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hockeyheaven · Post by **hockeyheaven** » Mon May 18, 2009 12:51 pm

If you think that's bad, read the Pioneer Press's article on the subject.

joehockey · Post by **joehockey** » Mon May 18, 2009 12:53 pm

hockeyheaven wrote:If you think that's bad, read the Pioneer Press's article on the subject.

or the Star Tribune

royals dad · Post by **royals dad** » Mon May 18, 2009 1:42 pm

Bensonmum wrote:It goes both ways. Seen the latest news out of CDH?

Benson Mum, I searched and did not find any latest news out of CDH, where did you see this news? If your just playing an association game to bring a rival schools name into this type of story then you should be kicked off the forum. An adult in a position of authority praying on 16 year olds is to serious a subject to play that kind of game, especially when most of the people on the forum have daughters in sports.

joehockey · Post by **joehockey** » Mon May 18, 2009 2:21 pm

royals dad wrote:
Bensonmum wrote:It goes both ways. Seen the latest news out of CDH?
Benson Mum, I searched and did not find any latest news out of CDH, where did you see this news? If your just playing an association game to bring a rival schools name into this type of story then you should be kicked off the forum. An adult in a position of authority praying on 16 year olds is to serious a subject to play that kind of game, especially when most of the people on the forum have daughters in sports.

Here is the CDH Article from Pioneer Press was also reported in other media also.....
http://www.twincities.com/alllistings/c ... source=rss
Female Cretin-Derham Hall staffer investigated for possible sex with male student
Pioneer Press

Updated: 05/12/2009 09:51:34 AM CDT

RelatedCretin-Derham Hall investigation
St. Paul police investigating Cretin-Derham Hall staffer in student-related sexual misconductSt. Paul police confirmed Monday that they are conducting a criminal sexual conduct investigation into whether a female staff member at Cretin-Derham Hall had a relationship with a male student.

The student is younger than 18, but police spokesman Sgt. Paul Schnell wouldn't comment on his age. If there were a sexual relationship, it could constitute criminal sexual conduct because the staff member was in a position of authority over the student.

The staff member, whose name was not released, hasn't been arrested, Schnell said.

Police were called to the Roman Catholic high school at 550 S. Albert St. in recent weeks to take the report. Asked whether the alleged sexual activity took place at the school, Schnell said he couldn't speak about that because of the ongoing investigation.

A Cretin-Derham Hall spokeswoman didn't return a Pioneer Press call for comment late Monday night.

— Mara H. Gottfried

spin-o-rama · Post by **spin-o-rama** » Mon May 18, 2009 3:24 pm

usah and mh should implement a youth protection program similar to the Boy Scouts. Here is theirs: http://www.scouting.org/HealthandSafety/GSS/gss01.aspx
2 deep leadership and no 1 on 1 contact protects both the kids and the leaders.

Giving alcohol to a minors and then having intercourse? They should be charging those guys with rape.

This is a reminder to us parents to review family safety standards with our kids.

royals dad · Post by **royals dad** » Mon May 18, 2009 10:21 pm

Thanks Joe, sad it happened but I am glad to hear that it has nothing directly to do with Girls Hockey.

Bensonmum · Post by **Bensonmum** » Tue May 19, 2009 10:36 am

Hey royals dad, apology accepted. Oh wait, nevermind.

royals dad · Post by **royals dad** » Tue May 19, 2009 1:54 pm

Hey Mum, Go read your original post! No idea what that story (a female teacher and a male student) had to do with this board or why your original post needed to be so cryptic. The way it read it seemed to indicate there was something going on at CDH in the girls hockey program, from another question posted I know I was not alone in thinking this. I know some great people at CDH hockey and felt sick to think they may adults involved or players who had been taken advantage of in this way. I still think you need to take care around this sensitive subject and not drag people or programs in that have nothing to do with this problem.

Bensonmum · Post by **Bensonmum** » Tue May 19, 2009 2:40 pm

In other words, to hell with the kid if the adult isn't a coach, and to hell with the kid if it's a 'male student' and female adult.

The original post asked the question, "Are we at a point where male coaches cannot be alone with female athletes without supervision both on and off the ice?" My point is that the question isn't that simple, considering what went on at Cretin. Male coach, female teacher, it still happened.

And if you don't understand that the two topics are exactly the same and very eerily hit the papers in the same week, then I don't know what to tell you. I guess I'll try speaking a little slower.

oldguy39 · Post by **oldguy39** » Wed May 20, 2009 8:41 pm

ROYALSDAD, Thats great that the CDH issue didnt involve the girls hockey program.Thats what matters most right? WOW

ROYALmoose25 · Post by **ROYALmoose25** » Wed May 20, 2009 10:09 pm

oldguy39 wrote:ROYALSDAD, Thats great that the CDH issue didnt involve the girls hockey program.Thats what matters most right? WOW

Ok I see where royals dad is coing from. It is a sad situation from both schools but this is the MN HIGH SCHOOL GIRLS HOCKEY forum. Not female teachers and male sudents forum.....

hockeywild7 · Post by **hockeywild7** » Thu May 21, 2009 7:20 am

It is really scary to me at how deeply involved we as parents get in our kids sports. How we continually analyze, and re-analyze everything that goes on to the point of not seeing the big picture. My first reaction to what ROYALSDAD said was the same as OLDGUY39's was. "Your sad that it happened but glad it had nothing to do with girls hockey" I don't think we have come to the point that we truly think this way. My guess is that you really did not mean that or have it appear to come out that way ROYALSDAD.

royals dad · Post by **royals dad** » Thu May 21, 2009 9:35 am

I did not in any way try to marginalize the crime or the victim of the crime at CDH. This is a Girls High School Hockey forum and the post mentioned CDH with no other info. My reaction was Oh-no not another scandle in this sport, it is relevant to me because I have a daughter who plays HS Hockey and because I have met some of the people in the CDH girls hockey program. When I saw that post and then did searches on CDH girls hockey and got nothing back I was afraid that someone maybe pulling in an unrelated school into this. That type of post seems to happen often on the Boys HS forum.

As an analogy, if I hear a silver mini van was in a crash and I know my wife drives a silver minivan, I am relived when I find out it was not my wife. That does not mean I am happy someone else was in a crash. The relevance to the situation is in a personal perspective.

If people have not noticed it seems we have a real problem in this particular sport, I don't know if its the length of season, the amount of time spent with coaches, the small amount of time that parents are present... Last year we had a similar situation at Cooper and that was not first. Back to the original post I don't know if saying men cant coach is the answer but I do think for the sake of the athletes we should be looking at what parents, ADs, Coaches, Players, and the league can do to make sure this does not become a trend.

hockeya1a · Post by **hockeya1a** » Thu May 21, 2009 10:49 am

royals dad wrote:I did not in any way try to marginalize the crime or the victim of the crime at CDH. This is a Girls High School Hockey forum and the post mentioned CDH with no other info. My reaction was Oh-no not another scandle in this sport, it is relevant to me because I have a daughter who plays HS Hockey and because I have met some of the people in the CDH girls hockey program. When I saw that post and then did searches on CDH girls hockey and got nothing back I was afraid that someone maybe pulling in an unrelated school into this. That type of post seems to happen often on the Boys HS forum.

As an analogy, if I hear a silver mini van was in a crash and I know my wife drives a silver minivan, I am relived when I find out it was not my wife. That does not mean I am happy someone else was in a crash. The relevance to the situation is in a personal perspective.

If people have not noticed it seems we have a real problem in this particular sport, I don't know if its the length of season, the amount of time spent with coaches, the small amount of time that parents are present... Last year we had a similar situation at Cooper and that was not first. Back to the original post I don't know if saying men cant coach is the answer but I do think for the sake of the athletes we should be looking at what parents, ADs, Coaches, Players, and the league can do to make sure this does not become a trend.

Agree completely! I think that at the begining of the year when the AD sits down with the players they need to make it clear to the players that this Cannot and wll not happen.
And then the AD needs to sit down with the coaches and re-remind them that this Cannot and will not Happen and just maybe some of these idiots will get the hint. Seems like common scense but some people just dont get it and it needs to be implanted in there brains over and over again.

Thunderbird77 · Post by **Thunderbird77** » Thu May 21, 2009 1:25 pm

Very interesting posts that evoke a high degree of emotion. While none of us want our 16 year old daughters taken advantage of in this way, we really have only one resort. Talk to our daughters. IMO, no 16-year old is ready for the responsibilities of a sexual relationship-encounter. It is a travesty to be with a 26-year old coach. It doesn't seem to me to be a much better choice with another 16-year old. By the time our daughters get to be 16, they have enough freedom that this choice is theirs. We should make sure they understand this choice and its ramifications, emotionally and physically.

My husband took a different approach. He gave our daughter a ring in exchange for her promise to wait. We call it the "chastity" ring. She is to replace this ring with her wedding ring when the time comes. Will this make a difference? Who knows. We've made our position clear and given our daughter something to think about--before she finds herself in a compromising position.

Bensonmum · Post by **Bensonmum** » Thu May 21, 2009 8:59 pm

I apologize to royalsdad for getting snippy--I think I understand where he's coming from. My initial reaction was that this story had very little to do with hockey and that stuff like this goes on in and outside of sports. It might be teacher-student, boss-employee, coach-player, family friends, etc. How they get acquainted with their 'victims' has little to do with it. There are always going to be scumbags out there, and like many of you are saying, we have to make sure we prepare our own kids to deal with it God forbid they run across one of them.

SECoach · Post by **SECoach** » Thu May 21, 2009 9:20 pm

Bensonmum wrote:I apologize to royalsdad for getting snippy--I think I understand where he's coming from. My initial reaction was that this story had very little to do with hockey and that stuff like this goes on in and outside of sports. It might be teacher-student, boss-employee, coach-player, family friends, etc. How they get acquainted with their 'victims' has little to do with it. There are always going to be scumbags out there, and like many of you are saying, we have to make sure we prepare our own kids to deal with it God forbid they run across one of them.

Bensonmum.....I appreciate your perspective on this. Clearly this has less to do with hockey than it does with people who are unable to make good decisions where ever they might be. None the less, this makes it harder for every good intentioned coach to do their job. Also, I think the title of this thread has less to do with Park, as it's titled, than with the individual that happened to coach there a few years ago.