#1 Edina vs Moorhead

nordski48 · Post by **nordski48** » Mon Mar 09, 2009 8:55 am

Edina sure there number one, but that dont matter anymore. The spuds are on fire right now, Marks is playing solid and we are getting our best player back. Sure the spuds lost 3-0 earlier but who really cares about regular season now this is state the big boys. Moorhead wins the nail bitter 2-1....

WERE COMING EDINA

HardF1 · Post by **HardF1** » Mon Mar 09, 2009 10:11 am

Edina really is the best team in the state but they should not be looking pasat the spuds. I really want to see an upset here and the spuds could possibly do it..after all, anything can happen

Spuds 4
Edina 3

O-townClown · Post by **O-townClown** » Mon Mar 09, 2009 10:47 am

SPUDNUT wrote:I'm NOT impressed, either (with your numbers). Taters are 15-9-3 right now, your numbers add up to 14-9-2. You lost 2 games somewhere - better check your calculator batteries.

You should be impressed. I've taken the time to expose the fact that Moorhead is not "playing well" right now simply because they beat a whole slew of teams that aren't very good.

Your record includes games against teams without a PS2 rating, plus I may have missed one. I was going from memory when my post was lost. I'll recreate.

salol44 · Post by **salol44** » Mon Mar 09, 2009 10:49 am

This should be Edina's year. The "fab 5 sophmores" are seniors now, minus Buddish. They have been a top 5 team for 3 years now. If they lose you can place them right next to Moorhead in the biggest failures of all time category.

Edina 5
Mhead 2

O-townClown · Post by **O-townClown** » Mon Mar 09, 2009 11:08 am

Moorhead:

1-4-1 vs. Top 10
2-7-1 vs. Top 20
13-2-1 vs. the rest

L Edina 1
L Jeff 2
L Mtka 4
L DE 6
T Cent 8
W Warr 9

L STA 11
L H-M 18
W H-M 18
L Way 20

W WBL 21
W Ros 24
W Ros 24
W Ros 24
L TRF 26
W Alex 31
W GR 40
T St.CT 57
W Bem 58
L Bem 58
W Buf 68
W Buf 68
W Brain 69
W Brain 69
W EGF 76
W River Lks 116

halla · Post by **halla** » Mon Mar 09, 2009 11:20 am

If Edina comes out flat, and Moorhead is on top of their game, the Spuds can win. If Edina does not come out flat, then Moorhead has a shot if they really believe in themselves, come out playing the game of their lives, and get great goaltending. Unless Edina can carry over they way they played against Jefferson. If that happens, it's game over.

I'm gonna say 5-1 Edina.

This is no disrespect to Moorhead. I would not be saying this if I didn't think Moorhead was a good team.

O-townClown · Post by **O-townClown** » Mon Mar 09, 2009 11:38 am

Edina, for comparison

6-2 vs. Top 10
13-3 vs. Top 20
11-1 vs. the rest

Jeff W 2
EP W 3
EP W 3
Mtka W 4
Mtka L 4
Mtka W 4
Blaine W 5
Cent L 8

AHA W 12
AHA W 12
Moorhead W 14
H-M L 18
Elk River W 19
Wayzata W 20
Wayzata W 20
Wayzata W 20

B-SM W 22
B'ville W 23
Hopkins L 25
Hopkins W 25
Woodbury W 27
GR W 40
Buffalo W 68
Buffalo W 68
Armstrong W 71
Armstrong W 71
Cloquet W 72
Prior Lake W 101

Moorhead could win the game. Obviously you don't win state on paper. However, the notion that Moorhead "is playing better" is off-base. The truth is that they merely beat teams that aren't very good.

CitiesSpudsGuy · Post by **CitiesSpudsGuy** » Mon Mar 09, 2009 11:57 am

The real truth is that you haven't seen the Spuds play, otherwise you would've said that instead of doing all of the number crunching. The numbers you're throwing out don't tell the whole story. I've watched them play all year and I can tell you they are playing better now than they were earlier this year, back when they couldn't score a goal on anybody. The other thing those numbers don't tell is they are playing with more confidence now. I said it before and I'll say it again, you people saying the Spuds are going to get blown out are in for a big surprise.

dherman8 · Post by **dherman8** » Mon Mar 09, 2009 12:00 pm

It may not be Moorhead, but some defense will stand on their head again and take down Edina somewhere along the way. Moorhead has been inconsistent and with a bit of inexperienced goaltending will have a tough time but I don't see a blowout. I feel like if it's not Moorhead, Duluth East will get the job done. Go North!

adamp1914 · Post by **adamp1914** » Mon Mar 09, 2009 12:29 pm

Moorhead needs to be about 5 times better than Jefferson to have a chance. I don't think they are.

After watching Edina vs Jefferson and then EP vs Minnetonka, I was convinced I had just seen the 2009 State Champions in Edina.

5 - 1 Hornets. This is being optimistic for the Spuds.

nordski48 · Post by **nordski48** » Mon Mar 09, 2009 12:35 pm

let me just give you a slow clap O-townClown: clap....clap...clap..clap.clapclapclap, way to show the stats, that dont matter anymore, this is state anything go's, sure Edina is good but anything can happen. An i know Moorhead will come out and be ready.

Moorhead-2
Edina-1

O-townClown · Post by **O-townClown** » Mon Mar 09, 2009 12:38 pm

CitiesSpudsGuy wrote:The real truth is that you haven't seen the Spuds play, otherwise you would've said that instead of doing all of the number crunching. The numbers you're throwing out don't tell the whole story. I've watched them play all year and I can tell you they are playing better now than they were earlier this year, back when they couldn't score a goal on anybody. The other thing those numbers don't tell is they are playing with more confidence now. I said it before and I'll say it again, you people saying the Spuds are going to get blown out are in for a big surprise.

And you watch the Hornets all the time I'm sure.

The Gophers were undefeated entering Big Ten play and went 8-10. Are they "playing worse" now? Hardly. The non-con schedule was pretty soft and only a neutral court game over Louisville stands out.

The real season begins in January and Tubby's team unfortunately plays in the Big Ten. Add it up and what do you have? 8th seed for the BTT.

Were they "playing better" in late '08? Doubtful.

OF COURSE the kids on Moorhead have confidence now. That's what you get when you play Buffalo, River Lakes, Brainerd, and East Grand Forks. Jefferson had confidence too, until a couple minutes in when it was evident they weren't going to get many scoring chances and would have a hard time keeping up with Edina.

Edina can lose. I haven't seen where anyone says otherwise. But they probably won't.

What are you going to say when the Hornets pummel the snot out of Moorhead like they did Cloquet last year?

Probably nothing.

SPUDNUT · Post by **SPUDNUT** » Mon Mar 09, 2009 12:43 pm

O-townClown wrote:Moorhead:

1-4-1 vs. Top 10
2-7-1 vs. Top 20
13-2-1 vs. the rest

L Edina 1
L Jeff 2
L Mtka 4
L DE 6
T Cent 8
W Warr 9

L STA 11
L H-M 18
W H-M 18
L Way 20

W WBL 21
W Ros 24
W Ros 24
W Ros 24
L TRF 26
W Alex 31
W GR 40
T St.CT 57
W Bem 58
L Bem 58
W Buf 68
W Buf 68
W Brain 69
W Brain 69
W EGF 76
W River Lks 116

You gotta unzip your pants to count to 11? You're STILL missing a game!
(& I'm STILL not impressed)

halla · Post by **halla** » Mon Mar 09, 2009 1:30 pm

CitiesSpudsGuy wrote:The real truth is that you haven't seen the Spuds play, otherwise you would've said that instead of doing all of the number crunching. The numbers you're throwing out don't tell the whole story. I've watched them play all year and I can tell you they are playing better now than they were earlier this year, back when they couldn't score a goal on anybody. The other thing those numbers don't tell is they are playing with more confidence now. I said it before and I'll say it again, you people saying the Spuds are going to get blown out are in for a big surprise.

I haven't seen Moorhead at all this year. I don't doubt what everyone is saying about them playing good hockey right now. And they have played some close games against some good teams. I believe they are a good team, and not the best draw for Edina.

I have, however, seen Edina lots of times this year. In my opinion, they are more dangerous right now than they have been all year. Looking at the last four games:

- Came back from down 4-1 to beat Tonka. This was a game I think they really needed -- i.e. come-from-behind victory against a good team to build their confidence playing from behind.

- Took care of business against Prior Lake like everyone expected.

- Decisive win over AHA. Were not fazed giving up the early lead and got stronger as the game went on.

- Manhandled Jefferson for the section championship. Most complete game they've played all year.

The way I see it, over this stretch, the Hornets really have solidified the few weaknesses they had in their game. For Moorhead to win this one, I think they need to either play the game of their lives (especially the goaltender) or hope Edina relapses to one of their poorer performances.

spin-o-rama · Post by **spin-o-rama** » Mon Mar 09, 2009 1:33 pm

spudnut,
I am curious to see your thorough assessment of Moorhead's quarterfinal opponent. By your self proclaimed high standards, I'm sure it will impress.

This may surprise some of you, but O-town's odds to win state show the field being favored over Edina to win. Picking Edina's opponents collectively is not rooting for the underdog. In that case rooting for the underdog means rooting for Edina.

O-townClown · Post by **O-townClown** » Mon Mar 09, 2009 1:35 pm

Then figure it out Spudnut and adjust accordingly. I'm sure it changes things completely and will make everyone realize that Moorhead really has accomplished a lot this year.

The list I had from followthepuck showed at least one game against a team from North Dakota. If I've missed another it either wasn't on their site or is a transcription error on my part.

I'll let you worry which.

My point is clear, and obviously missed by delusional Moorhead supporters.

I say:
Edina is far more accomplished and should win easily, but could get beat in a single game if they don't play well or run into a hot goaltender.

You say:
Moorhead is playing better and won't get blown out.

My statement is correct. It acknowledges that there is the potential for any outcome. (Pressed, I predict Edina 5-2.)

Your statement doesn't allow for the obvious possibility that Edina steamrolls Moorhead like they did Holy Angels, Blaine, and Jefferson. All of whom had better seasons so far than Moorhead.

CitiesSpudsGuy · Post by **CitiesSpudsGuy** » Mon Mar 09, 2009 1:53 pm

O-townClown wrote:
CitiesSpudsGuy wrote:The real truth is that you haven't seen the Spuds play, otherwise you would've said that instead of doing all of the number crunching. The numbers you're throwing out don't tell the whole story. I've watched them play all year and I can tell you they are playing better now than they were earlier this year, back when they couldn't score a goal on anybody. The other thing those numbers don't tell is they are playing with more confidence now. I said it before and I'll say it again, you people saying the Spuds are going to get blown out are in for a big surprise.
And you watch the Hornets all the time I'm sure.

The Gophers were undefeated entering Big Ten play and went 8-10. Are they "playing worse" now? Hardly. The non-con schedule was pretty soft and only a neutral court game over Louisville stands out.

The real season begins in January and Tubby's team unfortunately plays in the Big Ten. Add it up and what do you have? 8th seed for the BTT.

Were they "playing better" in late '08? Doubtful.

OF COURSE the kids on Moorhead have confidence now. That's what you get when you play Buffalo, River Lakes, Brainerd, and East Grand Forks. Jefferson had confidence too, until a couple minutes in when it was evident they weren't going to get many scoring chances and would have a hard time keeping up with Edina.

Edina can lose. I haven't seen where anyone says otherwise. But they probably won't.

What are you going to say when the Hornets pummel the snot out of Moorhead like they did Cloquet last year?

Probably nothing.

No, I haven't watched the Hornets all year long. I'm also not the one who claims to know everything about the other team and how good they are either. You're the one doing that. I'm not denying Edina is a good team. They're deserving of the ranking and the accolades they get. I'm just still not convinced your precious Hornets will pummel the Spuds, as you say. If they do, I'll be man enough to admit I was wrong and wish them good luck the rest of the way. But what if the Spuds pull off the upset? I highly doubt you'll be doing the same.

And what are you babbling about the Gophers basketball team for? You're starting to sound like HSHockeybabbler. Stick to hockey.

O-townClown · Post by **O-townClown** » Mon Mar 09, 2009 1:58 pm

Cities Spuds:

I have merely commented on Moorhead's accomplishments. Section VIII champs and a winning streak against crappy opponents to close the year. How anyone could construe this as professing to know everything about another team is beyond me.

Statistics don't tell anyone what will happen, but they are very good at telling us what has happened. The reason some Moorhead supporters aren't happy to focus on the numbers is because they aren't pretty.

Best of luck to the Spuds. We'll see if they can avoid losing twice like last year's VIII rep. (Did win in 2007 though.)

DmanDad1980 · Post by **DmanDad1980** » Mon Mar 09, 2009 2:02 pm

Last Thursday night, was one of my most anticipated nights of this long hockey season...
I was present to watch, what i thought going in, the two best HS teams all season long playing the matchup of the year... I had no favorite in mind, and was excited to see some great hockey...
I did see some very good hockey, and it was all Edina. I have watched HS hockey for many years, and have never seen the type of domination I saw of potentially one of the best 2 or 3 teams in the state, as was the Jefferson team all year... Jefferson could not get anything going the whole night, and Edina looked as if they had 6 or 7 kids out there, it was truly dominate! Ofensive zone, defensive zone, it did not matter, it was all Green, all night...
At no time during this game did I think, "If Jefferson gets the next goal... things will turn..." It was lights out from the drop of the puck to final horn sounding...
Moorhead has an excellent bunch of kids, and to win Section 8AA is a great accomplishment, but if Edina plays like I witnessed on last Thursday, there is not another HS team in this state that could stay w/ them...
The hope that Moorhead has is either their goalie has the game of his career, or Edina comes in too overconfident...

I hope that it is not a blow out, but I expect a big win by the Hornets...

CitiesSpudsGuy · Post by **CitiesSpudsGuy** » Mon Mar 09, 2009 2:06 pm

O-townClown wrote:Cities Spuds:

I have merely commented on Moorhead's accomplishments. Section VIII champs and a winning streak against crappy opponents to close the year. How anyone could construe this as professing to know everything about another team is beyond me.

Statistics don't tell anyone what will happen, but they are very good at telling us what has happened. The reason some Moorhead supporters aren't happy to focus on the numbers is because they aren't pretty.

Best of luck to the Spuds. We'll see if they can avoid losing twice like last year's VIII rep. (Did win in 2007 though.)

And all I'm doing is saying the Spuds won't get killed by Edina, as you're saying. You're basing your decision on numbers. I'm basing my decision on what I've seen. That's fine. You have your way, I have mine. I'm done talking about it except to say we'll see what happens on Thursday.

So go ahead and get the last word in now. It's pretty obvious you always need to do that.

BBB · Post by **BBB** » Mon Mar 09, 2009 2:28 pm

After seeing the seedings and their draws, I actually wish roseau would have won the section so they could come down to X to get throttled by another bunch of rich, city kids for the third game in row.
But moorhead handled roseau easily and will only lose to Edina by 4 goals, 5-1 is my prediction.

JV State Champs · Post by **JV State Champs** » Mon Mar 09, 2009 2:35 pm

knotts wrote:
JV State Champs wrote:This one wont even be close Edina's forwards are too big, fast and skilled for Moorhead and their defensmen proved themselves against Jefferson. Moorhead just can't match them.
Edina 8
Moorhead 0
Those predicting a lopsided victory for Edina have clearly been over-dosing on the green cool-aid. This will be a close game, decided in the third period.

People were saying the same thing before Edina played Jefferson and look at the result.

knockneed · Post by **knockneed** » Mon Mar 09, 2009 3:05 pm

one thing that we can all count on and that is moorhead outcoaching the hornets. they might not win but their coaching will give them the edge in the tactical game.

HockeyFan1 · Post by **HockeyFan1** » Mon Mar 09, 2009 3:33 pm

BBB wrote:After seeing the seedings and their draws, I actually wish roseau would have won the section so they could come down to X to get throttled by another bunch of rich, city kids for the third game in row.
But moorhead handled roseau easily and will only lose to Edina by 4 goals, 5-1 is my prediction.

RoseauHockeyFan · Post by **RoseauHockeyFan** » Mon Mar 09, 2009 3:39 pm

I believe that Edina is a better team than Moorhead, and are deserving of their #1 seeding. But high school hockey is perhaps the most unpredictable of sports. If history has taught us anything, it's not always the better team that wins. I'm still sore from Roseau's loss to Moorhead in the section final, but if I am honest - I hope Moorhead beats Edina, or at least make it a close game.

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