Duluth Marshall vs Virginia

passer07 · Post by **passer07** » Sun Mar 01, 2009 7:44 pm

HSH1212 wrote:
elliott70 wrote:
pacman wrote:
I certainly hope that Virginia and Hibbing show class on Wednesday. I believe they will.

I believe the MSHSL is already looking into what transpired.
That's a hopeless thought. I hate to make a generalization, but the Range is the epitome of lack of class, both from fans and players. That's not to say that Duluth teams like East, or Marshall are perfect little teams, but there it is definitely more class shown then from the range teams. The problem I see is all the range fans on here creating double standards for themselves. I mean come on, if you actually took off your blinders, you might be disgusted with your behavior. Not trying to make attacks, but sometimes, you need to take a look at perspective. Now by a long shot, Virginia year after year shows the least class of any range team. Good job Bluedevils. And yes, I might be a little biased, but I have pointed out the wrongs that Marshall did (notably 27's inexcusable action). But I bet you money that Virginia's response would be the same if Lustig was ran into, intentional or not. And unlike the Marshall fans (who show class), the Virginia fans would have been swearing at the Marshall player, calling him cheap etc.
Fans??? what fans marshall doesnt have fans. they cant even fill up a section. one whole side was virginia the other side was some other iron rangers.

pacman · Post by **pacman** » Sun Mar 01, 2009 8:04 pm

ok i just saw the Video...Great Acting by Westin...Mausolf Skates up to him and hardly hits him and Westin Goes down like he just got hit in the face with a Sledgehammer.

hockey34721 · Post by **hockey34721** » Sun Mar 01, 2009 8:23 pm

First of all you can't even talk about marshall players having no class when the whole virginia fan section is shouting " Mausolf how was rehab" That seems like a pretty classy move from virginia. Westin made no attempt at all to get out of the way of colliding into marshalls goalie. you can clearly see in the replay that westin sees the goalie with the puck and skates right into if westin was trying to get out of the way he wouldn't have slowed down and plowed into the marshall goalie. Westin is the biggest diver in the MSHSL and should be given an academy award for his acting out on the ice and for all you virginia fans and range people ranting and raving about this game you need to take it easy and quit whining because who cares in the end virginia came out with the win.

goldenbear85 · Post by **goldenbear85** » Sun Mar 01, 2009 8:23 pm

elliott70 wrote:#6 & #27 for Marshall should be suspended.

These two have no class. If they were at Hill, I think they would be in front of a review.

Virginia and the balance of Marshall were just playing hockey from what can be seen from the video.

Muazolf definitely skated up to Westin and knee'd him in the head, and Westin looks like he embelished it.

What about #16 from Marshall giving #14 from Virginia 2-handed slashes and hooks at the blue line. Wow!

Here's something more serious. I think #27 came off the bench to enter the ruckus and then butt-end Westin in the neck. During Westin's break-away, he is not one of the D on the ice. Then, later he comes crashing in to the Mauzolf/Judnick battle, and at that point, I can count 6 Marshall skaters on the ice. After he butt-ends Westin, there are 6 Marshall skaters plus the goalie on the ice, and the 7th (Mauzolf) in the penalty box.

If he came off the bench to mix it up and butt-end Westin, the MSHSL will definitely be involved.

You know what's really sad? That fact that this was a really well played, well ref'd, exciting game, with very little chippy crap, until Marshall went down 4-2. Instead of talking about what a great game it was, instead we are talking about this garbage.

Fortunately, the Section 7 final game should be a barn burner, with a packed house, since the Hibbing and Virginia fans really support their teams. Should be fun.

pacman · Post by **pacman** » Sun Mar 01, 2009 8:24 pm

Heres the Video...Judge for yourself...Its at the 6:00 Mark.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XeuVybBC6M

EHSHack · Post by **EHSHack** » Sun Mar 01, 2009 8:24 pm

Mausolf did cheap shot Westin, you can clearly see he puts his skate right in his knuts.

Jackets17 · Post by **Jackets17** » Sun Mar 01, 2009 8:26 pm

pacman wrote:ok i just saw the Video...Great Acting by Westin...Mausolf Skates up to him and hardly hits him and Westin Goes down like he just got hit in the face with a Sledgehammer.

agreed and i also hated the homerism of the virginia announcer as he completely ignored the fact that westin barrelled into Willie Waul as though he were Pete Rose.

pacman · Post by **pacman** » Sun Mar 01, 2009 8:29 pm

EHSHack wrote:Mausolf did cheap shot Westin, you can clearly see he puts his skate right in his knuts.

Westin was wearing a Cup i'm sure...There is No way you fall to the Ice that why when your hit in the balls dude...No way... And Westin Whent down to the Ice Holding his face...Not his Nuts...Dude Westin went hollywood just to get the Refs Sympathy.

The Announcer makes me want to Puke. i remember he did the CCM All Star Game last year and he was an emberassment to the range.

passer07 · Post by **passer07** » Sun Mar 01, 2009 8:48 pm

Jackets_19 wrote:westin played that up, he was barely touched, even if he was touched

funny thing is westin moves on.. something worked

johnwayne23 · Post by **johnwayne23** » Sun Mar 01, 2009 8:53 pm

yeah westin dives in almost every game he is in, but he may have moved on from this one but he isnt going anywhere. he is an embarassment to hockey.

HAWKey · Post by **HAWKey** » Sun Mar 01, 2009 9:02 pm

johnwayne23 wrote:yeah westin dives in almost every game he is in, but he may have moved on from this one but he isnt going anywhere. he is an embarassment to hockey.

I also saw westin diving a lot in multiple games this year. The butt end from #27 is debatable, #27 has been known to be cheap, Westin has been known to dive. In my humble opionion it was a little bit of both.

gophers101 · Post by **gophers101** » Sun Mar 01, 2009 9:02 pm

I have a great new nickname for westin. HOLLYWOOD! Wow and really liked the totally biased announcers. It was an exciting fight though and I really enjoyed it. Added some extra fun to the game.

pacman · Post by **pacman** » Sun Mar 01, 2009 9:07 pm

It was Funny at the End when #27 Mark Williams from Marshall spat in Westins face during the hand shake.

goldenbear85 · Post by **goldenbear85** » Sun Mar 01, 2009 9:09 pm

HAWKey wrote:
johnwayne23 wrote:yeah westin dives in almost every game he is in, but he may have moved on from this one but he isnt going anywhere. he is an embarassment to hockey.
I also saw westin diving a lot in multiple games this year. The butt end from #27 is debatable, #27 has been known to be cheap, Westin has been known to dive. In my humble opionion it was a little bit of both.

If you had the opportunity to look at the front of Westin's neck right after it happend, even a die-hard Marshall fan would admit that he obviously was butt-ended in the neck - no acting there.

johnwayne23 · Post by **johnwayne23** » Sun Mar 01, 2009 9:09 pm

is this on the video? cant say i saw it

minnesotahockey218 · Post by **minnesotahockey218** » Sun Mar 01, 2009 9:09 pm

Wow i just watched that video and i feel disgrased for both teams. deffinite penaltly for running the goalie, puck was allready away from him and the virginia made no attempt at ALL to miss the goalie. Westin is classless and a great embellasher, we reacted like he had just been shot in the head when mausolf SLOWLY skated into him and did not at all atempt to knee him in the head. number 27 for marshall is a disgrace, should not be playing hockey. both teams are at fault, and anyone who tries to say virginia and or marshall is solely at fault needs to take their head out of their as* ... and i love how no one mentions number 8 from virginia, his shot at mausolf was even cheaper than mausolf barely touching westin.. open your eyes virginia fans, your sons are cheap

pacman · Post by **pacman** » Sun Mar 01, 2009 9:10 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XeuVybBC6M

At the 6 minute mark.

HSH1212 · Post by **HSH1212** » Sun Mar 01, 2009 9:17 pm

goldenbear85 wrote:
elliott70 wrote:#6 & #27 for Marshall should be suspended.

These two have no class. If they were at Hill, I think they would be in front of a review.

Virginia and the balance of Marshall were just playing hockey from what can be seen from the video.
Muazolf definitely skated up to Westin and knee'd him in the head, and Westin looks like he embelished it.

What about #16 from Marshall giving #14 from Virginia 2-handed slashes and hooks at the blue line. Wow!

Here's something more serious. I think #27 came off the bench to enter the ruckus and then butt-end Westin in the neck. During Westin's break-away, he is not one of the D on the ice. Then, later he comes crashing in to the Mauzolf/Judnick battle, and at that point, I can count 6 Marshall skaters on the ice. After he butt-ends Westin, there are 6 Marshall skaters plus the goalie on the ice, and the 7th (Mauzolf) in the penalty box.

If he came off the bench to mix it up and butt-end Westin, the MSHSL will definitely be involved.

You know what's really sad? That fact that this was a really well played, well ref'd, exciting game, with very little chippy crap, until Marshall went down 4-2. Instead of talking about what a great game it was, instead we are talking about this garbage.

Fortunately, the Section 7 finale game should be a barn burner, with a packed house, since the Hibbing and Virginia fans really support their teams. Should be fun.

It wasn't well ref'd at all. There were several non icing calls aganist Marshall and Virginia. The ref's seemed very indecisive. One would have put his hand up, and the other wouldn't call it. One of these costed Marshall a goal. Now I am not blaming the refs for the outcome, because they weren't biased, but they seemed scared in their calls. If they aern't ready for these games, then have others take the game.

The video really showed what happended. Here's what I would have called.
2 min Westin (for hitting Paul)
Intentional or not, this is a penalty.
2 min Mausolf (kneeing)
I don't understand why Mausolf would do this. The video shows that he kneeded Westin, although it is obvious that Westin embellished it. Either way, a penalty for Mausolf.
2 min Judnick (roughing)
As much as I understand the announcers frustation, he makes no mention of Judnick's hit.

2 min Westin (2 embellishments)
The second one wasn't shown, we just see Westin laying on the ice. However, he is not hurt, because the next shift, he goes back on the ice. Depending on perspective, Westin was a genius for what he did or a faker.
4 min Williams (double minor for roughing, slashing)
This is really what killed the Toppers. Williams had no business in on this.
result: 6 minutes a piece
Overall, the more I look at it, the more Marshall screwed up. They would have had a 5-3. They ended up evened up, which is fair, but still, a 5-3 could have been the difference in a comeback or not.

By the way, this is really unbiased look at. Some range folks will argue for the non embellishment call on Westin, but he did it twice.

In the game, Mausolf got 2 penalties. Does anyone know what his other was? The knee was obvious, but what was the other one.

7A0809 · Post by **7A0809** » Sun Mar 01, 2009 9:21 pm

I was lucky enough to see this first hand, and I think people who watch the thing need to realize how quick it happened. Westin is going full speed to get the puck and the goalie is sprinting full speed to get the puck. Watching the video even in a slower replay doesn't tell you how quickly it happened. Westin made an attempt to move and Paul moved the same way. Westin has never been known as a dirty player to try to hit a goaltender in that way and knowing it'd put his team on a 3 vs 5 situation i dont think that was his intention. The Mausolf knee in the head was a very bad situation. Mausolf did knee him and whether or not Westin sold it is up for discussion, but Mausolf didn't help his cause, he had the whole rink to skate too and he skates and puts his skate in between Westin's legs and drives his knee into his head. Any player who were to get hit like that would obviously sell it. Mark Williams came off the bench and waited (or at least tried to wait) until the refs turned away and at that point I may have seen the most blatant and cheap thing I have seen in hockey in a long time when he butt-ended Westin right in the throat. Westin went down and nobody knows but him whether he was hurt or not but he definitely had a good mark from that hit and it was a very dangerous hit which I expect will be reviewed by the MSHSL. And it also appears Westin was spit on. Not quite sure.

7A0809 · Post by **7A0809** » Sun Mar 01, 2009 9:24 pm

Westin may have embellished the knee a little bit but the stick he took in the neck and him laying down for it was no fake in my mind and probably many others minds.

pacman · Post by **pacman** » Sun Mar 01, 2009 9:24 pm

7A0809 wrote:I was lucky enough to see this first hand, and I think people who watch the thing need to realize how quick it happened. Westin is going full speed to get the puck and the goalie is sprinting full speed to get the puck. Watching the video even in a slower replay doesn't tell you how quickly it happened. Westin made an attempt to move and Paul moved the same way. Westin has never been known as a dirty player to try to hit a goaltender in that way and knowing it'd put his team on a 3 vs 5 situation i dont think that was his intention. The Mausolf knee in the head was a very bad situation. Mausolf did knee him and whether or not Westin sold it is up for discussion, but Mausolf didn't help his cause, he had the whole rink to skate too and he skates and puts his skate in between Westin's legs and drives his knee into his head. Any player who were to get hit like that would obviously sell it. Mark Williams came off the bench and waited (or at least tried to wait) until the refs turned away and at that point I may have seen the most blatant and cheap thing I have seen in hockey in a long time when he butt-ended Westin right in the throat. Westin went down and nobody knows but him whether he was hurt or not but he definitely had a good mark from that hit and it was a very dangerous hit which I expect will be reviewed by the MSHSL. And it also appears Westin was spit on. Not quite sure.

If you watch the end of the video...It was Clear Williams Spit at Westin.

puckman22 · Post by **puckman22** » Sun Mar 01, 2009 9:32 pm

pacman wrote:
7A0809 wrote:I was lucky enough to see this first hand, and I think people who watch the thing need to realize how quick it happened. Westin is going full speed to get the puck and the goalie is sprinting full speed to get the puck. Watching the video even in a slower replay doesn't tell you how quickly it happened. Westin made an attempt to move and Paul moved the same way. Westin has never been known as a dirty player to try to hit a goaltender in that way and knowing it'd put his team on a 3 vs 5 situation i dont think that was his intention. The Mausolf knee in the head was a very bad situation. Mausolf did knee him and whether or not Westin sold it is up for discussion, but Mausolf didn't help his cause, he had the whole rink to skate too and he skates and puts his skate in between Westin's legs and drives his knee into his head. Any player who were to get hit like that would obviously sell it. Mark Williams came off the bench and waited (or at least tried to wait) until the refs turned away and at that point I may have seen the most blatant and cheap thing I have seen in hockey in a long time when he butt-ended Westin right in the throat. Westin went down and nobody knows but him whether he was hurt or not but he definitely had a good mark from that hit and it was a very dangerous hit which I expect will be reviewed by the MSHSL. And it also appears Westin was spit on. Not quite sure.
If you watch the end of the video...It was Clear Williams Spit at Westin.

No, i don't believe it is clear as to what williams did in the handshake

goldenbear85 · Post by **goldenbear85** » Sun Mar 01, 2009 9:34 pm

pacman wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XeuVybBC6M

At the 6 minute mark.

Actually, you should have said look at the 7:40 mark. It's a better angle and in slow motion, showing Westin tried to avoid the collision at the last minute.

minnesotahockey218 wrote:Wow i just watched that video and i feel disgrased for both teams. deffinite penaltly for running the goalie, puck was allready away from him and the virginia made no attempt at ALL to miss the goalie. Westin is classless and a great embellasher, we reacted like he had just been shot in the head when mausolf SLOWLY skated into him and did not at all atempt to knee him in the head. number 27 for marshall is a disgrace, should not be playing hockey. both teams are at fault, and anyone who tries to say virginia and or marshall is solely at fault needs to take their head out of their as* ... and i love how no one mentions number 8 from virginia, his shot at mausolf was even cheaper than mausolf barely touching westin.. open your eyes virginia fans, your sons are cheap

This is the other view, and it shows that Westin actually tried to avoid him at the last minute.

Now you can debate about if the goalie is out of the protected zone, or if Westin should have started to avoid him earlier. It doesn't look intentional (i.e. ejection), but if you're the ref on the ice, you have to call that a penalty, which they did.

You should watch the video at the 7:55 point....slow motion replay of the knee to the head. You see Mauzolf skated around his goalie to get to Westin, and stuck his skate in Westins balls, AND knee'd him in the head. You can see how Mauzolf's knee is still bent after he knee's Westin in the head.

Now, are both teams to blame? Probably. Did Marshall go WAY overboard at this point, and then continue the classless actions in the handshake (spitting) and later as Virginia tried to leave the arena - for sure.

EHSHack · Post by **EHSHack** » Sun Mar 01, 2009 9:34 pm

minnesotahockey218 wrote:Wow i just watched that video and i feel disgrased for both teams. deffinite penaltly for running the goalie, puck was allready away from him and the virginia made no attempt at ALL to miss the goalie. Westin is classless and a great embellasher, we reacted like he had just been shot in the head when mausolf SLOWLY skated into him and did not at all atempt to knee him in the head. number 27 for marshall is a disgrace, should not be playing hockey. both teams are at fault, and anyone who tries to say virginia and or marshall is solely at fault needs to take their head out of their as* ... and i love how no one mentions number 8 from virginia, his shot at mausolf was even cheaper than mausolf barely touching westin.. open your eyes virginia fans, your sons are cheap

No, no, no. It was bang-bang, so I would assume it looked like Mausolf knee'd him in the head, therefore what #8 did is perfectly acceptable and SHOULD have happened. Any player that does that (or appears to do that) deserves to get decked.

Pacman, when you get hit in the nuts (even when one nut isnt being pinched by the cup) your first reaction is backward. Trust me, Ive taken my share of baseballs to the knuts. Did he embellish? Yes. Did he still get hurt? Yes.

johnwayne23 · Post by **johnwayne23** » Sun Mar 01, 2009 9:34 pm

yeah i couldnt see anything in the video that showed what 27 did or didnt do, but sounds like an interesting situation

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