this point while missing punctuation
NCAA basketball doesn't re-seed when they get to the elite 8, they just play the brackets straight through. My whole point is that every team in the state is seeded, and then put in a bracket which can be seen here.
Here Watcher I'll make it simple, you're over thinking this.....
The NCAA seeds teams 1-16 in 4 brackets, the brackets don't change as the tournament moves on.
The MSHSL seeds teams 1-10 or however many teams are in each section into 8 brackets, the brackets never used to change as the tournament moved on. Now they re-seed at the state tournament.
goldy313 wrote:Here Watcher I'll make it simple, you're over thinking this.....
The NCAA seeds teams 1-16 in 4 brackets, the brackets don't change as the tournament moves on.
The MSHSL seeds teams 1-10 or however many teams are in each section into 8 brackets, the brackets never used to change as the tournament moved on. Now they re-seed at the state tournament.
What's all the whining about, when you get there you have to win 3 games and it shouldn't matter if it is the first round, second, or third you still have to win them all. if you couldn't beat them in the first round you more than likely wont beat them in the finals . I think there doing fine with the set up they have. plain and simple win all 3
goldy313, what you explained is EXACTLY what I was saying, I just didn't need it spelled out for me, like Goldy Gopher obviously does...
I'm pretty sure that Goldy and I had been saying similar things. My only point in response to his first comment was that what he is suggesting is an imperfect science. The NCAA reconfigures the 4 regions every year around the talent, they MSHSL doesn't. If we did the voted on top 4 teams heading each of these "regions" or voted on top 8, or what have you, that would be different. Which is why I made the comment about not seeding, as they do. The four #1 seeds are basically the top 4 teams in the country. In high school hockey the eight #1 seeds are not the top 8 teams in the state.
Like always, instead of asking a question, we jump to disrespect and attacking, which is why we got to where we did.
nungitchida, that is true with no consolation round, like they do in WI, but with a consolation round you shouldn't be sending the 2nd best team to the consolation round because they got paired with the 1st best team.
Additionally, with a limited number of games and scheduling difficulties, a team could be one of the top three teams, but not have proven it yet. Like Little Falls last year. I will completely agree 100% that if one, and only one, trophy is given out each year, seeding doesn't matter, but when you decide to give out 2+, it does and all teams should be seeded.
In a sport, which shall not be named, the #2 team lost to the #1 team a few years ago in the first round. The #1 team ended up winning it all and a runner-up trophy was given to the team who went 2-1. In reality the two other teams who lost to the #1 team were just as much runner ups as them. Without seeding, this is an issue. If only the first place trophy is given out, no issue. We give out 5 trophies, I think, to do it right we must seed everyone.
Comparing high school athletics to the NCAA is not even close to apples to apples. The top four teams in March Madness usually don't make the final four either.
Goldy313 - It seems we agree if I understand you correctly - go back to the old way? I always look at the quarterfinal games Mayo had and there were some tough draws - most notably 97 against Duluth East (no losses into the tourney and were beaten by Edina 1-0 in the finals); 99 lost to Roseau 4-2 (en), and Blaine in 2000 - both of those teams won the title.
I am just giving my opinion and it is not just for Section 1AA, but the rotation was nice, even though sometimes 7AA played 8AA. Since I am part of the coaches association, I think I am entitled to an opinion on this SouthernMNScout. See my private message for more info.
Lucia - Good to see you when we were up North. Too bad we did not play well and execute the game plan. Obviously letting Tardy walk out of the corner and score goals was not what as drawn up on the board in practice that week.
Mitch and Lee - thanks for getting rid of the garbage posts on the other thread. I understand my manifesto was part of the chopping block for good reason. Please send me a private message or email if you have any problem with my posts.
The current 1-4 seeding process is not bad, but not my preference. I was happy the first year that the seeded teams went down. Even last year we saw a couple of upsets in the semis and final. People are right, you have to win 3 games to win it all. However, sometimes the cinderella team is looking for the right match-up, get that first win and then the pressure mounts on the favorites.
