Mn Hockey summer meeting

[frederick61]

So the association and the city sign a contract which specifically states (not implies) this relationship?

If that is the case, from the previous posts, I'd assume that if the city and association boundaries were superimposed, you'd find that all of them are breaking the law.

The city and its local association boundaries are not necessary superimposed. They can be, but in most of the suburbs, a city will have more then one association within its boundary.

The law made in this matter was the outside association could not claim preference (premium ice time) and had no case to take to trial as long as the local association was willing to accept all resident kids. I do not know if there is anything written into the agreements the local association signs when they purchase the premium ice.

[hockeyboys]

i think i'm missing the point here.

how is the new rule any different than giving preferencial treatment to the local high school? the new rule is no different than the high school rules. Kids play in the association in which their school is located. Just like high school - a student plays for the high school in which they attend.

[frederick61]

i think i'm missing the point here.

how is the new rule any different than giving preferencial treatment to the local high school? the new rule is no different than the high school rules. Kids play in the association in which their school is located. Just like high school - a student plays for the high school in which they attend.

If the neighboring ISD pressed the issue to gain access to premium ice time, they may have a case since the city is giving premium time to the local high school. I suspect there has been some decision made among high schools already but I don't know.

Minnesota State High School League has some recognition I assume granted them by the Independent School Districts and have authority to make these kind of rules. That ruling governs kids changing schools to play sports and is driven, I believe, by a high school fearing loss of state funding (about $25,000 per student over four years) when he transfers.

The problem is that the state high school league high open enrollment rule is very restrictive forcing a kid to decide on his school and applying to the new school at the start of his eight grade. It creates hurdles in the application process because that process is designed to keep the kids reguardless of how good the school is and goes against the intent that Ventura had when he set up the state funding (let the kid decide on the best school for himself).

In other words, with the state paying the freight any kid should be able to go to any school and the school has to "measure up" to keep its kids. But I believe the "educators" fear that idea.

[InigoMontoya]

I've got a brain block.

Currently there are associations that include parts of many cities/towns and more than one school district; there are cities that include parts of more than one assocication and more than one school; there are schools that have kids from more than one town/city and more than one association.

I'm not sure how that reality changes if the residency rule changes from play where you live to play where you learn.

I don't think we need to 'agree to disagree', but we may need to 'understand that I don't understand'.

[jollyroger]

And school districts (St. Paul, Mpls) which encompass multiple associations and schools--it'll be interesting to see how these are handled. Will there be a shift in the elementary school enrollments among the hockey crowd large enough to notice? Will prospective hockey parents have one eye on the association boundary lines when enrolling Johnny in Kindergarten? Will this finally be the end of Johnson and Como?
In effect, there is more of an element of choice being introduced here. Nobody is crazy enough to move residences just for their kids' hockey program, but changing schools (or initially selecting one for Kindergarten) isn't that big of a deal when there are 3 or 4 that are more or less equal and a kid can ride a school bus (as opposed to open enrollment across districts where parents have to make the commitment to drive back and forth to school every day).

And by the way, it's not relevant to keep comparing HS hockey with youth hockey--the MSHSL is a quasi-governmental institution overseeing the activities of public entities which are publicly funded. MinnHockey and its affiliates are aggressively private.

[JoltDelivered]

Nobody is crazy enough to move residences just for their kids' hockey program

Jolly - you're kidding right? I personally know of several kids who were moved around the city, in their youth, in an effort to gain access to a better hockey assocaition. Heck, I know of one family that moved several states away just for youth hockey.

And by the way, it's not relevant to keep comparing HS hockey with youth hockey--the MSHSL is a quasi-governmental institution overseeing the activities of public entities which are publicly funded. MinnHockey and its affiliates are aggressively private.

I agree but there is nothing that irks a public educator more than the success of private schools, athletically or otherwise. So my question would be are there any public educators in a position of influence within MinnHockey?