12UB #2 vs #4 and #4 vs Cent. Black Today - Predictions?

HockeyMom5 · Post by **HockeyMom5** » Mon Feb 16, 2009 2:05 pm

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JohnnyBuck · Post by **JohnnyBuck** » Mon Feb 16, 2009 2:16 pm

Proctor missed its goalie in the Duluth tournament. Got hurt the pratice before. They had a 10U play goalie that had never played. Lost to Tartan 7-6 even though they out shot them 35-11. That put them out of the running for the first place game, otherwise there was likelyhood they would have played Princeton in the championship. Bummer! That would have been a good game to see.

HockeyMom5 · Post by **HockeyMom5** » Mon Feb 16, 2009 2:26 pm

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Go Gophers · Post by **Go Gophers** » Mon Feb 16, 2009 3:36 pm

HM5 - I think JB meant Proctor out shot Tartan 35-11

HockeyMom5 · Post by **HockeyMom5** » Mon Feb 16, 2009 3:49 pm

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JohnnyBuck · Post by **JohnnyBuck** » Mon Feb 16, 2009 4:06 pm

That was right. Proctor out shot Tartan. I believe that was their first lost of the year. They have only lost once with their regular goalie.

LawsonLowLife · Post by **LawsonLowLife** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 11:02 am

Proctor is the best-coached team in the state IMO. They are not a "one-trick-pony". They know where to be and where to pass at all times.

CentRed, on the other hand, is a poorly coached team filled with tremendous athletes - especially their goalie. Princeton beat them because of superior coaching - and great players, of course.

If you want to talk goals-against stats, CentRed gave up 4 goals TOTAL in 22 D10 league games this year - 1 to Blaine, and 3 to Princeton in their only loss! 20 shutouts in a 22 game season is pretty impressive.

However, I still think Proctor would beat the Red team because of superior discipline and coaching acumen.

Go Gophers · Post by **Go Gophers** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 11:24 am

Cent. Red has been beaten by Eden Prairie Black as well. 5 days after Princeton beat them. EP Black has a good little goalie - would be curious to see the shos on goal for that game.

HockeyMom5 · Post by **HockeyMom5** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 12:37 pm

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LawsonLowLife · Post by **LawsonLowLife** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 12:49 pm

HockeyMom5 wrote:
LawsonLowLife wrote:If you want to talk goals-against stats, CentRed gave up 4 goals TOTAL in 22 D10 league games this year - 1 to Blaine, and 3 to Princeton in their only loss! 20 shutouts in a 22 game season is pretty impressive.quote]

It only proves that Centennial Red should have been an "A" team. You can't completely run over the competition and not look as if you shouldn't be in a different league. Centennial's "A" team didn't even make districts.
I don't disagree with that assessment. Centennial should have had 2 "A" teams this year, but you know how association boards are.

BTW, does Princeton have a 12A team? I think every other association in D10 does.

HockeyMom5 · Post by **HockeyMom5** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 1:00 pm

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JohnnyBuck · Post by **JohnnyBuck** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 1:09 pm

In reponse to Hockey Mom's assessment that Centennial Red should be an "A" team becasue they have "Run over the competition". If we are using this as our assessment how can you say that Princeton shouldn't be an "A" team regardless of first year 12U's or not? The last time I looked at their record they have been pretty dominating. Not much different the Centennial Red.

HockeyMom5 · Post by **HockeyMom5** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 1:23 pm

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JohnnyBuck · Post by **JohnnyBuck** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 2:22 pm

Shut outs do not mean anything to me. To me it is about the wins and losses. It appears that Princeton has won an overwhelming amount of games which tells me they would have been very competitive at the "A" level. Centennial did make an "A" team and the way they chose the team is their business. I think if a team wins over 80% of their "B" games they should be playing an "A" schedule.

LawsonLowLife · Post by **LawsonLowLife** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 2:27 pm

HockeyMom5 wrote: I also know some of the coaches from Centennial and the way they put their A team together with U10 girls and put older (8th graders) on the Red team is retarded. Everything can't be fair but I do think they shouldn't be able to do that. JMO.

The powers-that-be in the CYHA are clearly not rocket scientists, that's for sure. Team configuration is only one of the curious decisions made up there.

Go Gophers · Post by **Go Gophers** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 2:46 pm

By common logic, in a few years there would be no "B" teams then. If all the teams projected to win 80% of their games went to "A", the teams that are left, have easier competiton. Hence those teams move up to win 80% of their games. The following year, they can't play "B" because they steamrolled last year and so on and so on.

If an association has enough bodies for (2) teams unless there is some wierd circumstance, there should be at least one "A" team. In cases of Centennial this year, maybe (2) "A" teams and one "B". Can't expect an association with 5 or 6 core players and filling out a roster with first year hockey player and U10's to be expected to jump up to "A" if that's all the bodies they have. I know it's a lower level of competition for the core players, but the rest of the roster won't stand a fighting chance against "A" competition and putting them with the boys has it's detriments as well. And what will they learn - how to recognize the back side of the opposing players jersey. Really a catch 22, but I feel let the little one's have a fighting chance and hopefully they enjoy their hockey experience enough to want to stick with it. A good season and a little work in the summer, maybe they all are good enough to step up to "A" the following season.

HockeyMom5 · Post by **HockeyMom5** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 3:17 pm

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JohnnyBuck · Post by **JohnnyBuck** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 3:49 pm

I think too much emphasis is put on "A" vs "B". All the teams in NE Minnesota play "A" hockey and most of them just have one team. Their philosophy, "play at the highest competition they can". They are not about padding wins to fill ther egos. Bottom line is every "B" team in the top 10 could have been .500 or better with an "A" schedule. I just do not like people outside of thier own hockey associations passing judgement on what others should do.

illusionsofgrandeur · Post by **illusionsofgrandeur** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 5:19 pm

[quote="LawsonLowLife"]

CentRed, on the other hand, is a poorly coached team filled with tremendous athletes - especially their goalie. Princeton beat them because of superior coaching - and great players, of course.

However, I still think Proctor would beat the Red team because of superior discipline and coaching acumen.[/quote]

Still bitter, greg?

LawsonLowLife · Post by **LawsonLowLife** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 5:33 pm

illusionsofgrandeur wrote:
LawsonLowLife wrote:
CentRed, on the other hand, is a poorly coached team filled with tremendous athletes - especially their goalie. Princeton beat them because of superior coaching - and great players, of course.

However, I still think Proctor would beat the Red team because of superior discipline and coaching acumen.
Still bitter, greg?

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drop the puck · Post by **drop the puck** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 5:38 pm

JohnnyBuck wrote:I think too much emphasis is put on "A" vs "B". All the teams in NE Minnesota play "A" hockey and most of them just have one team. Their philosophy, "play at the highest competition they can". They are not about padding wins to fill ther egos. Bottom line is every "B" team in the top 10 could have been .500 or better with an "A" schedule. I just do not like people outside of thier own hockey associations passing judgement on what others should do.

Proctor and Cloquet only play 12B hockey and are in District 11. They are not considered NE MN teams? Do you mean teams from the range play "A" only?

JohnnyBuck · Post by **JohnnyBuck** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 7:40 pm

My bad! I am directionally challenged. I meant the NW part of the State. From Grand Rapids west. I believe Cloquet, Proctor and Duluth have tradionally played "B" hockey but probably could field "A" teams. They have been strong in the past especially Duluth, but for some reason they choose to stay at the "B" level.

PG3319 · Post by **PG3319** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 8:35 pm

I dont think Cyha thought their 2 B teams were going to be as competitive as they are. The Black team is 17-4-1 in D10 play. Their only losses were to Red and Princeton, and the tie to Blaine. Also the Red team was 21-1 with the only loss to Princeton. I know the coach of the Black team and he was told by the level director to try to win periods. So I do not think the assoc. board thought they would be nearly as competitive as they were this year. Also D10 is way down this year. Especially if a third team in an assoc. can win 17 out of 22 games.

LawsonLowLife · Post by **LawsonLowLife** » Tue Feb 24, 2009 10:07 am

PG3319 wrote:I dont think Cyha thought their 2 B teams were going to be as competitive as they are. The Black team is 17-4-1 in D10 play. Their only losses were to Red and Princeton, and the tie to Blaine. Also the Red team was 21-1 with the only loss to Princeton. I know the coach of the Black team and he was told by the level director to try to win periods. So I do not think the assoc. board thought they would be nearly as competitive as they were this year. Also D10 is way down this year. Especially if a third team in an assoc. can win 17 out of 22 games.

D10 is "down" this year only when compared to last year. However, last year Chisago and Sauk Rapids competed only at the B level. This year they've finally gotten enough players to field both A and B teams - resulting in their B teams being much less competitive than they were last year. St. Cloud and Mora chose to play A this year instead of B (they should have been A last year as well), and Cambridge-Isanti doesn't even have a U12 team this year.

I heard that quote from the cyha director as well, but he doesn't even have daughters who play.

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12UB #2 vs #4 and #4 vs Cent. Black Today - Predictions?

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