2009 advanced 15

conditioningsucks · Post by **conditioningsucks** » Fri May 08, 2009 11:19 am

Observer:

From the MN Hockey site regarding the festival:

Player Evaluation: A team of knowledgeable coaches and scouts will evaluate all participants, consult with team coaches and select the top 102 players for participation in the Minnesota Hockey Summer Advanced 15 Festival. Alternates will also be chosen and placed if there are participant turndowns.

I direct you to the line, "consult with team coaches and select the top 102 players for participation". Yes, they evaluate all of the participants. But, then they consult with team coaches. I would believe that a team coach could trump a pick by saying that they felt that a player was clearly superior to the competition.

ctbrow1 · Post by **ctbrow1** » Fri May 08, 2009 2:44 pm

tenoverpar, I personally have only seen him play once and that was the day he broke his collarbone, that I know of anyway...I probably saw him play or coached a team against his over the last few years but didn't know it. I also know that he played for Benilde varsity. So my personal knowledge of him is lacking. Reputation says that he's pretty good.

From the one time I saw him and knew who I was watching. I would say he was very good. But his partner in that game, Alec Anderson, was also very good and Alec didn't make the cut.

Though, I would like to add that I never questioned whether or not he was good enough to make the top 102. The process is what I was calling attention to. The participants are told that the group that is in New Hope on that particular weekend is the group that is being evaluated for the next step in the process. These types of things can lead to the feeling that there are politics at play etc etc.

watchdog · Post by **watchdog** » Fri May 08, 2009 3:16 pm

its hockey politics are always at play. if its kept to a minimum is the best you can ask for.

keepmeoutofit · Post by **keepmeoutofit** » Fri May 08, 2009 3:33 pm

there may be politics at play in the select process.
but after our two years of experience with selects I have to give them credit.
Its a much better system or process than what goes on in our local association

Jimbo99 · Post by **Jimbo99** » Fri May 08, 2009 3:49 pm

ctbrow1 wrote:tenoverpar, I personally have only seen him play once and that was the day he broke his collarbone, that I know of anyway...I probably saw him play or coached a team against his over the last few years but didn't know it. I also know that he played for Benilde varsity. So my personal knowledge of him is lacking. Reputation says that he's pretty good.

From the one time I saw him and knew who I was watching. I would say he was very good. But his partner in that game, Alec Anderson, was also very good and Alec didn't make the cut.

Though, I would like to add that I never questioned whether or not he was good enough to make the top 102. The process is what I was calling attention to. The participants are told that the group that is in New Hope on that particular weekend is the group that is being evaluated for the next step in the process. These types of things can lead to the feeling that there are politics at play etc etc.

I have to agree with the others. If this was "politics", it was pretty minimal. The coaches are part of the eval. process and the kids who were at New Hope WERE evaluated and considered. So was this kid and, by all accounts, deserves to be on the list.

GapControl · Post by **GapControl** » Fri May 08, 2009 5:43 pm

I count 15 kids from D8 making it. Nice job selecting that team. I thought some one said they missed on some kids? couldnt have been that bad.

hockeydad11 · Post by **hockeydad11** » Fri May 08, 2009 6:28 pm

No ep kids. What happened? Seems hard to believe

StuddlyTender · Post by **StuddlyTender** » Fri May 08, 2009 7:25 pm

hockeydad11 wrote:No ep kids. What happened? Seems hard to believe

Not that surprising. EP just didn't have the level of players they have had in previous years. Besides alomost all of Ep's Bantam A was 1st years

hockeydad11 · Post by **hockeydad11** » Fri May 08, 2009 10:22 pm

So who will be the best returning player on there team?

puckboy · Post by **puckboy** » Fri May 08, 2009 10:38 pm

hockeydad11
wrong thread- if u want to know EP stuff start a new thread. One might thing u had a 94 on the EP bantam a if you keep asking:)

hockeydad11 · Post by **hockeydad11** » Fri May 08, 2009 10:41 pm

if i had a kid on ep that was a 94 id know and wouldnt have to ask. so obviously i dont.

watchdog · Post by **watchdog** » Fri May 08, 2009 11:03 pm

keepmeoutofit wrote:there may be politics at play in the select process.
but after our two years of experience with selects I have to give them credit.
Its a much better system or process than what goes on in our local association

you nailed that one!

rudy · Post by **rudy** » Sat Jun 13, 2009 4:36 pm

good luck to the 102 94s at St. Cloud this weekend. What a great opportunity to combine hockey with a growth opportunity and hanging with friends.

puckboy · Post by **puckboy** » Sun Jun 14, 2009 4:07 pm

any reports on any stands out?

I heard zach parise talked to the players last night. Sounds like a great experience for the young men who made it to St Cloud.

cooper26 · Post by **cooper26** » Sun Jun 14, 2009 7:31 pm

puckboy wrote:any reports on any stands out?

I heard zach parise talked to the players last night. Sounds like a great experience for the young men who made it to St Cloud.

This is a very well run deal.

Report is: "Good time being had by all!"

watchdog · Post by **watchdog** » Sun Jun 14, 2009 10:06 pm

i watched the first two days. i seen all the teams play and the best forward i saw was Torrel number 17 on the white team.

puckboy · Post by **puckboy** » Mon Jun 15, 2009 8:35 am

watchdog: any impressions on goalies and D.

cooper26 · Post by **cooper26** » Mon Jun 15, 2009 9:08 am

puckboy wrote:watchdog: any impressions on goalies and D.

From what I saw, they were having a good time too.

surehockey · Post by **surehockey** » Mon Jun 15, 2009 12:11 pm

any other standouts? Also, have some kids already been picked or was a "clean slate" started when they got there? Obviously all these boys are good, but are there any unknown standouts?

greybeard58 · Post by **greybeard58** » Mon Jun 15, 2009 12:38 pm

The people running and doing the judging do not care who makes it to the next level.If the players do well they are rewarded. If a player feels he is good and does not do well and still expects to make it,he will be disappointed.

watchdog · Post by **watchdog** » Tue Jun 16, 2009 1:36 am

michealson looked good and what i really liked about him as a player is he passed the puck. the kid has great vision. for goalie number 1 on the white team played outstanding i think he was from mpls park. for d i really liked pilot number 2 on the white team played great and halverson from wayzata. i dont know why but defense is a hard position for me to judge when it comes down to all these good players. some other forwards i thought played good were lovik,besse,vesel,roo, and lavalle he looked pretty strong. Lawdermilt and janze work hard and made good things happen. almost all the players were solid i seen a few that were out of place. befor anyone gets upset this is who i happend to notice their was other kids im sure that were having a great weekend i cant claim to be everywhere or see everything. i also cant judge players perfectly and it wasnt my job to do so. just thought i would let some of you know who may not have had the chance to watch on some of my opinions.

puckboy · Post by **puckboy** » Tue Jun 16, 2009 9:27 am

agree on the apple valley player- great vision.

is Jake Montgomery there? didn't see him on a roster which surprised me.

mngopherfan · Post by **mngopherfan** » Tue Jun 16, 2009 10:03 am

I heard a rumor that Grant Besse is on his way to benilde next season. Anyone have insight into this?

auld_skool · Post by **auld_skool** » Tue Jun 16, 2009 1:25 pm

puckboy wrote:agree on the apple valley player- great vision.

is Jake Montgomery there? didn't see him on a roster which surprised me.

He was originally on the Gray team I believe, but whether due to time conflict or injury or whatever he isn't in St Cloud.

AvsFan · Post by **AvsFan** » Tue Jun 16, 2009 1:44 pm

Jake Montgomery is injured and well not attend this week.

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