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Post by mnwild09 »

SCC2009 wrote:little falls defense will struggle at state, i am taking virginia 7-3...sorry but you have to do better than they have been playing in sections to come out on top i think. they have had a nice season, but it ends here...OT against a team that would not have been seeded at state if they would have won (alex)....i think virginia has been hot and takes this one easy
Little Falls defense will struggle at state? In the first meeting between these two teams in the regular season there were EIGHTEEN powerplays between the two teams. Not a single PP goal was scored. In fact, the only goal of the game was shorthanded against Virginia. Now tell me how the LF defense will struggle against this team that they fought off something like 10 powerplays against in one game? And 7-3? Are you joking? I realize Sperl is no Patrick Roy or Martin Brodeur, but you think a team that was shut out against the Flyers earlier in the year is somehow going to get 7 against the Flyers in a game that means infinitely more than the regular season game? You must be a comedian.

As I've argued before, Little Falls has played a perfect 28 games this season. Not all the PERIODS have been perfect, but so far the games have been. Yeah a few periods in the section tourney were a little sloppy but that doesn't mean anything when the other 80 were just fine.

The Alexandria game was close. Admittedly the Cards had a lot more to play for. It was Hemmingway's last shot at even BEATING the flyers, let alone getting to state. They had a lot to play for and came out strong against a flyer team that didn't have quite as much heart in the beginning. The game was still handled quite well (by both teams) and was very exciting. You people don't seem to realize that LF is playing AGAINST teams, not just playing games. You all seem to think that LF just shows up and should be getting 8 goals without considering who they are playing against. There was much more importance in the 6A final than in the regular season games, of course it's going to be a closer game.

But 7-3? Get real.
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gophers101 wrote:If LF's first line is going to be out against Virgina's 3 and 4 lines it's going to be a long game.
I'm sure they will be. That is what Virginia wants. There is no difference between line 2 or line 4. Its Virginia's top line that gets scored on. Lines 2, 3, and 4 haven't been scored on since mid January. That includes two games with Duluth Marshall, 2 games with Hibbing, and a game with I Falls - amongst many others. I don't want it to seem like I'm picking on you, but where do you get some of your ideas from gophers101? You've been wrong on almost everything you've posted about Virginia all year long.

I will say this, since Virginia knew it probably wasn't going to be seeded and a Hutchinson draw was out of the question, Little Falls was the team they wanted to match up with. They've seen them before. They feel they are a much better team than they were back in the first weekend of the season - and they also feel they very easily could have won that game when the two played earlier in the season.

Virginia is a different beast than Little Falls saw back in week 1. Different line combinations, a few different players - and a handful of sophomores that now have an entire season under their belt. As long as the Virginia players don't get caught up in all the hype surrounding the game, I agree with them and I think they will win. This is going to be the game where running the Hanowski line out there late in blowout games instead of developing some depth with the younger players will come back to haunt the Flyers.

Little Falls hasn't played a team that is as well rounded as this Virginia team is. There just are no weaknesses on this team from top to bottom.

Virginia has a strong powerplay, great penalty kill, excellent goaltending, a high scoring line as good as any in the state, four strong lines that all contribute, very good defensemen, they are confident, and they play as a team. This team is hands-down far better than the team they sent in 2005.

Virginia's schedule isn't the strongest in the state, but they do play a lot more quality opponents than Little Falls. Other than Alexandria, the Flyers haven't played anyone real tough since early December (their 1st and 3rd games). That will hurt them with this competetive field.

I could see the wheels falling off for Little Falls late in the game if they get frustrated, but I'll give them the benefit of the doubt since they've played on this stage before. I think Virginia wins this one, 4-2.
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Post by viewfromthetop »

I think it should be a good game, but I am going with Virginia in this one. Like what they have done with a young team this year especially the second half of the year.
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Post by sn1per »

This game will be a statement game for Little Falls, drawing the toughest 1st round opponent out of the seeded teams(still don't understand why they don't seed all 8). I expect them to dominate from the drop of the puck to the final buzzer. It's been a good run for Virginia, but the big stage will be too much for them.


Little Falls - 5
Virginia - 0


As for the whole tournament...

Mahtomedi over Cathedral(4-3 OT)
Warroad over Hutch(7-1)
Little Falls over Virginia(5-0)
Breck over Lourdes(4-3)

Warroad over Mahtomedi(3-1)
Little Falls over Breck(3-2 OT)

Little Falls over Warroad(4-2)
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Post by gophers101 »

passer07 wrote:
gophers101 wrote:
mnmouth wrote:Has Coach Hendrickson learned anything since his last (and only) visit to state? That's what I want to know. His club that year was overwhelmed in both of its games. This is a better team overall than that one was, but lacks ubertalented players like Niskanen and Sacketti. I see Hendrickson rolling all his lines, and it will be interesting to see if Little Falls will need to double shift the Hanowski line to gain an edge. Which might be the Flyers' surest way to victory.
If LF's first line is going to be out against Virgina's 3 and 4 lines it's going to be a long game. And even if Virgina somehow, some way wins this game they will not get out of the semi's and they'll end up 4th. Cathedral,Breck, and Warroad are too good. But I don't see them getting by the Flyers.
seems from your profile you havent had faith in devils in any game this year to come out on top i sure hope you dont make bets on their games :D

The only people picking Virginia to win are there own fans and some random Iron Rangers. I am from the Iron Range but I'm not going to be biased come state tourney time. Even if Hibbing,Falls,or Marshall was playing LF I'd still go with the Flyers. If I was a betting man, which I am, I'd go with the team thats undefeated and even when they struggle they still win. Virginia has a good team don't get me wrong but I just don't think they can do it. They've defied my expectations before and I realize that but LF has a lot to prove with everyone saying they play a weak schedule and all. I'm sticking with LF. I pick Virginia to take 6th.
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Post by SCC2009 »

i think this is roseau 08 all over again...LF falling in the first round and being a huge disappointment despite their record against an inferior schedule compared to SCC, warroad, breck, mahtomedi, virginia, it's a very comparable situation as roseau was last year....i think we will see it play out similar. virginia is looking great from what i have heard from people who attended their section final.
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Post by FlyerFan12 »

Little Falls 4
Virginia 3
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Post by grindiangrad-80 »

SCC2009 wrote:i think this is roseau 08 all over again...LF falling in the first round and being a huge disappointment despite their record against an inferior schedule compared to SCC, warroad, breck, mahtomedi, virginia, it's a very comparable situation as roseau was last year....i think we will see it play out similar. virginia is looking great from what i have heard from people who attended their section final.
Going back to the 50's it looks like 27 teams have entered the state tournament undefeated.
15 went on to win it.
12 did not. Roseau in 08 is not the only one by a long shot.
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Post by sid_the_kid »

sn1per wrote:This game will be a statement game for Little Falls, drawing the toughest 1st round opponent out of the seeded teams(still don't understand why they don't seed all 8). I expect them to dominate from the drop of the puck to the final buzzer. It's been a good run for Virginia, but the big stage will be too much for them.


Little Falls - 5
Virginia - 0

are you kidding me?
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Post by bluelineenvy »

PuckRanger
Very good take on Virginia/LF game. I have not seen Virginia play, and it sounds as if they are a very tough out. But I am curious to know if you have seen Alex or SCC play this year, because you could describe both of those teams almost the same as you did Virginia (except for maybe the 4th line bit).

And you also mentioned how much the BlueDevils have improved since the beginning of the year, do you think that LF hasn't? For one LF's 1st & 2nd lines will probably play as much if not more than they did in the first meeting with Virginia, and they are now in MUCH better condition than they were at the beginng of the year.

Second, LF's third line I believe is different from the one that played in Virginia, and they are playing really well as of late, much improved over what was seen in the beginning of the year.

Third-Correct me if I'm wrong but if LF is the one seed, and indeed the home team, they will be able to put the third line out in better match-ups/situations then they were able to in the game at Virginia.

I expect this to be a great game (1-2 goal margin at the most) and will cheer for Virginia to win it all if they beat LF. If LF can stay out of the box so the 1st & 2nd lines don't get worn out on the PK, LF wins. If not, Virginia has a great chance to win.
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Post by koontz711 »

the small falls fliers are going to stuggle in this tourny. first of all they played a close game with fergus falls(9-16-1) in the semi finals although they won 5-2 at one point in the third it was 2-1. they also should have lost to alexc in the finals but got out of it with an overtime victory. little falls goalie will not be up to the challenge of the teams this year. without ben this team is lost
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Post by bluelineenvy »

koontz711 wrote:the small falls fliers are going to stuggle in this tourny. first of all they played a close game with fergus falls(9-16-1) in the semi finals although they won 5-2 at one point in the third it was 2-1. they also should have lost to alexc in the finals but got out of it with an overtime victory. little falls goalie will not be up to the challenge of the teams this year. without ben this team is lost
So your saying LF will struggle because they beat Fergus 5-2 & should have lost to ALEX (LF outshot them 37-23)but Virginia (who beat Greenway 3-2 a little over a month ago and more recently 5-0) won't???

I don't like your argument.. and by the way, LF beat Greenay 14-0.
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bluelineenvy wrote:PuckRanger
Very good take on Virginia/LF game. I have not seen Virginia play, and it sounds as if they are a very tough out. But I am curious to know if you have seen Alex or SCC play this year, because you could describe both of those teams almost the same as you did Virginia (except for maybe the 4th line bit).
I was able to see SCC a couple of times, but, unfortunately, I have only seen Alexandria in some bits and pieces on tape since they didn't play anyone from up north. I was very impressed with what I've seen out of SCC, and I definitely think they are one of the teams to beat. They are very similar to Virginia in many regards, but just a little more high-end talent and a little less depth. The problem is LF played SCC so early in the season, its hard to say the result would be the same if they played now. My gut feeling is that it wouldn't. :(
bluelineenvy wrote:And you also mentioned how much the BlueDevils have improved since the beginning of the year, do you think that LF hasn't? For one LF's 1st & 2nd lines will probably play as much if not more than they did in the first meeting with Virginia, and they are now in MUCH better condition than they were at the beginng of the year.
I'm sure LF has improved some over the course of the year, but its really tough to say just how much. The only measuring stick in the second half of the season is a pair of games with Alexandria - and they seemed to have gotten closer as the season wound down, where as Virginia seemed to grow by leaps and bounds (they are a still a fairly young team with 7 sophomores and 5 juniors that play regularly, so there was a ton of room for improvement). Some of the teams that Virginia lost to or were close to at the beginning of the season, they have defeated fairly handily later in the season.
bluelineenvy wrote:Second, LF's third line I believe is different from the one that played in Virginia, and they are playing really well as of late, much improved over what was seen in the beginning of the year.

Third-Correct me if I'm wrong but if LF is the one seed, and indeed the home team, they will be able to put the third line out in better match-ups/situations then they were able to in the game at Virginia.
Having the last change won't benefit Little Falls all that much because of Virginia's depth. Virginia will roll their four lines just the same. Other than the opening face off, they really don't line-match that much until very late in the game - if its close. You would see Hanowksi's line out against all four lines throughout the game regardless. None of these lines were together back in December, and there were a handful of kids playing in their first or second varsity game for Virginia. Also, that entire game was played on the PP and PK, so line matching didn't play much of a roll. Games played this time of year tend to be much less penalty filled, so I doubt that will be the case here.

From what I've seen, the third line of LF doesn't play a ton in close games. Kind of reminds me of Hibbing/Chisholm -- and when their third line got out against Virginia in the section final, they were bottled up in their own end almost immediately by Virginia's 4th line and then by the top line.

I think talent-wise, LF has the better top line, but Virginia has the better 2nd, 3rd, and 4th. It will be hard to do anything with the line matching for coach Couture, because Virginia will be running shorter shifts - and really, who do you match up with? -- There just isn't much difference after the top line. Do you run that top line out against Virginia's top line and risk getting them worn down playing in their own end? Or do you send them out against one of the other three - who haven't been scored on in almost two months? ... and which line do you throw the third line out against? I see no clear advantage for LF in any of the matchups.
bluelineenvy wrote:I expect this to be a great game (1-2 goal margin at the most) and will cheer for Virginia to win it all if they beat LF. If LF can stay out of the box so the 1st & 2nd lines don't get worn out on the PK, LF wins. If not, Virginia has a great chance to win.
Don't get me wrong here, Virginia isn't going to dominate this thing from start to finish - LF will get their chances. It really should be a good game. I just think in the end, Virginia has better goaltending, wears them down, and takes over late. But hey, we can't play this thing for them on paper, they will play it on the ice, and high school hockey can be very unpredictable. Ya never know, maybe Virginia will come out and stare at the lights, crowd, and TV cameras for the first period and dig themselves a hole they can't climb out of. You just don't know -- That's what makes it fun to watch! :D

As far as the Greenway thing you mentioned in your next post, I wouldn't put much stock in that. I saw Greenway play a handful of times this season and they don't compare with anyone or anything related to this tournament. Their goaltender got hot for about three weeks and allowed them to pull off an upset and stay close with a few higher-end teams. I believe Greenway was outshot in the neighborhood of 50-15 in both games when Virginia played them. The final scores may look close, but the play was as about as lopsided as it gets. The shot totals were about the same when Little Falls played them. I should point out, it is precisely these games where lines three and four played a ton and got better for Virginia, where as LF ran out the Hanowski line and ran up the score. :wink:
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Post by bluelineenvy »

PuckRanger - Great points. I think I might be wrong on the point I made about LF's 1st and 2nd lines seeing just as much if not more ice time as their first meeting. I assume (and hope) that 18 - 20 penalites are not called in this game. LF's 3rd line does not PK and is seldom out on PP. Unless the first game was full of coincidental penalties, Virginia may indeed see more of LF's 3rd line.

Sounds like the flow of the first game was terrible. Does anyone have a link to the boxscore from that game?

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bluelineenvy wrote:
Sounds like the flow of the first game was terrible. Does anyone have a link to the boxscore from that game?

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starmvp wrote:
ironrangervhs09 wrote:In my opinion, Virginia has the best chance at LF. If they can stop hanowski from doing what he does, they'll win.
If they can shut down the whole team they will win. It's not all about one player.
There is no other player besides hanowski.
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ironrangervhs09 wrote: There is no other player besides hanowski.
Dude check your stats, you haven't seen this team play they are a quality team with pretty much all seniors and they have been to the state tournament all their high school career. Get a clue!
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Post by Dean_O66 »

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darkdemon wrote:
ironrangervhs09 wrote: There is no other player besides hanowski.
Dude check your stats, you haven't seen this team play they are a quality team with pretty much all seniors and they have been to the state tournament all their high school career. Get a clue!
This is always going to be what people argue and their is nothing to do about it.

The X has a bigger sheet of ice for Benny to work with.........just saying.
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koontz711 wrote:the small falls fliers are going to stuggle in this tourny. first of all they played a close game with fergus falls(9-16-1) in the semi finals although they won 5-2 at one point in the third it was 2-1. they also should have lost to alexc in the finals but got out of it with an overtime victory. little falls goalie will not be up to the challenge of the teams this year. without ben this team is lost
Good thing Ben is playing then! Plus, Alexandria is probably 2 or 3 goals better than Virginia, so I expect a 2 or 3 goal victory for the Flyers. I'm going 4-2.
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Post by adamp1914 »

I look for LF to prove their record is no fluke. 3 - 0 LF. Though, I think they get taken down by Breck.
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Post by gwos8301 »

It's gonna come down to LF's 2nd Line and possibly 3rd and the Defense and Goaltending. When the 2nd and 3rd line put up points they dominate. If you take a close look at all the LF's close games it was decided by somebody else than Hano. Bergie, Gosiak, and Moll have to stay out of the box and keep there heads on. LF 4-2. Go Flyers!!!
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darkdemon wrote:
ironrangervhs09 wrote: There is no other player besides hanowski.
Dude check your stats, you haven't seen this team play they are a quality team with pretty much all seniors and they have been to the state tournament all their high school career. Get a clue!
I'm going with Little Falls. They have the experience at the X, 4 years, and they have 13-14 seniors on the team, Leadership.
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dherman8 wrote:
darkdemon wrote:
ironrangervhs09 wrote: There is no other player besides hanowski.
Dude check your stats, you haven't seen this team play they are a quality team with pretty much all seniors and they have been to the state tournament all their high school career. Get a clue!
This is always going to be what people argue and their is nothing to do about it.

The X has a bigger sheet of ice for Benny to work with.........just saying.
The bigger ice is going to have no factor in the game.
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ironrangervhs09 wrote:
dherman8 wrote:The X has a bigger sheet of ice for Benny to work with.........just saying.
The bigger ice is going to have no factor in the game.
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