Forward
Jordyn Burns BSM
Taylor Kuehl Mound Westonka
Meghan Lorence Irondale
Layla Marvin Warroad
Allison Michelette Rosemount
Kayla Mork Breck
Abby Ness Roseau
Kailey Sylvester Warroad
Jenessa Philipczyk Stillwater
Defense
Melissa Borer BSM
Audrey Hanmer Forest Lake
Morgan Illikainen Grand Rapids
Rachael Ramsey Minnetonka
Emma Stauber Procter/Hermantown
Caitlin Hewes Stillwater
Goalie
Samantha Geissler Elk River
Kailey Gansen Shakopee
Class of 2011 Top Players
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Class of 2011 Top Players
Last edited by quickfeet on Wed Jun 17, 2009 1:41 pm, edited 1 time in total.
I'd add Kristi King of Stillwater and Dana Gallop of GRG up front.
I'm not 100% sure, but I think Morgan Illikainen may be a junior in 2009-2010 (where's Bob Lee when you need him?).
Could be a certain netminder for Stillwater that may deserve inclusion.
Good list...with room for expansion
Audrey Hanmer
I'm not 100% sure, but I think Morgan Illikainen may be a junior in 2009-2010 (where's Bob Lee when you need him?).
Could be a certain netminder for Stillwater that may deserve inclusion.
Good list...with room for expansion
Audrey Hanmer
Brookyone, I think you are in the wrong year. I think the post is talking about Juniors next year.brookyone wrote:I'd add Kristi King of Stillwater and Dana Gallop of GRG up front.
I'm not 100% sure, but I think Morgan Illikainen may be a junior in 2009-2010 (where's Bob Lee when you need him?).
Could be a certain netminder for Stillwater that may deserve inclusion.
Good list...with room for expansion
Audrey Hanmer
Re: Class of 2011 Top Players
Borer is 2010. I think there are lots of talented goalies, Laden, Sletta, Press, and Friend are a few that come to mind. Some others to consider: forwards...Casey Hirsch from Maple Grove, Emily Snodgrass from Eastview, Katy Kvasnicka from Mankato, , Delaney Middlebrook from SPA, Abbie Lund from Blake, Alyssa Veil from Blake, Hilary Crowe from Blake, Marissa Brandt from HM, Allie LaCombe from Eden Prairie and Krystal Baumann from Farmington; Defense - Jessie Ryan from Cloquet. Edina will have a strong team this upcoming year based on a few talented seniors and a solid Junior 2011 Class of Reber, Vogl, Thotland, Lundeen and Brauer. I'm sure that I am missing some because 2011 is a talented Class!!!quickfeet wrote:Forward
Jordyn Burns BSM
Taylor Kuehl Mound Westonka
Meghan Lorence Irondale
Layla Marvin Warroad
Allison Michelette Rosemount
Kayla Mork Breck
Abby Ness Roseau
Kailey Sylvester Warroad
Jenessa Philipczyk Stillwater
Defense
Melissa Borer BSM
Audrey Hanmer Forest Lake
Morgan Illikainen Grand Rapids
Rachael Ramsey Minnetonka
Emma Stauber Procter/Hermantown
Caitlin Hewes Stillwater
Goalie
Samantha Geissler Elk River
Kailey Gansen Shakopee
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I see this so often, a list is compiled of the chosen ones when their freshman or sophomores. As soon as their anointed, the girls go through a growth spurt and suddenly aren’t as quick, or they become complacent and development flat lines. When I talk to college and junior coaches from around the country, mostly what they are looking for are kids that are continually developing, that have a work ethic and are constantly challenging themselves.
The girls that are listed here are all fine high school hockey players, some will play division 1, but very few will see anywhere near the potential they showed as 9th and 10th graders because this is the point when people are telling them how great they are. Most of these kids are no longer challenging themselves like they did when they were trying to prove something. I refuse to put names out there, but there are 25 girls somewhere, toiling away in their driveway, unrecognized, that will do better in hockey than the girls listed here.
What’s best for girls hockey? Who knows. It’s black science as far as most people are concerned (even though noone would admit it). I feel coaches should put more effort into challenging the next group coming up to play as team players instead of just heaping praise on them. I feel the way Juniorfest was run this year did a disservice to girls hockey and made more girls feel disenfranchised, I feel that we need more women coaches in the high school ranks. But most of all we need more opportunities for the second tier of players to play and develop, because there are plenty of them that are capable of becoming elite players if given the opportunity.
The girls that are listed here are all fine high school hockey players, some will play division 1, but very few will see anywhere near the potential they showed as 9th and 10th graders because this is the point when people are telling them how great they are. Most of these kids are no longer challenging themselves like they did when they were trying to prove something. I refuse to put names out there, but there are 25 girls somewhere, toiling away in their driveway, unrecognized, that will do better in hockey than the girls listed here.
What’s best for girls hockey? Who knows. It’s black science as far as most people are concerned (even though noone would admit it). I feel coaches should put more effort into challenging the next group coming up to play as team players instead of just heaping praise on them. I feel the way Juniorfest was run this year did a disservice to girls hockey and made more girls feel disenfranchised, I feel that we need more women coaches in the high school ranks. But most of all we need more opportunities for the second tier of players to play and develop, because there are plenty of them that are capable of becoming elite players if given the opportunity.
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royals dad
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dochockey wrote:I see this so often, a list is compiled of the chosen ones when their freshman or sophomores. As soon as their anointed
Doc,
I don't know all the girls on this list but have run into a couple of them, I see them working their tails off almost the whole year. I am really sick of this "chosen one" and "anointed" stuff being thrown around. Maybe some of these kids are resting on their laurels but not the owns I know of. I see these goalies who continually improve on the technical aspects of their game, get more and more athletic, and who work through all the little bumps and bruises. Then some moron sits in the bleachers and whispers about how she gets the breaks because her dad knows the coach or whatever else they come up with. I can tell you as a goalie parent I have seen some of these girls and how hard they work, there is nothing anointed about it. This isn't the hockey from when I grew up, you don't show up in October and dust off your skates, they sweat their tails off through spring and summer.
With the amount of hockey options available the opportunity to develop into an elite player is there for anyone who has the talent, desire, and deep pockets to go for it. I don't know if these lists are good for hockey or not but if you don't like them don't click on them. Jumping in to rip the girls is pretty poor for and mostly sour grapes. As for whether or not Minnesota HS hockey prepares the girls for D1, seems like there are girls making an impact all over. The womens WCHA seems to more than hold its own against the east with many Minnesota kids.
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hockeywild7
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I don't think it is fair to talk in such generalities about kids or coaches. To say very few will do anything because they are being filled with praise is not fair. I don't know most of the girls listed but the ones I do know have developed into upper level players because of many factors some of which might be natural ability, work ethic, or determination. I don't like listing kids on here either but give credit where credit is due. Maybe they will develop into top level college players and maybe they won't. All kids no matter what the level of skill will go through physical changes and it isn't dependent on skill. I have yet to see a kid who went from a highly skilled player to average because they matured physically it is usually the opposite.
I think people are being a little harsh on Doc. Maybe he went a tad too far but I think he has a point. If he is saying its hard for some girls to crash through the glass ceiling and be considered elite then I agree. I listed some names and in some respects I wish I hadn't because the constant listing of names is one of the ways some people keep up the buzz on some of the elite players to help maintain their elite status.
There are lots of girls that don't make these lists that are working hard in the shadows, trying to get better year after year. I for one like to root for such hardworking underdogs.
There are lots of girls that don't make these lists that are working hard in the shadows, trying to get better year after year. I for one like to root for such hardworking underdogs.
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As the discussion goes on the Girls' Youth Forum, the number of spring/fall AAA teams at the youth levels has exploded the last couple years. Some are upset by that because AAA isn't as 'elite' as it once was when there were only 2 youth AAA teams in the Twin Cities. Now every kid who wants to can play on a team basically year-round. I see it as the natural expansion of the Herb Brooks pyramid that exploded the numbers in Girls' Association hockey about 5-6 years ago and I think it's fantastic for Minnesota girls.
4 or 5 years ago there were no HS Seniors who had played on AAA teams since U12. Today there are 25. These are the ones you can keep track of and say that they are 'elite'. They also 'represented' all the Minnesota Select-type teams. 4 years from now there will be 250 HS Seniors who will have played AAA since U10 and who will have been skating year-round since they were 8 years old. They are showing up as 8th and 9th graders this year. As a 'pool' of players, they'll blow the doors off the existing upperclassmen. (If you watched U12A hockey this year, you'd see that many teams had 3-5 excellent players. Everybody had at least 1 or 2 studs). There are too many of them to keep track of on any kind of 'elite' list, and the 5 or 6 'elite' or 'select' year-end tourneys each can have different rosters and still look very 'elite'. So maybe this is what the Doc is hinting at. And it really leaks off the oldtime Icecats/Blades boosters since they're used to having the 'elite' label as well as the extra season of tournament play/development to themselves.
My prediction: This coming year, and next, there will be more than 9 or 10 HS programs who will have to cut upperclassmen with varsity experience. It sucks, but it's going to happen. My cartoon bubble shows Juniors and Seniors standing in line at STP drills and thinking, "I don't remember seeing any of these little kids at the Icecats year-end banquet..."
4 or 5 years ago there were no HS Seniors who had played on AAA teams since U12. Today there are 25. These are the ones you can keep track of and say that they are 'elite'. They also 'represented' all the Minnesota Select-type teams. 4 years from now there will be 250 HS Seniors who will have played AAA since U10 and who will have been skating year-round since they were 8 years old. They are showing up as 8th and 9th graders this year. As a 'pool' of players, they'll blow the doors off the existing upperclassmen. (If you watched U12A hockey this year, you'd see that many teams had 3-5 excellent players. Everybody had at least 1 or 2 studs). There are too many of them to keep track of on any kind of 'elite' list, and the 5 or 6 'elite' or 'select' year-end tourneys each can have different rosters and still look very 'elite'. So maybe this is what the Doc is hinting at. And it really leaks off the oldtime Icecats/Blades boosters since they're used to having the 'elite' label as well as the extra season of tournament play/development to themselves.
My prediction: This coming year, and next, there will be more than 9 or 10 HS programs who will have to cut upperclassmen with varsity experience. It sucks, but it's going to happen. My cartoon bubble shows Juniors and Seniors standing in line at STP drills and thinking, "I don't remember seeing any of these little kids at the Icecats year-end banquet..."
Interesting observations - the base is wider and kids get better every year - all good right. Like every pyramid there is a base and a tip. Last year there was huge complaints that an East Side 9th grader was picked for the HS Elite League - she led all scorers. She is one of those kids who skates on a few teams and plays soccer and hockey year round because she loves it - she isn't on this list but forum followers and hockey fans know who I am talking about.Bensonmum wrote:As the discussion goes on the Girls' Youth Forum, the number of spring/fall AAA teams at the youth levels has exploded the last couple years. Some are upset by that because AAA isn't as 'elite' as it once was when there were only 2 youth AAA teams in the Twin Cities. Now every kid who wants to can play on a team basically year-round. I see it as the natural expansion of the Herb Brooks pyramid that exploded the numbers in Girls' Association hockey about 5-6 years ago and I think it's fantastic for Minnesota girls.
4 or 5 years ago there were no HS Seniors who had played on AAA teams since U12. Today there are 25. These are the ones you can keep track of and say that they are 'elite'. They also 'represented' all the Minnesota Select-type teams. 4 years from now there will be 250 HS Seniors who will have played AAA since U10 and who will have been skating year-round since they were 8 years old. They are showing up as 8th and 9th graders this year. As a 'pool' of players, they'll blow the doors off the existing upperclassmen. (If you watched U12A hockey this year, you'd see that many teams had 3-5 excellent players. Everybody had at least 1 or 2 studs). There are too many of them to keep track of on any kind of 'elite' list, and the 5 or 6 'elite' or 'select' year-end tourneys each can have different rosters and still look very 'elite'. So maybe this is what the Doc is hinting at. And it really leaks off the oldtime Icecats/Blades boosters since they're used to having the 'elite' label as well as the extra season of tournament play/development to themselves.
My prediction: This coming year, and next, there will be more than 9 or 10 HS programs who will have to cut upperclassmen with varsity experience. It sucks, but it's going to happen. My cartoon bubble shows Juniors and Seniors standing in line at STP drills and thinking, "I don't remember seeing any of these little kids at the Icecats year-end banquet..."
The kids who right or wrong that are going to be pushed to smaller rolls or off a varsity team by the 9th graders will be the HS players that play HS hockey, soccer or softball, work maybe do STP but not a lot more. To me that is the sad part that we will hear about my kid can't play and they are a senior.
From what I know of this list these kids are good and there are some others but not 100s and 100s of others - will they be great - time, passion for the game, training, luck to stay healthy and good grades will keep these kids playing past HS or not. There is a list up on the Ms. Goalie and Ms Hockey - those are very good players - to me there are many more kids who could be posted up but I don't know if anyone who should be top 10 next Feb got missed (obviously with only 2 goalies there will be more there).
By the way have you seen the younger Ice Cats or Blades or whatever team the top U12 are playing on this summer - sorry mine is now a U19 I just don't know them.... but like you all I watch and marvel these kids are really good - they have worked hard and I hope they love the game a ton - becuase in the end that is the only way a kid becomes elite and stays elite.
But you hit it the important thing is the base is a lot wider and the game is a lot better - is playing year around not sure. Hopefully kids are playing for love of the game at the rink, pond, driveway.....and hopefully parents can see that magic in their eye at each of those venues if the kid is average, good or heading for great - it is a journey and continium that is snapshots, results and opionions in time by the kids and parents like many on this board.
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Great post with a fine, and accurate perspective IMO...and one I happen to agree with.Bensonmum wrote:As the discussion goes on the Girls' Youth Forum, the number of spring/fall AAA teams at the youth levels has exploded the last couple years. Some are upset by that because AAA isn't as 'elite' as it once was when there were only 2 youth AAA teams in the Twin Cities. Now every kid who wants to can play on a team basically year-round. I see it as the natural expansion of the Herb Brooks pyramid that exploded the numbers in Girls' Association hockey about 5-6 years ago and I think it's fantastic for Minnesota girls.
4 or 5 years ago there were no HS Seniors who had played on AAA teams since U12. Today there are 25. These are the ones you can keep track of and say that they are 'elite'. They also 'represented' all the Minnesota Select-type teams. 4 years from now there will be 250 HS Seniors who will have played AAA since U10 and who will have been skating year-round since they were 8 years old. They are showing up as 8th and 9th graders this year. As a 'pool' of players, they'll blow the doors off the existing upperclassmen. (If you watched U12A hockey this year, you'd see that many teams had 3-5 excellent players. Everybody had at least 1 or 2 studs). There are too many of them to keep track of on any kind of 'elite' list, and the 5 or 6 'elite' or 'select' year-end tourneys each can have different rosters and still look very 'elite'. So maybe this is what the Doc is hinting at. And it really leaks off the oldtime Icecats/Blades boosters since they're used to having the 'elite' label as well as the extra season of tournament play/development to themselves.
My prediction: This coming year, and next, there will be more than 9 or 10 HS programs who will have to cut upperclassmen with varsity experience. It sucks, but it's going to happen. My cartoon bubble shows Juniors and Seniors standing in line at STP drills and thinking, "I don't remember seeing any of these little kids at the Icecats year-end banquet..."
Personally, I have no problem with anyone posting a list of players. Hopefully anyone reading such a post would understand no one individuals list is going to qualify as a 100% comprehensive list. I don't believe that's the contention of anyone posting a list. I think input from other posters is expected and welcome. There is very likely too many above average players for any one person to be completely familiar with.
There seems to be an increasing attitude in the forum that no one should mention, discuss or recognize the merits of individual players. I find that attitude and the associated contempt some seem to harbor for persons posting their "lists" disturbing within a public forum dedicated to all aspects of the sport of girls hockey. It's exactly the type of discussion the forum is for and not inappropriate in any way.
Edit: Trying out for, and getting cut from a group of hopeful athletes regardless of what class you were a member of was a fact of high school sports life when I was participating, over thirty years ago.
I've seen both the Icecats and Blades U12 teams play. They're very good. One complaint on the youth forum is that the availability of youth AAA teams has watered down those programs. I suspect the truth is that everybody else is catching up.joehockey wrote:
By the way have you seen the younger Ice Cats or Blades or whatever team the top U12 are playing on this summer - sorry mine is now a U19 I just don't know them.... but like you all I watch and marvel these kids are really good - they have worked hard and I hope they love the game a ton - becuase in the end that is the only way a kid becomes elite and stays elite.
But you hit it the important thing is the base is a lot wider and the game is a lot better - is playing year around not sure. Hopefully kids are playing for love of the game at the rink, pond, driveway.....and hopefully parents can see that magic in their eye at each of those venues if the kid is average, good or heading for great - it is a journey and continium that is snapshots, results and opionions in time by the kids and parents like many on this board.
Secondly, as someone on the youth forum stated, the people who began and now run the Blades and Icecats clubs probably welcome the expansion of AAA and probably had this very thing in mind when they started their programs. They won't have to spend thousands traveling to Winnipeg and Toronto to find adequate competition. I didn't mean to take a cheap shot at them. The parents are the ones complaining about the meaning of 'elite'.
Lastly, I think we're seeing more 'specialization' than we have in the past, with more girls playing recreational soccer or softball as kids but giving them up to concentrate on year-round hockey as they enter high school. The ramifications of that can be debated at another time.