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bubblehockey27 · Post by **bubblehockey27** » Mon Mar 09, 2009 5:40 pm

Just wanting to see what everyone's thoughts were on the section tourneys. Is everyone satisfied with the realignments from two years ago??

Personally I like the way they had them laid out in 2007, and if they moved teams in the sections to make the state tourney more competitive, I don't believe they are doing a good job. Seems like its the same teams every year (or 2).

outofsite · Post by **outofsite** » Mon Mar 09, 2009 5:50 pm

bubblehockey27 wrote:Just wanting to see what everyone's thoughts were on the section tourneys. Is everyone satisfied with the realignments from two years ago??

Personally I like the way they had them laid out in 2007, and if they moved teams in the sections to make the state tourney more competitive, I don't believe they are doing a good job. Seems like its the same teams every year (or 2).

Really I dont think it matters how they lay it out, the more complete team will show in the end.

Roseauverrated · Post by **Roseauverrated** » Mon Mar 09, 2009 6:06 pm

Does anyone have a link that shows what the previous section alignments were? I've done some searching and can't seem to find them anywhere.

bubblehockey27 · Post by **bubblehockey27** » Mon Mar 09, 2009 6:12 pm

Roseauverrated wrote:Does anyone have a link that shows what the previous section alignments were? I've done some searching and can't seem to find them anywhere.

check under minnhock and go to section archives....lots of good history there

hockeydad · Post by **hockeydad** » Mon Mar 09, 2009 8:06 pm

And of course, later this week, the league will vote on the new realignment plan. It shouldn't be as drastic as the one two years ago, just some tweaking to allow for changes in enrollment/new prorgrams etc.

Roseauverrated · Post by **Roseauverrated** » Mon Mar 09, 2009 10:38 pm

Wow if you thought 6AA was stacked this season check out what it would have been if they hadn't realigned the sections 2 years ago: Edina, Eden Praire, Minnetonka, Jefferson, Benilde, and Hopkins.

adamp1914 · Post by **adamp1914** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 9:45 am

Heard the Lake conference is disbanning. True or False?

Goldy Gopher · Post by **Goldy Gopher** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 9:49 am

bubblehockey27 wrote:Just wanting to see what everyone's thoughts were on the section tourneys. Is everyone satisfied with the realignments from two years ago??

Personally I like the way they had them laid out in 2007, and if they moved teams in the sections to make the state tourney more competitive, I don't believe they are doing a good job. Seems like its the same teams every year (or 2).

So what are you suggesting? Put all the teams that have been recently going to state in the same section so they knock each other off and we see new faces at state?

I would rather see the best teams represented at state and I think the current section alignments do a great job of that. Except for the disaster that is 3A, every single A section sent a team that can make some noise in state.

pioneers · Post by **pioneers** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 9:53 am

[quote="adamp1914"]Heard the Lake conference is disbanning. True or False?[/quotY

True Although I am not sure of what the teams are going to do.

Stealth · Post by **Stealth** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 10:24 am

Rogers went to single A this year when they lost a Coop. is there any others programs that will move to AA or has a decline in enrollment numbers to go down in classification? Apollo changed two years ago to single A...

Goldy Gopher · Post by **Goldy Gopher** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 10:55 am

Stealth wrote:Rogers went to single A this year when they lost a Coop. is there any others programs that will move to AA or has a decline in enrollment numbers to go down in classification? Apollo changed two years ago to single A...

They did in fact drop down to class A two years ago but not because their enrollment dropped. They had been opting up to AA in previous seasons.

Mite-dad · Post by **Mite-dad** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 12:10 pm

Stealth wrote:Rogers went to single A this year when they lost a Coop. is there any others programs that will move to AA or has a decline in enrollment numbers to go down in classification? Apollo changed two years ago to single A...

I heard rumors that Northern Lakes might move down to A. Any truth to this?

Stealth · Post by **Stealth** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 4:46 pm

If they still have the same coop as below, that would be 1442 enrollment based on two year old numbers.

The break was after Cretin at 1319 and above two years ago.

Of course this will / could change.

Northern Lakes:
Aitkin 373
Crosby/Ironton 357
Northland 149
Pequat Lakes 455
Pine River 257

defense · Post by **defense** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 5:59 pm

bubblehockey27 wrote:Just wanting to see what everyone's thoughts were on the section tourneys. Is everyone satisfied with the realignments from two years ago??

Personally I like the way they had them laid out in 2007, and if they moved teams in the sections to make the state tourney more competitive, I don't believe they are doing a good job. Seems like its the same teams every year (or 2).

What section(s) did you like in 2007??? I'll tell you there were a lot that were screwed up. I am very satisfied with section 6a, Detroit Lakes played in 8 for a few years for some dumb reasons, now their back were they belong. Section 8a was always good, except when DL was there. Section 5a is screwed up though.

I don't have a problem with "weak" sections" people will say that Hutchinson doesn't deserve to be there...what does that say for the team they beat if they win one??? As long as they make the decision and stick with it. I would like to see them leave sections alone for longer periods of time.

sllek · Post by **sllek** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 6:13 pm

defense: I agree 100% with your last sentence and it appears we're going to get our wish. I'm almost positive that the state high school league ahs decided that from now on section realignment will take place every four years instead of every two years. I think this is a great move. It will allow playoff rivalries like Eden Prairie/Benilde to develop.

weatherthestorm · Post by **weatherthestorm** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 7:27 pm

its ok.
Section 1A- some good competition
2A-breck walked through, it was more interesting last year
3A-everyone knows....what a joke
4A-maybe the toughest section overall, four talented teams(go public schools)
5A-always has been a battle between SCC and hermantown..always intersting
6A-Not much here accept for LF..dont know what to expect next year
7A-Good competition here, four quality teams
8A-Warroad basically owns this section other than TRF put up a good fight

for the most part i like them, maybe a couple with a slight change here and there...especially 3A..please

bubblehockey27 · Post by **bubblehockey27** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 7:53 pm

Maybe I don't know how to rightly convey my opinion, but I do feel as if 3A is possibly the weakest section ever created. Maybe Hutch can pull off an upset, but 3 upsets in a row seems like a difficult task....even for Cinderella.

I think one section that I really liked was from 2001, section 5AA. I thought it would have been great to see Jefferson and Edina square off in state this year, instead of in the section final. Some other teams I would like to see moved around are Elk River and Anoka. Again, just a personal opinion but I don't believe they belong in 7AA. I think this year's section 5AA needs to change, someway and somehow. Its pretty much a Conference playoff to get to the state tourney. Maybe the MSHSL could bring some different teams in, so we're not seeing one section represented by the NW Suburban.

bombsquad06 · Post by **bombsquad06** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 10:46 pm

Ok to those critics of what is now section 3a. The state high school league made the changes two years ago because of where teams were located in the state. Right? What could be done to get a powerhouse put into it? Serious look at the schools in that section and try and put someone into it that could make a difference. New Ulm and Hutch are the Eastern most teams and Willmar or Litchfield are the northern most teams. Now each of these schools could go to a different section but who do you move in? New Ulm, Hutch, Willmar and Litchfield already don't play most of the teams in the section because they don't have JV and are very long road trips. About the only thing that could be done is to move a New Prague or the Mankato schools in but that would make for 12 or 13 schools in 3a because they have 11 now. Ok now for all of the people that bit*h about 3a lets hear your fix?

bubblehockey27 · Post by **bubblehockey27** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 11:33 pm

bombsquad06 wrote:Ok to those critics of what is now section 3a. The state high school league made the changes two years ago because of where teams were located in the state. Right? What could be done to get a powerhouse put into it? Serious look at the schools in that section and try and put someone into it that could make a difference. New Ulm and Hutch are the Eastern most teams and Willmar or Litchfield are the northern most teams. Now each of these schools could go to a different section but who do you move in? New Ulm, Hutch, Willmar and Litchfield already don't play most of the teams in the section because they don't have JV and are very long road trips. About the only thing that could be done is to move a New Prague or the Mankato schools in but that would make for 12 or 13 schools in 3a because they have 11 now. Ok now for all of the people that bit*h about 3a lets hear your fix?

Make it the old 3A? Just a Suggestion....

And by the way, I'm not "hating" on your section....just saying its a weaker section.

bombsquad06 · Post by **bombsquad06** » Wed Mar 11, 2009 12:37 am

Also you have to remember that this is a state issue and that no school in 3a had a choice. I would like to see NU back in section 1a and play a tougher regular season schedule. They lost games with good teams because of the section change.

defense · Post by **defense** » Wed Mar 11, 2009 8:23 am

Everything runs in cycles.

3a, though weak this year, has potential. Hutchinson, Willmar, New Ulm.. any of those teams could come along with a great team any year.
6a, yeah, Little Falls was the powerhouse this year, Alexandria had one helluva year..state ranked I do believe.....Fergus Falls, St. Cloud Apollo, Detroit Lakes...all have programs that surge and fade....
8a, Warroad yes, is dominant...how about East Grand Forks, they have won more 8a championships than Theif River Falls... need I talk about the possibilities of Crookston or Baudette???

I have written on the sections that I am most familiar with, I would sure think this holds true all over.

The point is, the MSHSL, does not have a crystal ball. They cannot form sections based on having a state tournement stacked every year. They have to do what makes sense. Some sections don't make sense now, some do..We have to talk geography, rivalries, conferences to make a good section, in my opinion. Doning this is going to leave some sections weak for periods of time..live with it, they, sooner or later will have something to offer. You have to leave section alignment alone for longer periods of time if you really want some great rivalries...wich leads to good competition and better quality.....

Mite-dad · Post by **Mite-dad** » Wed Mar 11, 2009 8:30 am

Stealth wrote:If they still have the same coop as below, that would be 1442 enrollment based on two year old numbers.

The break was after Cretin at 1319 and above two years ago.

Of course this will / could change.

Northern Lakes:
Aitkin 373
Crosby/Ironton 357
Northland 149
Pequat Lakes 455
Pine River 257

Someone told me Pine River may drop out of this coop???????

Post by **karl(east)** » Wed Mar 11, 2009 11:21 am

Mite-dad wrote:
Stealth wrote:If they still have the same coop as below, that would be 1442 enrollment based on two year old numbers.

The break was after Cretin at 1319 and above two years ago.

Of course this will / could change.

Northern Lakes:
Aitkin 373
Crosby/Ironton 357
Northland 149
Pequat Lakes 455
Pine River 257
Someone told me Pine River may drop out of this coop???????

If that's the case, that would move them down into A.

Might not be a bad thing for this program. They have improved quite a bit over the past few years, though.

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