i completly agree with this. winona is having a good year. however i pick century in this oneSTATEofHoky05 wrote:Are you people high? talking about an upset between Century and Winona. I understand that this is a down year for the Century program but we must not forget that this is a program that has proven to be successful this time of the year. Also, I need to point out that Century did beat Winona 7-2. I do understand that Century will have a difficult time making it past the following game but we cannot look past the opening rounds.
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Re: upset Winona vs Century
If they have any chances of winning, they need to be more disiplined.STATEofHoky05 wrote:Are you people high? talking about an upset between Century and Winona. I understand that this is a down year for the Century program but we must not forget that this is a program that has proven to be successful this time of the year. Also, I need to point out that Century did beat Winona 7-2. I do understand that Century will have a difficult time making it past the following game but we cannot look past the opening rounds.
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A dramitic upset if Mayo doesn't represent 1AA in St. Paul????
Mayo, along with Tartan are probaly the 2 likeliest of the 16 #1 seeds to not make it. It's not that Mayo is bad, it's just that the difference between them and the rest of their section is so little. Mayo beat #8 JM 6-3 and 4-0 and both games were close midway through the 3rd. Mayo beat Century 3-0, 3-2, and tied them 2-2. Mayo beat North 4-2 but Deters played a huge part in the outcome of that game and they beat South in OT. Of their possible/probable match ups their biggest win is 4 goals. I wouldn't say a dramitic upset, heck I wouldn't even call it an upset if they didn't make it, the teams in the section are just too even this year.
PEN, Mayo lost to Apple Valley because they couldn't contain Fisher, while he sat Mayo went up 2-0 when he played AV outscored Mayo 5-1. Playing Big Nine teams is far different from what most state bound AA teams play on a daily basis. They're not over rated though.
Mayo has underacheived for about 10 years in the section tournament, hopefully this group is senior laden enough to have a sense of urgency about them, something that's been lacking recently. The difference between them and the other top 4 seeds isn't very much and their, along with the rest of the top 4 seeds, margin for error is very slim. Getting through the semifnals could be just the confidence boost they need to win it.
South has far too many defensive lapses, if they correct that they'll be an extremely tough team to beat. They probably have the most talent but also have a pretty sizable drop off. They'll need to score 5 goals a game to win come Saturday, they're the one team in the section that can.
North Has Arentz and a history of playing in the title game. They beat South twice and will have a 3rd crack at them. Tough to beat a team 3 times in a season though.
Century has a few injuries though only the one to Kautz could dramatically affect them. They take far too many penalties, in fact it's seniors taking far too many penalties, if Anderson and Faupel show a sense of urgency they have as good a chance as anyone. If not......the Mayo game could be as dirty a game as has been seen in many years should they get there. On the plus side the officiating should be balanced and of a higher quality than they had last week at Mayo.
Winona can score, can they keep Century from scoring more? Owatonna picked a great time of year to play their worst hockey of the season. Farmington is another team that can score but usually gets outscored. JM wasn't very good but kept many games close, now they lost Max Foley, they'll have a tough time winning this one. DC has been close to a few decent teams but doesn't seem to be able to get over the hump.
Mayo, along with Tartan are probaly the 2 likeliest of the 16 #1 seeds to not make it. It's not that Mayo is bad, it's just that the difference between them and the rest of their section is so little. Mayo beat #8 JM 6-3 and 4-0 and both games were close midway through the 3rd. Mayo beat Century 3-0, 3-2, and tied them 2-2. Mayo beat North 4-2 but Deters played a huge part in the outcome of that game and they beat South in OT. Of their possible/probable match ups their biggest win is 4 goals. I wouldn't say a dramitic upset, heck I wouldn't even call it an upset if they didn't make it, the teams in the section are just too even this year.
PEN, Mayo lost to Apple Valley because they couldn't contain Fisher, while he sat Mayo went up 2-0 when he played AV outscored Mayo 5-1. Playing Big Nine teams is far different from what most state bound AA teams play on a daily basis. They're not over rated though.
Mayo has underacheived for about 10 years in the section tournament, hopefully this group is senior laden enough to have a sense of urgency about them, something that's been lacking recently. The difference between them and the other top 4 seeds isn't very much and their, along with the rest of the top 4 seeds, margin for error is very slim. Getting through the semifnals could be just the confidence boost they need to win it.
South has far too many defensive lapses, if they correct that they'll be an extremely tough team to beat. They probably have the most talent but also have a pretty sizable drop off. They'll need to score 5 goals a game to win come Saturday, they're the one team in the section that can.
North Has Arentz and a history of playing in the title game. They beat South twice and will have a 3rd crack at them. Tough to beat a team 3 times in a season though.
Century has a few injuries though only the one to Kautz could dramatically affect them. They take far too many penalties, in fact it's seniors taking far too many penalties, if Anderson and Faupel show a sense of urgency they have as good a chance as anyone. If not......the Mayo game could be as dirty a game as has been seen in many years should they get there. On the plus side the officiating should be balanced and of a higher quality than they had last week at Mayo.
Winona can score, can they keep Century from scoring more? Owatonna picked a great time of year to play their worst hockey of the season. Farmington is another team that can score but usually gets outscored. JM wasn't very good but kept many games close, now they lost Max Foley, they'll have a tough time winning this one. DC has been close to a few decent teams but doesn't seem to be able to get over the hump.
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The top 5 teams are very close....I thought we would be talking about Owatonna in this mix, but they have totally fallen off....is it coaching? Lack of effort? Are they really average? Everyone keeps talking about how good of a coach Fish is and how good this group of players are, but to finish under .500 with that schedule?
That is the definitition of pathetic eh southernscoutman???
Goldy313 - you are right, Mayo has nothing won, but I expect they will be in the mix. I think Mayo could have benefited from the most talented team (South) beating their cross-town rival down the stretch - it might have vaulted Century past them in the seedings despite the one goal loss to North earlier in the year.
Even though I agree Mayo has underachieved some years, I would not say for 10 years straight. In 1999 they made state and yes, JM made it close, but they were the most talented #6 seed this section has seen in a very long time and the Rockets overachieved that year. In 2000 Mayo returned to state and beat Jefferson up there.
In 2001 Mayo faced some violations at the end of the year of 4-5 key guys, which killed their chances and it showed vs. Century in the semi-finals. They did suffer an upset to Century the next year, but by then Mayo had fallen back to the pack. In 2003 Mayo was the #6 seed and only won 9 games. In 2004, they were upset by Austin, but that was a decent Austin team and many think Mayo won when the puck hit a skate and went in - it was not redirected, but Mayo lost in 2 OTs.
In 2005 Mayo had Century on the ropes in the semis and lost 4-3.
In 2006 Mayo out played Century but lost in OT
In 2007 Century was by far the best team.
In 2008 Mayo got hosed in the seedings and came out flat vs. South in the semis. They have had some bad breaks along with bad games.
It should be a very interesting Saturday at the Rec no matter who gets there. We could have two very intense, and possibly chippy games.
As far as the refs last Thursday, they were not that bad - a bit inconsistent. Century had plenty of chippy plays not called and vice versa. The bottom line is that when two of your senior leaders love the box as much as they do, they put their team in a bad situation.
Watch out for the Winhawks if Century plays the chippy game.
As far as Arentz, he is good, but not good enough to win it on his own. He is certainly no better than Yaggy, and probably not much better than Sellnow.
That is the definitition of pathetic eh southernscoutman???
Goldy313 - you are right, Mayo has nothing won, but I expect they will be in the mix. I think Mayo could have benefited from the most talented team (South) beating their cross-town rival down the stretch - it might have vaulted Century past them in the seedings despite the one goal loss to North earlier in the year.
Even though I agree Mayo has underachieved some years, I would not say for 10 years straight. In 1999 they made state and yes, JM made it close, but they were the most talented #6 seed this section has seen in a very long time and the Rockets overachieved that year. In 2000 Mayo returned to state and beat Jefferson up there.
In 2001 Mayo faced some violations at the end of the year of 4-5 key guys, which killed their chances and it showed vs. Century in the semi-finals. They did suffer an upset to Century the next year, but by then Mayo had fallen back to the pack. In 2003 Mayo was the #6 seed and only won 9 games. In 2004, they were upset by Austin, but that was a decent Austin team and many think Mayo won when the puck hit a skate and went in - it was not redirected, but Mayo lost in 2 OTs.
In 2005 Mayo had Century on the ropes in the semis and lost 4-3.
In 2006 Mayo out played Century but lost in OT
In 2007 Century was by far the best team.
In 2008 Mayo got hosed in the seedings and came out flat vs. South in the semis. They have had some bad breaks along with bad games.
It should be a very interesting Saturday at the Rec no matter who gets there. We could have two very intense, and possibly chippy games.
As far as the refs last Thursday, they were not that bad - a bit inconsistent. Century had plenty of chippy plays not called and vice versa. The bottom line is that when two of your senior leaders love the box as much as they do, they put their team in a bad situation.
Watch out for the Winhawks if Century plays the chippy game.
As far as Arentz, he is good, but not good enough to win it on his own. He is certainly no better than Yaggy, and probably not much better than Sellnow.
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DODGE COUNTY GOAL!!! 1-0. 6:30 to go in the 1st.SEMinnHockeyNut wrote:The top 5 teams are very close....I thought we would be talking about Owatonna in this mix, but they have totally fallen off....is it coaching? Lack of effort? Are they really average? Everyone keeps talking about how good of a coach Fish is and how good this group of players are, but to finish under .500 with that schedule?
That is the definitition of pathetic eh southernscoutman???
Goldy313 - you are right, Mayo has nothing won, but I expect they will be in the mix. I think Mayo could have benefited from the most talented team (South) beating their cross-town rival down the stretch - it might have vaulted Century past them in the seedings despite the one goal loss to North earlier in the year.
Even though I agree Mayo has underachieved some years, I would not say for 10 years straight. In 1999 they made state and yes, JM made it close, but they were the most talented #6 seed this section has seen in a very long time and the Rockets overachieved that year. In 2000 Mayo returned to state and beat Jefferson up there.
In 2001 Mayo faced some violations at the end of the year of 4-5 key guys, which killed their chances and it showed vs. Century in the semi-finals. They did suffer an upset to Century the next year, but by then Mayo had fallen back to the pack. In 2003 Mayo was the #6 seed and only won 9 games. In 2004, they were upset by Austin, but that was a decent Austin team and many think Mayo won when the puck hit a skate and went in - it was not redirected, but Mayo lost in 2 OTs.
In 2005 Mayo had Century on the ropes in the semis and lost 4-3.
In 2006 Mayo out played Century but lost in OT
In 2007 Century was by far the best team.
In 2008 Mayo got hosed in the seedings and came out flat vs. South in the semis. They have had some bad breaks along with bad games.
It should be a very interesting Saturday at the Rec no matter who gets there. We could have two very intense, and possibly chippy games.
As far as the refs last Thursday, they were not that bad - a bit inconsistent. Century had plenty of chippy plays not called and vice versa. The bottom line is that when two of your senior leaders love the box as much as they do, they put their team in a bad situation.
Watch out for the Winhawks if Century plays the chippy game.
As far as Arentz, he is good, but not good enough to win it on his own. He is certainly no better than Yaggy, and probably not much better than Sellnow.
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Looks like rockets4 should have focused more on his game tonight instead of his blogging.....Still a lot of hockey left.gopherhockey21 wrote:DC 1-0 end of first. Dominated JM in shots 12-4.
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century
Personally I think century has been the hottest team down the stretch. Other than the tie against west which was their only hiccup, and the roseville game which really didnt have any implications. I think Sellnow has definately been a pleasant suprise, and they do have some good forwards.
Mayo probably has the most talented squad, Yaggy is a good tender, their first line is probably the best in the section, but as someone said earlier, beating a team 3 times is a tough thing to do. (century)
South is prob the better team out of the lakevilles, but North could suprise some people.
Mayo probably has the most talented squad, Yaggy is a good tender, their first line is probably the best in the section, but as someone said earlier, beating a team 3 times is a tough thing to do. (century)
South is prob the better team out of the lakevilles, but North could suprise some people.
goldy313 wrote:A dramitic upset if Mayo doesn't represent 1AA in St. Paul????
Mayo, along with Tartan are probaly the 2 likeliest of the 16 #1 seeds to not make it. It's not that Mayo is bad, it's just that the difference between them and the rest of their section is so little. Mayo beat #8 JM 6-3 and 4-0 and both games were close midway through the 3rd. Mayo beat Century 3-0, 3-2, and tied them 2-2. Mayo beat North 4-2 but Deters played a huge part in the outcome of that game and they beat South in OT. Of their possible/probable match ups their biggest win is 4 goals. I wouldn't say a dramitic upset, heck I wouldn't even call it an upset if they didn't make it, the teams in the section are just too even this year.
PEN, Mayo lost to Apple Valley because they couldn't contain Fisher, while he sat Mayo went up 2-0 when he played AV outscored Mayo 5-1. Playing Big Nine teams is far different from what most state bound AA teams play on a daily basis. They're not over rated though.
Mayo has underacheived for about 10 years in the section tournament, hopefully this group is senior laden enough to have a sense of urgency about them, something that's been lacking recently. The difference between them and the other top 4 seeds isn't very much and their, along with the rest of the top 4 seeds, margin for error is very slim. Getting through the semifnals could be just the confidence boost they need to win it.
South has far too many defensive lapses, if they correct that they'll be an extremely tough team to beat. They probably have the most talent but also have a pretty sizable drop off. They'll need to score 5 goals a game to win come Saturday, they're the one team in the section that can.
North Has Arentz and a history of playing in the title game. They beat South twice and will have a 3rd crack at them. Tough to beat a team 3 times in a season though.
Century has a few injuries though only the one to Kautz could dramatically affect them. They take far too many penalties, in fact it's seniors taking far too many penalties, if Anderson and Faupel show a sense of urgency they have as good a chance as anyone. If not......the Mayo game could be as dirty a game as has been seen in many years should they get there. On the plus side the officiating should be balanced and of a higher quality than they had last week at Mayo.
Winona can score, can they keep Century from scoring more? Owatonna picked a great time of year to play their worst hockey of the season. Farmington is another team that can score but usually gets outscored. JM wasn't very good but kept many games close, now they lost Max Foley, they'll have a tough time winning this one. DC has been close to a few decent teams but doesn't seem to be able to get over the hump.
Good point man. I guess I didnt really realize the little difference in the top five. I still think Mayo has the best shot for St. Paul though, but only time will tell. By the way, I would love to see JM drop their season to DC.
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Dodge County had only 2 seniors play, they're not very old either.
Dodge County played well in the first, JM played like crap yet DC only had a 1-0 advantage. JM came out of the gate in thesecond flying and got up 2-1 before a really poor play by the Rockets let DC tie it up less than a minute later. The third was all DC, a stupid penalty (see the DE/Stillwater thread about sticking a knee out) gave JM a PP with about 2 minutes remaining down 4-2, JM didnothing on the PP and DC added an empty netter to seal it.
This DC isn't as talented as the one that played Century tough 2 years ago but they have some talent. I doubt they can keep up with Mayo for 3 periods though. Mayo needs to just play smart, turnovers killed JM along with what looked like taking the Wildcats to lightly. The longer you let an underdog hang around the tougher they are to put away.
Dodge County played well in the first, JM played like crap yet DC only had a 1-0 advantage. JM came out of the gate in thesecond flying and got up 2-1 before a really poor play by the Rockets let DC tie it up less than a minute later. The third was all DC, a stupid penalty (see the DE/Stillwater thread about sticking a knee out) gave JM a PP with about 2 minutes remaining down 4-2, JM didnothing on the PP and DC added an empty netter to seal it.
This DC isn't as talented as the one that played Century tough 2 years ago but they have some talent. I doubt they can keep up with Mayo for 3 periods though. Mayo needs to just play smart, turnovers killed JM along with what looked like taking the Wildcats to lightly. The longer you let an underdog hang around the tougher they are to put away.
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Visa wrote:Looks like rockets4 should have focused more on his game tonight instead of his blogging.....Still a lot of hockey left.gopherhockey21 wrote:DC 1-0 end of first. Dominated JM in shots 12-4.
i dont play hockey at jm..... im a fan who is looking forword to jm sophmores to have a good year next year
mayo DC is strong but you guys are to fast for them you should win this one
Ok, going with that comment: Focus on your spelling. You could use some tutoring.rockets4 wrote:Visa wrote:Looks like rockets4 should have focused more on his game tonight instead of his blogging.....Still a lot of hockey left.gopherhockey21 wrote:DC 1-0 end of first. Dominated JM in shots 12-4.
i dont play hockey at jm..... im a fan who is looking forword to jm sophmores to have a good year next year
mayo DC is strong but you guys are to fast for them you should win this one
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I hear they have really good deals going on now at sylvan learning centers.Visa wrote:Ok, going with that comment: Focus on your spelling. You could use some tutoring.rockets4 wrote:Visa wrote: Looks like rockets4 should have focused more on his game tonight instead of his blogging.....Still a lot of hockey left.
i dont play hockey at jm..... im a fan who is looking forword to jm sophmores to have a good year next year
mayo DC is strong but you guys are to fast for them you should win this one
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You don't play hockey at JM anymore...this season...because your season is over. How fast did you get undressed, cry with the seniors, and get out of the lockerroom? All to get to this forum to work on your spelling...that's dedication.rockets4 wrote:Visa wrote:Looks like rockets4 should have focused more on his game tonight instead of his blogging.....Still a lot of hockey left.gopherhockey21 wrote:DC 1-0 end of first. Dominated JM in shots 12-4.
i dont play hockey at jm..... im a fan who is looking forword to jm sophmores to have a good year next year
mayo DC is strong but you guys are to fast for them you should win this one
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Even though it wasn't that much of a surprise that DC beat JM I didn't think that is would be dominated by DC. Shots I believe were 35 to 16 (WOW). I would understand if this happened against mayo-Century_Lakeville or whatever but to lose in that fashion to DC tells me that JM even though they are young are having problems. DC is also very young at this point as well so there are no excuses. Should make Mayo and Century feel good for next year. Sorry rocket4 your earlier posts indicating success for JM in the future no longer has any merit at this time. Mayo should handedly put it to DC but they will have to play with urgency from the beginning and close it out early. Century-Winona should be interesting as Century's injuries should be a factor if Winona puts together a descent game. These factors should give Winona some momentum and confidence going into this game. I think it will be close regardless.