Minn Hock Closes Boarders

QuackerTracker · Post by **QuackerTracker** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 8:27 am

What is Minnesota Hockey thinking now? Closing the boarders and not allowing AAA teams to come in for tournaments and scrimmages. This is a joke. This fear of AAA has just gone too far. We all know that the ages don't match up but this dictatorship has gotten ridiculous. The Minn Hock board has now completely forgot about the kids that play the game in order to push their own personal agenda. I am on the ice for 175-200 games in the winter and when our local teams play outstate AAA teams they work harder then any other time during the year and look like they are having the most fun. It might be that they have a neighbor on the team or that they just want to show that they can beat AAA teams.

I was on the fence on the AAA think but I have not decided it is time to act and stop this. Minn Hock has become an absolute joke and this move will only continue to fuel parents sending their children over the boarder to Wisconsin. This brilliant rule from Minn Hock would also include Shattuck.

One of the greatest reasons why AAA has been successful is seeing outstate teams come in for tournaments. I guess this is the only time we will see this anymore. Get used to seeing the same matchups at every tournament cause this seems to be Minn Hock’s plan. Oh goody!

Night Train · Post by **Night Train** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 8:54 am

Interesting post but can you be more specific. I couldn't find anything on the MN Hockey Web site.

http://www.minnesotahockey.org/

Are you saying winter season AAA teams can't play in winter season association tournaments in MN? I would agree that playing these teams is a challenge and usually fun for the kids.

No Colorado Thunderbirds in the Edina Tourney?
No Fire teams in the Bloomington and Burnsville Tourneys?
Several Colorado teams, AA and AAA, have been coming to Minnesota in recent years for better competition for their players. Are you saying no longer allowed?

Can you point us to a particular document, rule, etc?

ThePuckStopsHere · Post by **ThePuckStopsHere** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 9:01 am

QuackerTracker wrote:What is Minnesota Hockey thinking now? Closing the boarders and not allowing AAA teams to come in for tournaments and scrimmages. This is a joke. This fear of AAA has just gone too far. We all know that the ages don't match up but this dictatorship has gotten ridiculous. The Minn Hock board has now completely forgot about the kids that play the game in order to push their own personal agenda. I am on the ice for 175-200 games in the winter and when our local teams play outstate AAA teams they work harder then any other time during the year and look like they are having the most fun. It might be that they have a neighbor on the team or that they just want to show that they can beat AAA teams.

I was on the fence on the AAA think but I have not decided it is time to act and stop this. Minn Hock has become an absolute joke and this move will only continue to fuel parents sending their children over the boarder to Wisconsin. This brilliant rule from Minn Hock would also include Shattuck.

One of the greatest reasons why AAA has been successful is seeing outstate teams come in for tournaments. I guess this is the only time we will see this anymore. Get used to seeing the same matchups at every tournament cause this seems to be Minn Hock’s plan. Oh goody!

Not sure why you are so upset?? Lets be honest here, parents who pull their children from association hockey to go to Wisconsin for AAA do it because they feel association hockey is not good enough for there player, but yet the same parents will now piss and moan because they won't be able to play Minnesota teams. If you want to play Minnesota teams, STAY IN MINNESOTA - real simple!!

Kudos to Minnesota Hockey on this rule!

Have fun traveling to Green Bay to play some crap AAA team for the weekend

5thgraders · Post by **5thgraders** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 9:40 am

If the 96 Gamblers are crap and they Won the Duluth tournament last year
Edina, Wayzata, White Bear, to name a few teams that couldn't get it done.

That pretty much sums up where the real crap is..

The icing on the cake is that the Minnesota teams were loaded up with 95's

The Gamblers had a full roster of 96's

council member retired · Mon Oct 12, 2009 9:44 am

[quote="QuackerTracker"]What is Minnesota Hockey thinking now? Closing the boarders and not allowing AAA teams to come in for tournaments and scrimmages. This is a joke. This fear of AAA has just gone too far. We all know that the ages don't match up but this dictatorship has gotten ridiculous. The Minn Hock board has now completely forgot about the kids that play the game in order to push their own personal agenda. I am on the ice for 175-200 games in the winter and when our local teams play outstate AAA teams they work harder then any other time during the year and look like they are having the most fun. It might be that they have a neighbor on the team or that they just want to show that they can beat AAA teams.

I was on the fence on the AAA think but I have not decided it is time to act and stop this. Minn Hock has become an absolute joke and this move will only continue to fuel parents sending their children over the boarder to Wisconsin. This brilliant rule from Minn Hock would also include Shattuck.

One of the greatest reasons why AAA has been successful is seeing outstate teams come in for tournaments. I guess this is the only time we will see this anymore. Get used to seeing the same matchups at every tournament cause this seems to be Minn Hock’s plan. Oh goody![/quote]

If there is a ruling it may not be as exciting as you write. I think some information possibly is missing. Perhaps it is a district rule? Or is it limited to some teams that may not be classified by USA Hockey?

Shattuck, Colorado Thunderbirds are classified teams and may possibly not be part of the policy refered to.

I don't expect this rule would eliminate a MN squirt team from playing the
Phoenix Roadrunners, Dallas JR Stars, or Littleton up in Fargo.

5thgraders · Post by **5thgraders** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 9:53 am

Is this called the Folly of Fargo Rule..

QuackerTracker · Post by **QuackerTracker** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 9:55 am

Night Train wrote:Interesting post but can you be more specific. I couldn't find anything on the MN Hockey Web site.

http://www.minnesotahockey.org/

Are you saying winter season AAA teams can't play in winter season association tournaments in MN? I would agree that playing these teams is a challenge and usually fun for the kids.

No Colorado Thunderbirds in the Edina Tourney?
No Fire teams in the Bloomington and Burnsville Tourneys?
Several Colorado teams, AA and AAA, have been coming to Minnesota in recent years for better competition for their players. Are you saying no longer allowed?

Can you point us to a particular document, rule, etc?

That is correct that the Fire and Colorado teams would not be allowed in Bloom and Burns.

This was passed down to the D6 officiating associations and we where told that we would be subject to fines and susspensions from Minn Hock if we officiated any games with AAA teams (this will be hard to do since we are not employees of Minn Hock). We where told that the ruling came from Minn Hock. Funny they don't have any meeting minutes posted after June.

It could be D6 passing the ruling but Brad Hewitt is claim it is a MN Hock thinkg

greybeard58 · Post by **greybeard58** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 10:46 am

Quacker,
I would not be surprised if this is D 6 rule, I have not found anything about this in the minutes.
Since you referee you might want to make sure when wearing your patch that both teams are properly signed off on a USA Roster, by Mn Hockey rules all teams must be properly registered before and USA Hockey sanctioned games can be played, if there is a question either check with the D 6 Supervisor of Officials or the D6 Registrar.

ThePuckStopsHere · Post by **ThePuckStopsHere** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 10:52 am

5thgraders wrote:If the 96 Gamblers are crap and they Won the Duluth tournament last year
Edina, Wayzata, White Bear, to name a few teams that couldn't get it done.

That pretty much sums up where the real crap is..

The icing on the cake is that the Minnesota teams were loaded up with 95's

The Gamblers had a full roster of 96's

5th Grader, that's the best counter argument you have?

One teams example? Big deal! Any Minnesota player who defects to Wisconsin for the winter, quickly finds out 80% of their games are blowouts against crap AAA teams (i.e. check out the Fires record at the end of the year) and the games that are competitive are against Minnesota association teams.

Do your homework 5th Grader

elliott70 · Post by **elliott70** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 11:10 am

It is a USAH rule that a sanctioned team cannot play a non-sanctioned team.
USAH officials are responsible for checking prior to reffing a game.

It is not a MH rule.

Quacker, please check with the appropriate person before you start a thread that is incomple or inaccurate. There is a possiblility that one or some of the Fire teams may not be eligible, but to my knowledge (as of today) they are eligible and welcome into MH Invitational Tournaments.

If D6 has other inforamtion or a different policy they are using for some reason that is D6 business and is voted on by the board representing the associations - blasting Brad Hewitt is wrong (at least in this case).

InTheKnow · Post by **InTheKnow** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 12:08 pm

Elliott,

The rule is that AAA, tier 1 teams are not allowed to play in Minn. Hockey sanctioned tournaments. It is ok to scrimmage them outside of tournament play.

elliott70 · Post by **elliott70** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 12:26 pm

InTheKnow wrote:Elliott,

The rule is that AAA, tier 1 teams are not allowed to play in Minn. Hockey sanctioned tournaments. It is ok to scrimmage them outside of tournament play.

Where did you find this rule?

InTheKnow · Post by **InTheKnow** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 12:31 pm

This is what we were told by the district director. He said this was passed at MN Hockey's the last meeting, and that tier 1 AAA teams were not allowed to play in MN Hockey tournaments. Let me know if this is true.

elliott70 · Post by **elliott70** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 12:38 pm

I found it, a district 6 rule.

QuackerTracker · Post by **QuackerTracker** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 12:44 pm

elliott70 wrote:I found it, a district 6 rule.

Can you post where you found it? I would like to get all the info.

EdinaRumors · Post by **EdinaRumors** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 12:49 pm

[quote="elliott70"]I found it, a district 6 rule.[/quote]

Not suprising. Some guys in District 6 think they *ARE* MN Hockey and can make rules for the rest of us

elliott70 · Post by **elliott70** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 12:52 pm

QuackerTracker wrote:
elliott70 wrote:I found it, a district 6 rule.
Can you post where you found it? I would like to get all the info.

I found it on D6 site under rules etc...
on the first page - changes for 2009-2010.

elliott70 · Post by **elliott70** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 12:54 pm

2009-2010 Changes
1) There is a minimum 3 game suspension for fighting when called in a game between District 6 teams whether in league, scrimmage or tournament.

2) Check your goalie pads. The rules changed and the grandfather period is over this year. Page 47 of the Ice Hockey rules outlines the requirements.

3) No Inter Level Play without Director approval. Tier I AAA teams are not allowed in Invitational Tournaments.

4) Participation Rule -- This rule changes player eligibility.

http://www.d6hockey.net/page/show/11615 ... -2009-2010

elliott70 · Post by **elliott70** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 12:57 pm

Inter-classification play such B & C has never been allowed.

A team from outside of MN is difficult to evaluate whether an A B or C level.

O-townClown · Post by **O-townClown** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 1:00 pm

elliott70 wrote:2009-2010 Changes

3) No Inter Level Play without Director approval. Tier I AAA teams are not allowed in Invitational Tournaments.

I am surprised the district can do this. I thought the definition of Invitational is that you get to invite (root word) whoever you want.

Learn something new every day. Not enough to be in line with Minnesota Hockey here, the district gets some say as well. I thought they just worried about league play.

Like all rules, I start by asking WHY? It isn't like inclusion of out of state teams takes away opportunities to participate for Minnesotans. Teams would go over the game limits if they could. Interested in hearing the rationale.

O-townClown · Post by **O-townClown** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 1:02 pm

elliott70 wrote:Inter-classification play such B & C has never been allowed.

A team from outside of MN is difficult to evaluate whether an A B or C level.

Not really! At least not for the AAA teams in question. AAA is the approximate of Minnesota's A hockey for the large associations.

InTheKnow · Post by **InTheKnow** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 1:06 pm

Elliott,

Can you confirm that this is not a MN Hockey rule and just a D6 rule?

elliott70 · Post by **elliott70** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 1:07 pm

O-townClown wrote:
elliott70 wrote:Inter-classification play such B & C has never been allowed.

A team from outside of MN is difficult to evaluate whether an A B or C level.
Not really! At least not for the AAA teams in question. AAA is the approximate of Minnesota's A hockey for the large associations.

I don't disagree.
But up here we get a lot of Canadian teams and they tend to differ in abilities. North Dakota and Wisconsin teams are easier.

We have had the Fire in D16 tourneys and ahve no problem having them as long as they are properly registered.

QuackerTracker · Post by **QuackerTracker** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 2:57 pm

elliott70 wrote:
QuackerTracker wrote:
elliott70 wrote:I found it, a district 6 rule.
Can you post where you found it? I would like to get all the info.
I found it on D6 site under rules etc...
on the first page - changes for 2009-2010.

Thanks for the info. It had not been posted when we where informed over the weekend. It's still a joke!

elliott70 · Post by **elliott70** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 3:15 pm

InTheKnow wrote:Elliott,

Can you confirm that this is not a MN Hockey rule and just a D6 rule?

Yes, it is not a MH rule, unless something happened in the summer meeting that I missed, but my asst was there and said nothing of it and I read nothing of it in the minutes.

It maybe a suggestion from the tournament committee (and I missed it), but it is not a formulaized rule.

Look at MH handbook, if it is there I can't see it.

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