12U B State Tourney Bracket

Go Gophers · Post by **Go Gophers** » Mon Mar 09, 2009 8:36 am

Lakeville Gold (33-7-4)
vs
Princeton (40-8-1)

Park Rapids (at least 14-1-1) no other games posted
vs
Centennial Red (42-2-1)

Osseo Maple Grove Orange (34-9-2)
vs
Red Wing (29-3-2)

Proctor (36-3-1)
vs
Eden Prairie Black (24-10-3)

*Disclaimer - records are what I could find, so apologies if I missed anything.

Predictions?

Proctor over the Red Machine 3-1 in the championship game.

TheSouthSide · Post by **TheSouthSide** » Mon Mar 09, 2009 12:30 pm

Thanks for putting this together! Red Wing has a few more wins, but no biggie.

My bet is on Red Wing!!!

JohnnyBuck · Post by **JohnnyBuck** » Mon Mar 09, 2009 7:11 pm

Looks to be a very good state tournament. Some very good teams! Centennial Red is my odds on favorite to win. Red wing is my dark horse.

outofsite · Post by **outofsite** » Mon Mar 09, 2009 7:38 pm

Lakeville Gold or Eden Prairie Black in the final

gostarsgo · Post by **gostarsgo** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 7:54 am

powerplayer · Post by **powerplayer** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 8:35 am

Proctor does not have an A team, a U10 or U14 according to their web site.

redshoes · Post by **redshoes** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 8:48 am

It will be a great weekend of hockey to say the least... I have to go with Centennial Red to take it all. That team has heart, passion and talent! Not to mention a great coaching staff!

Good luck to all teams!

GO BIG RED!!

royals dad · Post by **royals dad** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 9:41 am

gostarsgo - The associaitons with no A teams have 3 or 4 girls who could skate A and 10 or 11 who cant or shouldnt. You could argue that large associations like EP and LV should follow Edina and skate 2 A teams. If you look at this field it is a pretty good mix, same as last year. This same thing comes up every year and when you look at past champions it ends up a good mix as well. I only know of 1 association in the state that runs two B teams and no A team and they are not in this field. That means for the most part teams running no A team they have not made cuts, whoever signed up is on the one team.

People need to move on from this, no one is doing anything wrong they are just trying to give all thier kids a place to play. It is sad that some coaches and parents actually bring this up to the kids, heard it first hand last year. Just let them play the games and enjoy the season. U12b is what it is.

drop the puck · Post by **drop the puck** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 11:20 am

Lake Gold, RW, and EP Black are all strong teams.

Imagine if that young lady (7th grader) was playing for the 12B Redwing team instead of skating for the varsity team at the X.

LetPlayHockey01 · Post by **LetPlayHockey01** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 11:48 am

All the team's in the state tourniment are all really good team's!
I'm Going for Centennial Red (Big red)to win it all.
They do have some player that talk back.
But.. They have everythng to win it all.
The heart Desire and Effort.
They are a tough team they play the game right. And give everything into the game to win it.
But i aslo think Proctor will be playng them in the championship. Or Big red will be playng them. Their two amazing teams. And have made it this far to win it all.

Does any one know anything else about Proctor?

jollyroger · Post by **jollyroger** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 12:25 pm

royals dad wrote:gostarsgo - The associaitons with no A teams have 3 or 4 girls who could skate A and 10 or 11 who cant or shouldnt. You could argue that large associations like EP and LV should follow Edina and skate 2 A teams. If you look at this field it is a pretty good mix, same as last year. This same thing comes up every year and when you look at past champions it ends up a good mix as well. I only know of 1 association in the state that runs two B teams and no A team and they are not in this field. That means for the most part teams running no A team they have not made cuts, whoever signed up is on the one team.

People need to move on from this, no one is doing anything wrong they are just trying to give all thier kids a place to play. It is sad that some coaches and parents actually bring this up to the kids, heard it first hand last year. Just let them play the games and enjoy the season. U12b is what it is.

Couldn't Minnesota Hockey add a third level for girls (the boys have 3)? Maybe one of them could be only for the non-A team sponsoring associations and the other one for those who do have an A team. Most associations have a very good reason for not sponsoring an A team. I haven't seen a 12B team yet who could compete with A teams (including Redwing and the Mahtomedis, which people complain about).

OuttaTheZone · Post by **OuttaTheZone** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 1:23 pm

royals dad wrote:You could argue that large associations like EP and LV should follow Edina and skate 2 A teams.

This is the first year that EP finally had the numbers to support three U12 teams. Both B teams were pretty evenly matched. However, I couldn't imagine either B team playing at the A level this year. If EP chose to take the best B players and play them at A, it would have been a negative season for both the A2 team and the B team. I think the association made the right decision (not that it was ever up for discussion).

royals dad wrote:Just let them play the games and enjoy the season. U12b is what it is.

Right on! The "true" U12B versus "ringer" U12B discussion is tiresome to me.

jollyroger wrote:Couldn't Minnesota Hockey add a third level for girls (the boys have 3)?

If there were an equivalent number of girls in the girls program as boys in the boys program, then adding more levels and subdividing might make sense (B1, B2, C). However, the girls numbers just aren't there. And, besides, the better teams often get to play each other in the tournaments and in non-league games/scrimmages.

As a coach (which I'm not), I'd actually be more concerned about the development of the girls on a team that continually plows through the competition. The girls need the challenged to help them develop into better hockey players.

It's fun to win, but it's actually more fun to meet and overcome the challenges (no matter how difficult this is on the parent armchair coaches).

I think it's great that a small town like Proctor with about 14 girls in their whole program can take on and beat the bigger, deeper, richer metro area associations.

royals dad · Post by **royals dad** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 3:07 pm

"This is the first year that EP finally had the numbers to support three U12 teams. Both B teams were pretty evenly matched. However, I couldn't imagine either B team playing at the A level this year. If EP chose to take the best B players and play them at A, it would have been a negative season for both the A2 team and the B team. I think the association made the right decision (not that it was ever up for discussion)."

Didn't mean to take a shot at EP, I had just noticed this year we have U12B teams from associations with no A team and U12B teams from associations with at least 2 B teams. The whole "true" B team argument IMO does not work for either. If you cut 30 players from A at least a few could have skated A just fine.
All these teams, coaches, and parents should be proud to have gotten this far. Play hard and have fun.

TheSouthSide · Post by **TheSouthSide** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 3:39 pm

Red Wing could possibly have three girls playing U12's from their varsity team and one was the their second leading scorer!

If anyone thinks that RW should be playing A's, they may want to pull their head out! They might have four girls that are 12A caliber players and have a U10 eligable girl centering their first line.

If other larger associations with three times the enrollment than Red Wing want to complain about getting beat by them, they might want to take a long look at their association first.

It is fun watching an association with just 40 girls in it beat some of the "giants." The argument that RW should be playing A is a complete waste of time.

jollyroger · Post by **jollyroger** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 4:27 pm

I don't think anyone is saying that they 'should' be playing U12A. I think the complaint is that in an association with an A team, the B team is made up of the 15th best player and below. There might be some very solid players but there won't be stars who totally dominate a game against anyone.

In an association with no A team, there usually are 2 or 4 players who are A material and sometimes a top-notch A-type player. Then that player dominates the game and it really doesn't 'look' like a hockey game anymore. It's a weird distorted game of keepaway with one player vs. 5. It' doesn't seem fair to the 'true' B players to compete against a kid so far above their level and it really isn't good for the exceptional player either. It's nobody's fault, it's just a tough situation.

JohnnyBuck · Post by **JohnnyBuck** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 7:00 pm

gostarsgo wrote:Shouldn't this thread be called the U12A- State Tournament Brackets.

How many of these teams have A programs. Amazing how these teams have 16-19 kids on the same kids are out every other shift.

3-4 A players dominate and the rest come along.

Yipee

I think Royals dad said it very well. I agree, Gostarsgo needs to let it go! Let these girls enjoy their exprience. The state tournament is the state tournament. They are twelve year old girls and they have no control over what level they play at. If you don't like it stay off of this thread (Although i bet you are on it because your daughter is playing "B" hockey).

Yippee!

hs hockey fan · Post by **hs hockey fan** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 8:57 pm

drop the puck wrote:Lake Gold, RW, and EP Black are all strong teams.

Imagine if that young lady (7th grader) was playing for the 12B Redwing team instead of skating for the varsity team at the X.

Imagine tartan with the 3 playes that decided to play varsity hockey this year and think how good they would have been this year.

MoveYourFeet · Post by **MoveYourFeet** » Wed Mar 11, 2009 9:54 am

Why do some of you get so bent out of shape when it comes to "true B teams". Its a geographical/community based argument that cannot be "fixed" to accomodate the few.

If EP/Centennial/Lakeville had small programs like the Red Wings of our state, then they to would lose girls to high school too. That is why the MSHSL has made out hockey tournament in Minnesota a 2 tier tournament. And not becuase the 1A boys (entire girls tourney) is such a profit machine.

The same teams for the most part are always there and that is just because of numbers, pure numbers and a lot of community commitment (Roseau/Warroad) that makes the difference. Yes, yes you will retort with coaching, but if you dont have a large talent pool and a really big community support system (Roseau/Warroad) you wont see Red Wing win any A youth hockey championships or AA high school tournament play. The reason of course is SIZE, a Red Wing will not opt to play up in Youth Hockey or AA high school because of talent or numbers. My point to that is; because IT WOULD NOT BE THE BEST FOR THE PROGRAM AND POSSIBLY INHIBIT DEVELOPMENT. Please bring on the Johnny Pohl data and lets see the string of success to date, not just a band aide for a time.

Thats all for now. Great to be a part of this discussion.

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Tonights all right for fight'n!

drop the puck · Post by **drop the puck** » Wed Mar 11, 2009 9:26 pm

My comment was not meant to be a negative on RWs decision to play B, it was a comment on how good this team would have been with this additional 7th grader.

Interesting how Bantam A coaches worry about losing key 9th graders to HS teams, few if any PWA coaches ever need fear losing their top 7th grader.

lg1712 · Post by **lg1712** » Sat Mar 14, 2009 10:25 am

Just got back from vacation and found the final brackets this morning. No way is Centennial Red gonna be denied next weekend! My daughter plays for the other Centennial B team. Our only losses all year were to Princeton, Proctor, North Metro, Mahtomedi and the Reds. The Reds were the only team to shut us out - and they did it twice! The Reds' only losses were to Princeton (they beat them twice, though) and Eden Prairie. If they see EP in the final, no way they're gonna lose again. I don't see EP getting past Proctor, though. Those girls are tough and disciplined -- but the "big red machine" is too fast and too well-coached. And, my "#3" is possibly the best goalie in the state.

Go Gophers · Post by **Go Gophers** » Sat Mar 14, 2009 7:44 pm

"And, my "#3" is possibly the best goalie in the state."

Huh?

lg1712 · Post by **lg1712** » Sat Mar 14, 2009 8:56 pm

Go Gophers wrote:"And, my "#3" is possibly the best goalie in the state."

Huh?

The goalie for the Reds is my daughter's best friend and is like a "3rd daughter" to me.

Go Gophers · Post by **Go Gophers** » Sat Mar 14, 2009 9:14 pm

LOL - I thought the Goalie for Red was #1 - Makes sense now - Thanks.

CenRedFan · Post by **CenRedFan** » Sun Mar 15, 2009 7:19 am

I'm hoping for Cen Red of course but I'm thinking a sleeper team could come in and get it all. I don't think you can base things on who beat who when during the regular season. All the teams going to state played some hard regional action so I think it's really up in the air.

matthebat · Post by **matthebat** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 4:18 pm

Watch out for Park Rapids for an upset on Centennial Red

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