Edina PeeWee A Shenanigans (?)

[HockeyGuy81]

[quote="greybeard58"]Many years ago a good friend of mine became the PWA Coach with a metro association. At the end of tryouts he presented his choices for his picks, and the ones in the know were livid. He had picked a played who had been labeled a B2 skater because they did not like how he skated around the cones, the coaches reply was have you watched him in the corners and in front of the net,he can finish. Needless to say he caught grief for the first part of the season. The player ended making the A level teams and also helped lead his HS Team to a state championship. He got his D1 ride and eventually was drafted and played in the NHL. If you want to know the name pm me. quote]

Bochenski...

[PoniesDad45]

I sorta like what EDINA is doing, taking there team out of state to play in what will be a field filled with good teams.

I'll go out on a limb and say that Edina PW A this year goes about
40-2 and outscores its opponents by at least 140 goals and goes deep into
if not wins the state title.

Of those 42 games, they will play no more than 8 or 10 that the other team is even on the ice with them, so if they choose to go out of state to play games, then good for them as long as they aren't breaking any MNHOCK rules.

I concur with others, they need 2 A teams, I know they had 2 B1's last year that went a combined like 100-4 or something crazy like that (not looking up the specifics)

Funny, I don't believe either Edina Pee Wee B1 team last year won the state tournament?? Also if I'm correct didn't Edina have two A Squirt teams last year and the lesser of the two teams pretty much lost every game??

It's amazing on the affect of a VERY LARGE EGO will do in judging hockey talent.

I was just thinking that I don't believe any team my son has been on has ever lost to an Edina team

There HS teams have been great in the past, but the youth teams? No better than anyone else, I would put Wayzata and EP way above Edina.

[muckandgrind]

I sorta like what EDINA is doing, taking there team out of state to play in what will be a field filled with good teams.

I'll go out on a limb and say that Edina PW A this year goes about
40-2 and outscores its opponents by at least 140 goals and goes deep into
if not wins the state title.

Of those 42 games, they will play no more than 8 or 10 that the other team is even on the ice with them, so if they choose to go out of state to play games, then good for them as long as they aren't breaking any MNHOCK rules.

I concur with others, they need 2 A teams, I know they had 2 B1's last year that went a combined like 100-4 or something crazy like that (not looking up the specifics)

Funny, I don't believe either Edina Pee Wee B1 team last year won the state tournament?? Also if I'm correct didn't Edina have two A Squirt teams last year and the lesser of the two teams pretty much lost every game??

It's amazing on the affect of a VERY LARGE EGO will do in judging hockey talent.

I was just thinking that I don't believe any team my son has been on has ever lost to an Edina team

There HS teams have been great in the past, but the youth teams? No better than anyone else, I would put Wayzata and EP way above Edina.

Edina's PWA teams have won three state titles since 2000....no other team has won more than one over the same period.

[BKP]

Edina's PWA teams have won three state titles since 2000....no other team has won more than one over the same period.

That's because my kid has never played Peewee A. (Please read with sarcasm).

Sorry, but I have to agree with Muck if we're talking A level teams. I would put Edina over EP and Wayzata at "A". Now about the B levels-I'd agree with Ponies. Evens out more at that level.

[goaliewithfoggedglasses]

I was just thinking that I don't believe any team my son has been on has ever lost to an Edina team

There HS teams have been great in the past, but the youth teams? No better than anyone else, I would put Wayzata and EP way above Edina.

Fargo:

2009 Edina, MN, Hornets
2008 Edina, MN, Hornets
2007 Wayzata, MN., Trojans
2006 Edina, MN, Hornets
2005 Littleton, Co., Hawks
2004 Eden Prairie, MN.
2003 Chaska, MN,
2002 Edina, MN.
2001 Phoenix, AZ., Firebirds
2000 Minnetonka, MN.
1999 Westminster, CA., Wolves
1998 Edina, MN.

[InigoMontoya]

Now about the B levels-I'd agree with Ponies. Evens out more at that level.

Edina PWB Green lost to Elk River in 09 and beat Edina PWB White in 08; that's 3 of the last 4 finalists. I certainly don't think we need to pass the hat to help them rebuild their B program.

[C-dad]

Without doing a detailed statistical analysis ,but just scanning recent champs and runners-up in PW and Bantam, I can see a definite case to made for Wayzata to be the strongest overall association of late. That would be hard to argue, even for an Edina partisan like myself. EP, apart from an impressive string of Bantam A champs a few years ago, does not seem to compare to Edina in numbers and frequency for this millennium.

[O-townClown]

Without doing a detailed statistical analysis ,but just scanning recent champs and runners-up in PW and Bantam, I can see a definite case to made for Wayzata to be the strongest overall association of late. That would be hard to argue, even for an Edina partisan like myself. EP, apart from an impressive string of Bantam A champs a few years ago, does not seem to compare to Edina in numbers and frequency for this millennium.

I guess it depends on which level you look at and over what period of time. Everyone knows that Edina's Squirt A went 40something and 1 in 2007-08, but equally as impressive was the dominance of their six B teams that year. League play in D6 and the end-of-year district tournament were owned by them. The teams lost very few games that weren't against each other.

Wayzata, Edina, Eden Prairie, White Bear Lake, and so on... The mega associations. Which (again) makes what Roseau has been able to do just astonishing.

[northwoods oldtimer]

Without doing a detailed statistical analysis ,but just scanning recent champs and runners-up in PW and Bantam, I can see a definite case to made for Wayzata to be the strongest overall association of late. That would be hard to argue, even for an Edina partisan like myself. EP, apart from an impressive string of Bantam A champs a few years ago, does not seem to compare to Edina in numbers and frequency for this millennium.

I guess it depends on which level you look at and over what period of time. Everyone knows that Edina's Squirt A went 40something and 1 in 2007-08, but equally as impressive was the dominance of their six B teams that year. League play in D6 and the end-of-year district tournament were owned by them. The teams lost very few games that weren't against each other.

Wayzata, Edina, Eden Prairie, White Bear Lake, and so on... The mega associations. Which (again) makes what Roseau has been able to do just astonishing.

O-town, Roseau knows what a lot of programs have long forgotten and that is that you can only put 5 skaters and a goalie on the ice at a time.
The numbers in your Edina program are indeed astounding.

[C-dad]

Heard today that there may be 12 teams in PW at Edina this year. 1 A, 2 B1, 4 B2, 5 C.

The top three teams should be very strong. Beyond that, who knows...

Either we're going with shorter rosters than usual, or there was a big late registration (just saw they're keeping on-line registration open till 9/20). I guess I'll find out on the 29th when grading starts.

Note that this two-year cohort is a huge bulge moving through our association. I think we had 12 squirt teams 2 years ago and the attrition must have been very light (and maybe the new participation rule added to the numbers). None of the other birth years compare with these two years. It'll be the same in Bantam in two years when they all hit there.

ETA: Oops, looks like just 11 teams, 1, 2, 3, 5. That makes more sense. Sorry.

[thehockeyczar]

I sorta like what EDINA is doing, taking there team out of state to play in what will be a field filled with good teams.

I'll go out on a limb and say that Edina PW A this year goes about
40-2 and outscores its opponents by at least 140 goals and goes deep into
if not wins the state title.

Of those 42 games, they will play no more than 8 or 10 that the other team is even on the ice with them, so if they choose to go out of state to play games, then good for them as long as they aren't breaking any MNHOCK rules.

This would be a USA Hockey rule - get a travel permit from the USA Hockey associate registrar in MN (or designee). Essentially says that the team is properly registered. I am sure the folks in Edina are well aware of what is required.

I concur with others, they need 2 A teams, I know they had 2 B1's last year that went a combined like 100-4 or something crazy like that (not looking up the specifics)

I heard the team is not playing in Colorado, so you can put to rest this gossip thread.

[areaman]

Heard today that there may be 12 teams in PW at Edina this year. 1 A, 2 B1, 4 B2, 5 C.

The top three teams should be very strong. Beyond that, who knows...

Either we're going with shorter rosters than usual, or there was a big late registration (just saw they're keeping on-line registration open till 9/20). I guess I'll find out on the 29th when grading starts.

Note that this two-year cohort is a huge bulge moving through our association. I think we had 12 squirt teams 2 years ago and the attrition must have been very light (and maybe the new participation rule added to the numbers). None of the other birth years compare with these two years. It'll be the same in Bantam in two years when they all hit there.

ETA: Oops, looks like just 11 teams, 1, 2, 3, 5. That makes more sense. Sorry.

So, the board essentially threw the kids who played peeweeC last year, under the bus.
Nice.

[muckandgrind]

Heard today that there may be 12 teams in PW at Edina this year. 1 A, 2 B1, 4 B2, 5 C.

The top three teams should be very strong. Beyond that, who knows...

Either we're going with shorter rosters than usual, or there was a big late registration (just saw they're keeping on-line registration open till 9/20). I guess I'll find out on the 29th when grading starts.

Note that this two-year cohort is a huge bulge moving through our association. I think we had 12 squirt teams 2 years ago and the attrition must have been very light (and maybe the new participation rule added to the numbers). None of the other birth years compare with these two years. It'll be the same in Bantam in two years when they all hit there.

ETA: Oops, looks like just 11 teams, 1, 2, 3, 5. That makes more sense. Sorry.

So, the board essentially threw the kids who played peeweeC last year, under the bus.
Nice.

How do you figure?

[C-dad]

Yeah, I'm confused too.

I also heard that they're planning 1A, 2 B1, 4B2, 4C. Not sure who to believe, but that mix makes more sense for development, the other more sense for winning records.

[ilike2score]

if indeed Edina has enough numbers to field 11 peewee teams that is great... the more kids playing the better. But to only field one A team is ridiculuos. There is many associations in Mn who struggle with numbers. and they have several A level players. In fact many small associations play "a"level hockey at the peewee and bantam levels. In my opinion to level the playing field is to create more "a" level teams. The large metro associations need to realize the best way to benefit their kids is to give them the best oppurtunities to play at the highest level...which is more A teams. the big ones like edina, white bear, wayzata, tonka...etc. need to follow duluth easts lead in two peewee a teams. This will benefit everyone from peewee thru highschool.

[areaman]

Yeah, I'm confused too.

I also heard that they're planning 1A, 2 B1, 4B2, 4C. Not sure who to believe, but that mix makes more sense for development, the other more sense for winning records.

The website shows five C teams.

I guess they're going for winning records.

Perhaps, the B1 and B2 teams weren't winning by large ENOUGH margins. Or maybe, there were some B1 and B2 teams that didn't win EVERY game.

And if you think about it, kids really should have all their developing done by age 11 and 12.

[Wasilla]

Yeah, I'm confused too.

I also heard that they're planning 1A, 2 B1, 4B2, 4C. Not sure who to believe, but that mix makes more sense for development, the other more sense for winning records.

The website shows five C teams.

I guess they're going for winning records.

Perhaps, the B1 and B2 teams weren't winning by large ENOUGH margins. Or maybe, there were some B1 and B2 teams that didn't win EVERY game.

And if you think about it, kids really should have all their developing done by age 11 and 12.

Edina PeeWee B1 teams could compete with many other associations A teams. They should either have two equal A teams or three equal B1 teams. It has to get boring for the kids and parents to continually beat everyone 10-0.

[Hockeydaddy]

You must not understand. Parents of kids 1-10 don't want their little hotshots playing with #'s 20-30. Can't stunt lil' Sidney's development that way. And if you don't keep 1-10 happy...

Parents tend to care only long enough to make sure THEIR kid gets taken care of. Development is only a concern for them as regards their kid. The parent of kid #9 doesn't want kid #16 to get any better, or he usurps little junior's spot on the A-Team.

There's PRESTIGE with destroying the other Pee Wees. And that's what's wrong with youth sports, people.

[PoniesDad45]

You must not understand. Parents of kids 1-10 don't want their little hotshots playing with #'s 20-30. Can't stunt lil' Sidney's development that way. And if you don't keep 1-10 happy...

Parents tend to care only long enough to make sure THEIR kid gets taken care of. Development is only a concern for them as regards their kid. The parent of kid #9 doesn't want kid #16 to get any better, or he usurps little junior's spot on the A-Team.

There's PRESTIGE with destroying the other Pee Wees. And that's what's wrong with youth sports, people.

Do you mean destroying other PeeWee teams like winning big or destroying other PeeWees as in picking players for the A team? I don't want to misunderstand you before I comment.

[GoldThorpe]

Edina should play their best players with the other best players. That way every one of the parents dressed in Green can be happy through the cold winter months!javascript:emoticon(':oops:')

[defense]

Rumors are often no more than just rumors, but there is one going around Edina that needs to be put to rest. The rumor is that;

1.) The Edina PeeWee A Team has already been picked and that,

2.) The parents of the kids picked have already been notified, and that,

3.) The team has entered an out of state Tournament in Colorado in early october, and that,

4.) The parents of the players picked have already made travel plans for Colorado

My question to anyone who may be in the know ... is this true?

If it is true, who is responsible for these decisions?

Considering player registration is open till September 12th and PeeWee tryouts are 3-4 weeks away , is this fair? Is this ethical?

I also realize that rumors are often nothing more than that and I would be happy if someone in an authorative position could dispell the rumor(s) and put this to rest publicly.

Any light shed on this would be greatly appreciated.

Thank You.

Youth hockey season must be just around the corner...huh....

[slapshot445]

just heard the latest idea was to have 1 A team, 2 B1 teams, 6 B2 teams, and 3 C teams. how many rediculous ideas can they come up with?

[C-dad]

just heard the latest idea was to have 1 A team, 2 B1 teams, 6 B2 teams, and 3 C teams. how many rediculous ideas can they come up with?

I kind of doubt that one. The numbers seem to support no more than 11 teams. I was told by someone who should know that it will be 1A, 2 B1, 4 B2, 4 C. That was a couple weeks ago though so the mix might be different. But the numbers registered would not support 12 teams unless they go with shorter rosters than in the past.

I also watched one of the pre-tryout skates that started this whole thread. Some of the A candidates were there, some were not, some kids that will definitely not be A candidates were on the ice. One of the dads whose kid was skating said it was just a chance for the coach to make some more money (he charged more than the ice time cost). Nothing wrong with that, in my view and I'm sure it was better than some of the pre-tryout clinics offered by other groups.

[pwdad]

just heard the latest idea was to have 1 A team, 2 B1 teams, 6 B2 teams, and 3 C teams. how many rediculous ideas can they come up with?

How many ridiculous ideas can you come up with? Everyone in cyberspace is now dummer for having read this.

[Pens4]

EdinaRumors you need to get your facts right. I know a couple of the 2nd year parents and they told me that the coaches put on this clinic, not the parents. They have done this the last 5 or 6 years and no one has complained about it. There are 35 players invited, so I think they cover all of the possible A players for the coming year. Also, there is no trip to Colorado. Lastly, in Edina the coaches pick their teams so the "unbiased" selection process is not compromised. I'm sure if a player stands out in tryouts, he will be noticed.

Is this activity run by the Association if the Coaches are involved? If so, why not post it on the website? Maybe they have done this in the past 5 or 6 years, obviously the parents that had players that were not invited in past years never voiced there opinion like EdinaRumors is displaying. In reality it is highly unlikely there hasn't been some hub bub going on regarding this in past years it just hasn't been exposed to all other outsiders in this capacity.

Well said. If this rogue behavior has truly been running rampant in past years like some have claimed, (without complaint, apparently) it doesn't make it right, fair or ethical.

No one complained about slavery for years. But then someone did. Then a lot of people did. Then they changed things.

Perhaps a dialogue on the issue is called for ... with input not just from the 35 families invited, but also from the 105 families EXCLUDED.

I am curious to know what the EHA's stance is on this practice ... anyone from EHA care to chime in?

I'm Extremely late into this game BUT......You didn't just liken this conversation to slavery.