I'm hearing that District 6 is either considering or has considered and passed new game limit restriction at the Pee Wee level starting this year (09-10 season). The game limit is the same as MN Hockeys game limit at the squirt level, 35 games max includes all scrimmages, league games, tournaments...
Anyone else hear of this? Thoughts?
PeeWee Game limits
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trippedovertheblueline
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Re: PeeWee Game limits
is that what edina wanted?buttend wrote:I'm hearing that District 6 is either considering or has considered and passed new game limit restriction at the Pee Wee level starting this year (09-10 season). The game limit is the same as MN Hockeys game limit at the squirt level, 35 games max includes all scrimmages, league games, tournaments...
Anyone else hear of this? Thoughts?
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ilike2score
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my thoughts on game limits:
Mites 20 games
Squirts 30 games
Pee wees 40 games
Bantams 50 games
More important than the game limit is how much time are they practicing? Every day? every third day? Twice a day?
I personally would prefer a three to one ratio of practice to games. I realize this is unpopular as most kids and parents prefer to participate and watch games, rather than practice, learn, and perfect basic skills.
Mites 20 games
Squirts 30 games
Pee wees 40 games
Bantams 50 games
More important than the game limit is how much time are they practicing? Every day? every third day? Twice a day?
I personally would prefer a three to one ratio of practice to games. I realize this is unpopular as most kids and parents prefer to participate and watch games, rather than practice, learn, and perfect basic skills.
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InigoMontoya
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I don't think I understand the math behind peewees playing under a squirt limit (including tournaments):
19 district games
4 district tournament games
4 regional tournament games
3 state tournament games
30 games on the schedule at the start, if you think the team has a chance of doing well (which I assume most district 6 teams do). That leaves 1 tourney and 2 scrimmages.
19 district games
4 district tournament games
4 regional tournament games
3 state tournament games
30 games on the schedule at the start, if you think the team has a chance of doing well (which I assume most district 6 teams do). That leaves 1 tourney and 2 scrimmages.
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Ron Hextall
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Game limits are set for regular season play only, so a peewee team would get 40 games before districts, regions and state.
District 6 are has rules in place, but I am unsure how they enforce them. The 3:1 ratio is supposedly enforced, how I don't know, that's a lot of ground to cover to follow up on.
Also district 6 has a cap on in season tournament play as well as distance traveled for tournaments. They are only allowed four tournaments and one to exceed 60 miles from home rink/town. Yet E.P. and Edina (peewee A's) play in five every year (E.P. Tourney over Thanksgiving, Edina Tourney over Christmas, White Bear Lake in Feb, and they go out of town twice. Roseau this past season and to Duluth East's opening season tournament in November.)
They may talk about game limits, but it is typically just that.
District 6 are has rules in place, but I am unsure how they enforce them. The 3:1 ratio is supposedly enforced, how I don't know, that's a lot of ground to cover to follow up on.
Also district 6 has a cap on in season tournament play as well as distance traveled for tournaments. They are only allowed four tournaments and one to exceed 60 miles from home rink/town. Yet E.P. and Edina (peewee A's) play in five every year (E.P. Tourney over Thanksgiving, Edina Tourney over Christmas, White Bear Lake in Feb, and they go out of town twice. Roseau this past season and to Duluth East's opening season tournament in November.)
They may talk about game limits, but it is typically just that.
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boardmember
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Re: PeeWee Game limits
I dont know about District 6 but I'm hearing from some Associations that there is a real fear in a drop in registrations this Fall due to the economy. Associations are looking to ways to reduce costs, off set costs to retain as many players as they can.buttend wrote:I'm hearing that District 6 is either considering or has considered and passed new game limit restriction at the Pee Wee level starting this year (09-10 season). The game limit is the same as MN Hockeys game limit at the squirt level, 35 games max includes all scrimmages, league games, tournaments...
Anyone else hear of this? Thoughts?
Reducing games, tournaments, practices are the ways to reduce overall team cost.
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Tenoverpar
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games
NOt happy with the games limit, here's a recommendation.
Send out an email through your Assocation and see if you can get 40 parents in your proposed age group to commit to 1 night a week of collectively purchasing 1 hour of ice, shared cost.
See if you have parent volunteers from the group that will supervise.
Drop a puck and let the kids play pickup hockey for an hour a week 20 weeks, you just got to 50 plus games.
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add in group outings to the same park rink 1 day a week for an hour for the 12 or so weeks of ice and you suddenly have 60 plus games with almost half coming in a non-restrictive format allowing for fun and creativity.
I know, never going to work is it
Send out an email through your Assocation and see if you can get 40 parents in your proposed age group to commit to 1 night a week of collectively purchasing 1 hour of ice, shared cost.
See if you have parent volunteers from the group that will supervise.
Drop a puck and let the kids play pickup hockey for an hour a week 20 weeks, you just got to 50 plus games.
AND
add in group outings to the same park rink 1 day a week for an hour for the 12 or so weeks of ice and you suddenly have 60 plus games with almost half coming in a non-restrictive format allowing for fun and creativity.
I know, never going to work is it
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conditioningsucks
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Why have game limits at all?
Perhaps one association feels their kids develop cognitively through playing more games. Yes their fine skills may be down, but their game skills may be way up.
If another association feels their kids should practice more, have at it.
I still think a high level mite group or squirts would be better served playing 3 on 3 or 4 on 4 at a rink every time they show up. Stay away from drills and just let the kids skate and touch the puck. Someone should do a study - one group that only did 3 on 3 and one group that followed the "prescribed" recommendations from outside parties.
I don't care one way or another, but am always bothered by someone dictating how many games a team can play. Let people close to the situation make the decisions and stop rolling your eyes when a team plays - in your opinion - too many games.
Perhaps one association feels their kids develop cognitively through playing more games. Yes their fine skills may be down, but their game skills may be way up.
If another association feels their kids should practice more, have at it.
I still think a high level mite group or squirts would be better served playing 3 on 3 or 4 on 4 at a rink every time they show up. Stay away from drills and just let the kids skate and touch the puck. Someone should do a study - one group that only did 3 on 3 and one group that followed the "prescribed" recommendations from outside parties.
I don't care one way or another, but am always bothered by someone dictating how many games a team can play. Let people close to the situation make the decisions and stop rolling your eyes when a team plays - in your opinion - too many games.
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I don't care one way or another, but am always bothered by someone dictating how many games a team can play. Let people close to the situation make the decisions and stop rolling your eyes when a team plays - in your opinion - too many games.[/quote]
Unfortunately it is all about parity and trying to hold others back to make others "feel" successful even though they really are not.
Governing body should be about the rules (of the actual game as it is played) and safety for the players (ie; mouth guards, time between games, etc), but not about dictating the a development program or limiting communities and formula.
We need to encourage creativity, recruiting and drive to further develop top level players & teams while ensuring we have many options for other players who want to have a less intense environment, less cost, less time, etc.
Unfortunately over regulation and control drives top individuals away (AAA) vs fostering and encouraging their intensity and desire we try to harness it.
I don't care one way or another, but am always bothered by someone dictating how many games a team can play. Let people close to the situation make the decisions and stop rolling your eyes when a team plays - in your opinion - too many games.[/quote]
Unfortunately it is all about parity and trying to hold others back to make others "feel" successful even though they really are not.
Governing body should be about the rules (of the actual game as it is played) and safety for the players (ie; mouth guards, time between games, etc), but not about dictating the a development program or limiting communities and formula.
We need to encourage creativity, recruiting and drive to further develop top level players & teams while ensuring we have many options for other players who want to have a less intense environment, less cost, less time, etc.
Unfortunately over regulation and control drives top individuals away (AAA) vs fostering and encouraging their intensity and desire we try to harness it.
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InigoMontoya
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During these tough economic times, our community has decided help families keep their taxes low by reducing the city budget for materials and labor surrounding the creation and maintenance, monitoring, lighting, and insurance of outdoor ice. Therefore, to allow parents to keep more of their own money and spend it on hockey as it was intended, indoors and with rigid structure, I propose that MNH ban the creation of public skating facilities in parks across the state. To further emphasis this initiative, I call for all ponds, lakes and rivers to be drained to keep kids on the couch with a bag of cheetos watching Hanah Montana, so they'll continue playing hockey after their 13th birthday.
InigoMontoya wrote:During these tough economic times, our community has decided help families keep their taxes low by reducing the city budget for materials and labor surrounding the creation and maintenance, monitoring, lighting, and insurance of outdoor ice. Therefore, to allow parents to keep more of their own money and spend it on hockey as it was intended, indoors and with rigid structure, I propose that MNH ban the creation of public skating facilities in parks across the state. To further emphasis this initiative, I call for all ponds, lakes and rivers to be drained to keep kids on the couch with a bag of cheetos watching Hanah Montana, so they'll continue playing hockey after their 13th birthday.
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Re: PeeWee Game limits
I asked around. I was told this was discussed at the last District 6 Monthly Meeting. I can't validate this. District 6 has not posted monthly meeting minutes to their web site since August 2008
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iwearmysunglassesatnight
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Re: PeeWee Game limits
[quote="buttend"]I asked around. I was told this was discussed at the last District 6 Monthly Meeting. I can't validate this. District 6 has not posted monthly meeting minutes to their web site since August 2008[/quote]
that would be Hewitt d6 director, he scolded associations for not having their own meeting minutes updated and on the association website. Yet D6 has nothing. Hewitt is a toy for two and a half associations of D6. The guy needs to be replaced.
that would be Hewitt d6 director, he scolded associations for not having their own meeting minutes updated and on the association website. Yet D6 has nothing. Hewitt is a toy for two and a half associations of D6. The guy needs to be replaced.
Was a duster and paying for it?????