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goldy313
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Post by goldy313 »

How often do you have the puck?
How often does your team have the puck?
Do you ever watch hockey?

Hockey is a team game, all the individual skills are great, no question but there has to be some balance. Did you see the Edina/Moorhead game? Team play trumped individual skills, why do the Gophers lose to teams vastly inferior in talent? Team skills trump individual skills. A team beats individuals nearly everytime.

You need to be able to move without the puck when your team has the puck, you need to know where to be when the other team has the puck and you always, always need to know where you are in relation to the opponent and your net. All the skating and stickhandling skills mean nothing if you are continually lost in relation to the game of hockey.
Edger
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Post by Edger »

As usual, you are spot-on, goldy.
Great post.
Your first three lines in that post especially hit home with me, used 'em hundreds of times myself.
The "little things" that take kids from pretty good to really solid are what set teams apart.
How much kids watch and understand the game is a huge factor in determining how good they will become. "Seeing" the game is far more important than almost any other skill, imo.
Keep up the good work.
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Post by Sioux Fan »

Having a program that keeps enough players available to teach these things may be valuable too!! Making it fun and exciting to play and to learn is vital to developing enough players. Working them hard and getting them ready to compete is important. Lots of things to do. When do we start.


Because there is always next year... We can do better.
Fighting Sioux Forever
Edger
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Post by Edger »

I know you do your part, siouxfan, and it is appreciated.
You do your best to bring a higher level of hockey to those who strive for it, and that is a great legacy. Keep it up.
sick15
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Post by sick15 »

When i was younger and in the RYHA i used to hate when doug z came to our practices just because it was so boring. We would do the same thing every time no matter what level i was on. we would stand and practice on stick handling with our heads up and then do long strides and work on our individual strides. Looking back on it i dont see how it helped me improve my skills that much at all.

Getting back to the Bantam A situation and who is going where..

I believe a few of their top players are headed to lourdes. Another Vessel to join the eagles and another Campbell... like 6 or seven players

and i know the kautz twins are at century one being a goalie the other a D as well as a few forwards heroff and jacobs and samuelson. as well as a few others.. i think its like a total of 6 to century

only a couple are headed to JM

no one to PLEASE BAN ME ass mayo so thats good news


looks like century and lourdes will be the top contenders from roch town again...
Hockey1919
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Post by Hockey1919 »

Goldy it's is COACHING that takes the individual talent and puts it into a system for Team Hockey to be successful. So if you want to start pointing finger start with coaching maybe they need to bring more up temple to practices to help in the games. The individual skills are being taught in the youth program where it is supposed to.
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Post by UMinn04 »

Pepper Brooks, Dont make fun of hockey parent because he was exactly right when he described how Century practices go. Not only do goalies just sit around but so do half the players when they are working on PP and PK. Century is one of the only programs w/out a goalie coach and I've heard many times from their players that the drills are horrible.
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uminn04

Post by howdypartiner »

UMinn04

Ive been to century's practices as well. They only have 2 goalies so each is in the net the whole time. Nobody is sitting around on the boards. If you go to any team that has a 3rd string he stands around and takes shots when one of the other 2 is tired and needs a break no matter what level.
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Post by WBL 8888 »

Goldy & Edger you don't seem to have anything to say about the Coaching in Rochester and that is what it boils down to. I have been going up against the Rochester program for awhile and if some of those coaches were at the High School Level they would be among the elite every year. You shouldn't put down they youth program and the way it is run it is one a of the best in the state.
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Post by wtbearlk1111 »

Goldy's kid is A JV kid who will never play varsity. His kid never made a traveling team, So take what Goldy says for what he knows about hockey, nothing.
He is just a below average Announcer and I think he quit that too.
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Post by goldy313 »

Close wtbearlk1111, real close. My oldest two boys played at Lourdes in the mid 90's though only one played varsity, the other quit hockey to hunt and ice fish my youngest two wrestled for Stewartville a few years ago, something I have posted on here numerous times.

As for the youth program, my objection is the same as many others. Why focus on making a very few kids elite players instead of making as many kids as possible into good players? Rochester has a population of over 100,000, far bigger than any other youth hockey association, probably double the next biggest. Rochester has 5211 kids in high school, 41% bigger than the next biggest school that has players come from 1 association. They should be able to produce a top bantam A team every year, given the affluence of Rochester it would be an embarrasment if they didn't. The numbers of kids trying out for high school hockey continues to drop, the number of kids playing bantams continues to dropp as well, when my oldet son was a bantam Rochester had 2 Bantam A teams, 2 Bantam B teams, a Bantam C team and 6 house teams, Rochester has 6 total Bantam teams this season. Having a guy coach a bantam team because he has a level 3 card but who can't explain a two man forecheck or defensive zone coverage is killng hockey.

I spent years coaching house teams, many of my kids went on to play high school hockey, none were stars but many played. Most of these kids couldn't afford to travel, whether the announcers kid traveled or not shouldn't be an issue, Rochester used to field 1 A team yet somehow mangaged to get high school teams ranked in the top 10 in the state on a yearly basis, sometimes 2 of them. Where do you think many of these team players came from? It was't the always the traveling program. Now Rochester still fields 1 true bantam A team and can't get a school a sniff of the top 10 anymore. They spend way to much on the top 18 not enough on the rest. That's an issue, my issue, many peoples issue. We need more kids playing not less. Not every kid can be a great stickhandler or have a great shot, that's life. Instead of taking these kids and turning them into grinders and defensive defensemen RYHA spends time trying to fit these square pegs into round holes. Playing defense is little more than simple geometry and skating yet we completely ignore this and skate around cones and work on our stride. Some of most physically gifted underclassmen in Rochester's high schools this season struggle with their positioning, something you didn't see from EP, Blaine, or Moorhead but something you did see from East and Century, I doubt that was a coincidence because it never is. If these kids had a better handle on the fundementals of hockey; not just the physical aspects they'd be much better teams. The attitude that because you traveled or didn't as a squirt you're going to be a good high school player is beyond narrow sighted, the attitude that because your parents make this and can afford to send you to that camp makes you any better than the kid who hangs the skates up in March and plays baseball until August then puts on football cleats until October is equally as short sighted but that is far to often the attitude by the powersth be in hockey. Ask Sioux fan about the benefit of playing other sports, or Doug Zmolek, a heck of a QB. Most every kid who left Rochester to play Division 1 hockey played multiple sports. We have some great athletes here, we need to make it possible to keep as many of them playing hockey as we can, that will help all 4 programs.

wtbearlk1111, you don't read many of my posts because I talk about this stuff all the time. I've played in the USHL before deciding I liked football more and went to play at Iowa State, coached highschool and CC football, been around kids coaching hockey when house teams didn't get indoor ice for practices, when I had to pick up half my team because their parents weren't affluent enough to get them to practice... Don't tell me I know nothing about hockey, I do. Others have different philosophies than I do and that's all right, with out it there would be no innovation. I hve many arguments about this stuff, and my main argument is always and always will be that hockey is a great game and we need to get nmore kids playing, not less. I don't care who wins, whether it's Century, JM, or Mayo. (I'd care about Lourdes too if they went to AA) It will be good for hockey in Rochester if any of them have success. Nobody outside the RYHA board and the parens and kids on the team care how Rochester Red does next weekend. It won't help get kids interested in playing hockey, Century getting to state will, too bad they couldn't have won and been on TV more.
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Post by oldironsides »

wtbearlk1111 wrote:Goldy's kid is A JV kid who will never play varsity. His kid never made a traveling team, So take what Goldy says for what he knows about hockey, nothing.
He is just a below average Announcer and I think he quit that too.
My kid is on JV, he may never play varsity, in fact he may not even play hockey next year, that's up to him. Hockey isn't his life, in fact it falls behind track and 4-H softball in the sports pecking order which is fine by me. He never made a traveling team, you're right, he also never tried out for one. Hockey to him has always been a game. After his first year of bantams he wasn't sure if he wanted to play hockey again, so instead of putting out $500 to see if he wanted to play he waited and tried out for Century, it was $175 and if he got cut or decided he didn't want to play anymore we got our money back. Only 35 or so kids tried out and he made the team as no one was cut, he made some good friends on that team and had fun playing hockey again. This year wasn't so good but that's life, he wasn't having much fun and finally had his season end when he seperated his shoulder. Not every kid in high school sports has high level aspirations, some just want to have fun; what a concept!!!

I'm glad you think I'am below average announcer, I get paid minimum wage to do it and got the job when the the guy before me died, I'm sorry I can't recall his name but I was just working letting kids in and out of the penalty box as I had since the 93-94 season, no one else wanted to announce so I filled in. I've been the fill in since 2000. You're more than welcome to have the job if you want, I'll go back to moving nets or running the clock like I've done for JM for 15 years. It's a better job, I get to talk to the kids and parents don't get upset at me for mispronuncing their kids names. I didn't quit, I don't know where you came up with that, I do miss games because announcing Century games is something I do on my off time, I have a job and a family that comes first.

It's nice that after 8:45 mass a friend of mine tells me some anonymous yahoo on the internet is making fun of me and my son. My name is Brian, if you know my son then you know who I am, nice of you to go on a message board and post about us - worse claim we're somebody we're not. I'll post my e-mail in the member list feel free to e-mail me, I don't hide behind anonymous names and make fun of people.
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Post by Edger »

Sorry if I added any problems to this thread.
I've just always respected the opinions of goldy and siouxfan.
If somewhere along the way I agreed with ripping coaches, I take it back.
I come from a smaller program and have, and always have had, nothing but he utmost respect for Rochester, from top to bottom.
They split up and make at least 4 very good HS programs every year, that impresses the heck out of me.
My sons played against them in the North/South days of their youth association, and they were always the best we ever faced.
Just clearing the air on that. And glad I'm not in their decision-making process, it's tough. Kids must feel intense pressure as well, to choose where they go, and to choose wisely. Makes for lots of anger and opinions.
The rest of the state would be in big trouble if they ever had their top talent on one squad. Feeding 4 programs gives a whole lot of kids the opportunity to play HS hockey.
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Post by hockeywatcher99 »

goldy313 wrote:
pepper brooks wrote:Is that a joke? Connor Faupel got regular playing time last season if not more. You obviously only watch JV.. And as for sellnow he clearly beat out Hanson. Hanson played the beginging of the season and showed he was not ready for the starting postion. Sellnow has worked for that postion and it clearly shows, he has been getting better and better every game.
No he did not, the top 5 defensemen were Olofsen, Ordahl, Knoepke, Grinde, and Samuelson. Early on he got some playing time but starting with the first game against Edina he showed he wasn't at that level yet. I think he also was hurt at some point, he was pretty much a non factor in the rest of the season, he got some garbage time playing time but that was it. The practice he received helped but as far as playing time he was the 6th defenseman.

You're right Sellnow beat out Hanson, but Hanson hurt his catching hand playing football, an injury he never fully recovered from and is still out from today. Is Sellnow better? I don't know, clearly the Century defensive scheme improved with Raeshler getting experiance, Connor moving to forward, and Samuelson returning but I can't say Sellnow is better, he looks like he makes the routine saves easily but also looks lost an awful lot as well. He's only a sophomore and time will tell just how good he is. I think it would be fool's folly to name him the heir apparant going into next season.
Actually Faupels D partner was Ordahl so that shows you how much playing time he really got since Ordahl was the top one! Before you post dumb stuff get your facts straight goldy...you seem to always be making dumb comments like that. And Mr.Faupel did have dinner with Fruitiger before the season, I am sure that helped him get to be partners with the top D.
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Post by hockeyfever44 »

Goldy and Pepper, WAKE UP! You clearly don't have any idea what you're talking about.

To say that Connor Faupel was a 6th D is like calling Eric Ordahl a 3rd or 4th line player. When was the last time you saw a freshman make 1st line varsity?

To play your first varsity game on TV against Edina, have them come down 2 on 1 and score, come back again on a 2 on 1 and get shutdown, I'd say that's pretty damn good and proves what kind of a player he really is. Take nearly any defensemen in the state and they'd probably get beat 2 on 1 against Edina.

You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. Remember, Connor Faupel didn't play 1 game at JV last year.

Connor played nearly the whole year with Ordahl and he was out for most power plays and penalty kills. In short, Faupel skated the TOP LINE, not as the 6th D. Anyone putting Samuelson, Grinde, or Knoepke as the top D last year doesn't have a clue what they're talking about. (Not that they aren't good kids.)

Never seen any of those players on the list for making it to the USA Hockey National Player Development Camp for Select 16's or 17's. Connor Faupel has top level skills that D1 coaches and scouts are noticing.

You have no clue.

In addition, Mr. Faupel never had dinner with the coach. Mr. Faupel wouldn't waste his time having dinner with the coach, it would be pointless. I've been told that particular discussion had to do with why make the jump from Bantam A to high school, which for Connor was the right choice. Now, he has to chose to stay at Century and go flat or make a jump to ??????
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Post by blue_liner »

hey mr. faupel nice to see you on the forums.
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Post by Bucky »

Guess Goldy and Pepper got under someone's skin, not sure its Mr. F. though. What's done is done. I feel that he would of been better off playing one more year of Bantams. Why? He would of had some really good coaching again and he would of been the big fish in the pond. As it was he
did struggle abit at times. He is a gifted player physically. Needs to develop
more on the mental side of the game. Not sure he he will have much help where he plays now. Best of luck to him where ever he ends up.
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Post by dpsaucer5 »

another_geno wrote:
mngopher26 wrote:
pepper brooks wrote:

People say that first impressions are huge. AnotherHockeyParent- That could of been one of the dumbest posts I have ever read.

If what AnotherHockeypartent says is true, then I agree with him. I have seen the Kautz kid play and is one of the best, if not the best, bantam goalies in the state. Nothing against the current goalie at Century,he might be just as good or better, but if Kautz is not going to get game time he should find another place to play. Too much talent not to develop. Just my 2 cents.

mr brooks is correct im sure thats exactly how practice runs.. you most go watch every one of them eh? hah after state tourney exp how could sellnow not be the fav to start im all for giving the young gun equal opp and if he earns it well congrats but are you serious about the motive and the muscle you shouldnt just threaten your son into a starting role thats bs and the sign of insecurity you dont deserve to play unless you earn it.. the same thing happend with the younger fauple after joe scored four up at state the next year his son came in as a frosh after his dad had dinner with the coach"used his muscle" and what do you know he is starting when he should still be in bantams.. it showed serious holes in his game and he still skates around with his head down trying to be hot stuff..alls that does is give a kid an hot head if he gets handed his spot.. and takes away from the kids who were stuck on jv as juniors(there top Dmen this year GRINDE AND KNOEPKE) so what does that prove if you dont deserve to be there earn it thats all im saying dont baby out and go somewhere else or have your dad get on his knees for the coach :o hah


the younger faupel was definitely one of the better defensemen on the team! the reason he didnt produce at the beginning of the season was because he was out due to an injury in his shoulder i believe. from waht i've heard he was doing some skating with the russel stover program this fall. his dad may have helped him get on the team but faupel definitely earned his playing time in my eyes. he is a very good defensemen.
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Post by nipeshow18 »

Very good? From what I saw both of the Faupels are hacks. You don't need to hype him up. Joe Faupel was hyped up after his four goals against Hill Murray at state but he never amounted to anything other than that. He was a one game wonder, and if his brother is a very good defenseman he wouldn't have been invisible against Blaine.
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Post by hockeyfever44 »

Lets see . . .

At state with Grimstad/Knoepke, Joe Faupel did exactly what they wanted, just the way they asked of him. His job was simple, get to the front of the net and be ready, don't go to the corners don't go up the ice, just get in front of the net and battle. Had anyone else been able to do they'd been there instead of Joe Faupel. The residual effect, goals and plenty of them. This year Century had two players (maybe 4) working well together (Kautz/Martini and Anderson/Anderson), I don't think Kautz/Martini were ever separated on different lines. Everyone else on the team operated as individual players. Not Joes fault it didn't lead to much for him this year, I'd blame others before all on him. He's still by far the most physical one on the team. He played the whole tourney injured, most guys would be in the locker room crying in pain, but Joe kept on playing, ghost white. I certainly wouldn't call him a hack.

Connor Faupel, out for half the season, still managed to get 7 or 8 goals/assists, then moved to forward for the state tourney. Even then he was able to stand out in several respects. Look at the HM game, he was in front of the net a good part of the time and skating up the ice the other part of the time, again as a forward. Also, don't forget that he made it to the last round of select 15's and made the national camp for select 16's and is well under way for competing well for the select 17's. Again, he isn't what I'd call a hack.

Bottom line, everyone on the team should have a job to do. Both Joe and Connor Faupel did their jobs and did them well.

You've got to be from Mayo or Lakeville, clearly not a Century fan.

What's with you guys posting garbage when you don't have a clue. Wake up.
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Post by dpsaucer5 »

you hit the nail right on the head hockeyfever. finally someone else with a brain!!!
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oh boy

Post by howdypartiner »

Hockeyfever, why don't you come on here and give praise to other teamates other than just to your sons or make excuses for your two boys. Hockey is a team game, nobody on here cares why your sons did this because they were sick, or did that because they were hurt. Go around the state and I bet almost every team has kids in the same situation, hockey is a tough demanding sport. Thats what makes it so great. Kids play through it because they love the game, and love playing it. Congrats to Joe on a good career. Is he good enough to play after high school? maybe not. But he was a good dependable hs player. As far as Conner, it is yet to be seen. There is so much more development to be had. I remember being a soph and a senior and the differences between the two were so large. I learned so much in between that time about myself and my abilities. To say if he sticks around at Century he will not develop, is completely bogus and shows you know nothing. It may not be as much as other options but he will. I think his biggest problem is himself and his father. Always telling him he's better than everyone on the team is only settin himself up for failure. Ive heard things from kids down there and it seems to me like he has a bit of arrogance about him and has some trouble with teamates, much like T.O and that will never get him anywhere
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Post by anidesx »

From what I saw of Century this year there were no superstars. I was told that a player that seems to be the subject of this thread was injured snowboarding. Go figure. Hardworking teams win through collective effort. I understand this team had more than its share of stupidity. In spite of that they did well. Prima donnas are never very well thought of. Internal change is hard.
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Post by hockeyfever44 »

Howdy, You obviously can't read, I'm not the father of 2 boys. In fact, I only have 1 daughter. So don’t get me confused with the Mr. Faupel, I have however seen my share of their games. In case you haven’t heard, Mr. Faupel has been banned from this sight for speaking his mind.

You've obviously have never met Mr. Faupel because if you had you would agree that he's far from arrogant. He’s just brutally honest and not afraid to share his opinion, regardless of being right or wrong.

If you have met him, don’t confuse his frustration and concern for the overall program and the pride and passion he has for his two boys with arrogance.
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Post by southernmnscout »

hockeyfever44 wrote:Howdy, You obviously can't read, I'm not the father of 2 boys. In fact, I only have 1 daughter. So don’t get me confused with the Mr. Faupel, I have however seen my share of their games. In case you haven’t heard, Mr. Faupel has been banned from this sight for speaking his mind.

You've obviously have never met Mr. Faupel because if you had you would agree that he's far from arrogant. He’s just brutally honest and not afraid to share his opinion, regardless of being right or wrong.

If you have met him, don’t confuse his frustration and concern for the overall program and the pride and passion he has for his two boys with arrogance.
So, Mr. Faupel has been banned from this site so now he has you as his little messenger and is telling you what to say on here?? :roll:

All you have talked about in your 5 posts or whatever it is, is how great the Faupels are. They are decent hockey players and with a little hard work, could be very good hockey players. But with people like yourself telling them how they are so much better than the team and filling them with all of this BS, they will never amount to anything other than average highschool hockey players on a middle of the road team!
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