Minnesota Hockey proposed new residency rule

[muckandgrind]

I would like to see the figure of how many kids open enroll + those that attend private schools outside thier HS boundary.

I would also guess 3% may be close - but I'm not sure it it is just a guess, or fact. I'm certain metro and outstate are different. Also areas like Minneapolis and St. Paul are going to by considerably higher.

My point is this - it may be only 3% - or 5% - or 8 % - or whatever, but it affects everyone. And some associations would have a huge impact. I think someone mentioned St. Thomas earlier. If all kids that went to St. Thomas - and they start in middle school - so Peewee age - were required to play for the association in which St. Thomas was located, then that association would be tremendously impacted.

I didn't think it was a "requirement", but that they could waiver out.

I don't believe in absolutes, zero-tolerance, or whatever you want to call it. I think there should be an allowances for exceptions to allow kids to waiver out. For instance, if a kid is approaching is last year or two of youth hockey and his family is forced to move to another town nearby for whatever reasons (ex; job)...I think that kid should be allowed to stay in his previous association and play hockey with his buddies.

There should ALWAYS be exceptions to the rule and let common sense rule.

[hockeyboys]

agreed there should be excetions.

but, it seems to me the rules should be the same across the board. Why should some kids who either attend private schools, or open enroll at a different public school - get to choose where they play - when other kids do not get the choice?

I am not a proponent of this either way - i just want it to be the same for everyone. If MN hockey redefines Community as where kids go to school - instead of where they live - fine. But those kids should not get the choice of playing at either place - it should be one or the other - based on MN hockey rules. And - the local assocaitions should then not be able to impose sanctions on those players...

or... just open up the whole thing and let kids play wherever they want...

[elliott70]

Lets say that this does indeed get changed. Can each District implement their own version? Furthermore can each individual association implement something different from the district and/or mn hockey? I can see both sides on this one, like most policies. What I am really having a hard time with is the following:
Why does this seem to be a priority for MN hockey when it could effect less than 3 percent of the kids?
Please Elliot educate me!

This is not open enrollment as the player will still be in a community based program. It is redefining residency - where your house is or where your school is.

Is it good or bad, well, that's what I am trying to find out here, so post your opinion and your rebuttals.

Thank you.


And the 'waiver' is for one year, and the player must continue in the school district.

Some of the discernment people thought this was the biggest concern coming out of the survey. (I did not support doing the survey as the driving force. My feelings are the DD know (or should know or should be able to goback to the assn and get) what the pressing issues are.)

Discernment caught a little heat for not moving fast enough and jumped to this as way to 'get something done'. I do not support the method the discernment committee is using to get things done. It is impossilbe for a committee of this size to be effective.

It was brought up by more than one DD that this should be postponed and something more significant be brought to the table.
To that end the DD in two meetings and some emails have a proposal for redistricting. Districts 11, 12 & 16 would have little or no change. 2 new districts would be added and balance would be achieved amongst the remaining and 2 new districts in terms of travel and strength.

The DD's are also now looking at redoing the region methodology and state tourney alignment.

[oholene]

Educated Guess

Based on number of schools in MN, 82% of students attend public schools with less than 1/2 of 1 percent participating in open enrollment.

Use 10 percent, my point is this. MN hockey is community based, hockey for all. Why not spend more time and effort on things that benefit all. ie controlling costs and growing the game.

Oholene:

Why does this seem to be a priority for MN hockey when it could effect less than 3 percent of the kids?

What 3% are you referring to? Please explain why you think this only effects 3% of the kids? And most importantly - where did you come up with this figure? What does it represent? And where can we cross-reference the statistacal value of this number?

Thank you,

[ctbrow1]

[To that end the DD in two meetings and some emails have a proposal for redistricting. Districts 11, 12 & 16 would have little or no change. 2 new districts would be added and balance would be achieved amongst the remaining and 2 new districts in terms of travel and strength.]



elliot, please expand on this. Being part of District 1, I'd expect this to have ramifications on us.

[Vapor]

What changes would come to Region and State Tournaments ??

[elliott70]

[To that end the DD in two meetings and some emails have a proposal for redistricting. Districts 11, 12 & 16 would have little or no change. 2 new districts would be added and balance would be achieved amongst the remaining and 2 new districts in terms of travel and strength.]



elliot, please expand on this. Being part of District 1, I'd expect this to have ramifications on us.

D16 is not effected so I did not pay close enough attention to recite changes from the top of my head.Tom Mickus was very involved so I think D1 will not be hurt (maintain the integrity of Mpls - St Paul).

[elliott70]

i will comment more later

[goldy313]

Please, what planet are you on? Since when do my or any of your taxes (except Roseau) pay for hockey. The Youth hockey programs across the state are funded from, Sign up fees, pull tabs, and fundraisers. The rinks are paid for by the $175 an hour rental fees.... FYI it doesn't cost that much to run a rink for an hour!!!

Wow, you need to contact your local Park and Rec board and get educated. Rinks lose money; so do pools, libraries, and most municipal golf courses. If rinks made money there would be many private ones around and there aren't, maybe 10 at most in Minnesota and most of those are owned by colleges, which pay for them through their general fund or by donors, they don't make money either.

If you travel you play with your home community, if you play house you can play anywhere the DD's should be left out. That way kids who really are just looking to play can play and it eases the burden on everyone, kids/parents who are looking for all star teams need to find another way. I worry about smaller programs losing the few real good kids they have as is happening in some high schools which will just serve to further hurt a struggling program. You see what happens when the high school program folds, it trickles down to the youth level. What happens when the youth program folds or it becomes to difficult to get your kid to practice 20 miles away? You're going to quit hockey.

As Muckandgrind pointed out some kids need to move because the level of play isn't offered. Make it easier for individual associations to form A teams with each other or to merge at some level - like the MSHSL does with co-ops. We did it with our U16 baseball (8 teams in 2 Counties, none more than 45 minutes apart) and it gives more kids a place to play which is always a good thing.

[fidelis]

Family A moves to Edina so their son can play hockey there.

Family B can't afford to live in Edina but open enrolls their son in a local school so he can play hockey there.

The intent/result of both families is same. Is there a rational explaination (not p*ss and vinegar) as to why one method is more appropriate then the other?

For educational purposes both scenarios are applauded - give our children the best possible environment to learn, grow and develop. When it comes to hockey, merely an activity for our children, people become split and many become hostile.