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DMom
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Post by DMom »

Notes concerning the team roster in 2 above:
This roster must contain the names of all of the participants (players and coaches). This roster does not have to be signed by the players or coaches. This roster does not have to be approved by the “Proper Authority”. This roster is only valid for pre-season scrimmage games. It is not valid for League Games, Tournament games or games played outside of USA Hockey (i.e. Canada). Games played while this temporary roster is in effect do not count toward meeting the National Tournament eligibility requirements. This roster will be retained by the Associate Registrar until the Official Roster is validated and approved, at which time, the Associate Registrar will discard this temporary roster
I was told by our District to forward a temporary roster to the district and the association registrar. Did that yesterday, and will be getting a temporary roster from any team we play. Because our association had online registration and it was the only way to register, it eliminated a lot of the volunteer time that used to go into tracking down waivers, payments, USA hockey numbers, etc. Could that be why other districts aren't concerned by the roster issue?

What would be the point of scrimmaging within your district? You're already going to see more of those teams than you want to. PM me, we'll take anyone's spot in the Preview who can't participate now :lol:
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Post by hiptzech »

Help me understand why this is such a big deal. I see there are complaints of money paid out for ice time, refs, ect. What is wrong with starting the season with practices where you have the opportunity to work in skill development and team play. I am sure all that are complaining are knowledgeable about the amount of time a player has the puck on their stick during games when compared to practice time. I am not so sure that the kids don’t like it but the adults (once again) that have the issue. Why is this so bad? Take the ice time and make good use of the money spent, take the ice tim and practice, and the ref pay, have a pizza party. Get over it. Talk about a waste of money. Pay for a scrimmage that means nothing and limits the ice time for the players? If you want a return on your investment use some common sense. Keep your scrimmage scheduled, fire the refs, split the ice and practice. If you want to compete pit players from different teams and have them play small area games. End the ice time with a mini scrimmage of 20 mins. Get creative and stop pissing and moaning about a policy that is in place and you can not win at this time.
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Amen

Post by northwoods oldtimer »

hiptzech wrote:Help me understand why this is such a big deal. I see there are complaints of money paid out for ice time, refs, ect. What is wrong with starting the season with practices where you have the opportunity to work in skill development and team play. I am sure all that are complaining are knowledgeable about the amount of time a player has the puck on their stick during games when compared to practice time. I am not so sure that the kids don’t like it but the adults (once again) that have the issue. Why is this so bad? Take the ice time and make good use of the money spent, take the ice tim and practice, and the ref pay, have a pizza party. Get over it. Talk about a waste of money. Pay for a scrimmage that means nothing and limits the ice time for the players? If you want a return on your investment use some common sense. Keep your scrimmage scheduled, fire the refs, split the ice and practice. If you want to compete pit players from different teams and have them play small area games. End the ice time with a mini scrimmage of 20 mins. Get creative and stop pissing and moaning about a policy that is in place and you can not win at this time.
Right on hiptzech! Excellent post my friend. I know a guy who had 14 years in the NHL that capped his team at 40 games and focused on the practice ice time and by George to a man his team got better. You are correct, the adults have the issue not the kids.
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Post by inthestands »

*the adults have the issue not the kids*


This quote is true for about 95% of all youth hockey issues.
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Post by SECoach »

This forum provides a great opportunity for angry adults to take their limited understanding of an issue and make a big deal of it. They can also throw names out and make angry and typically baseless acusations. The fact that it is normally the same people doing all the bitching at least shows that the vast majority of parents don't get involved in creating drama for their kids to digest. The kids have issues with none of these topics. Wait until they get a little older and they will share with you how YOU made THEIR game no fun. Junior High was a great time in life but it's time to wake up and leave the drama behind.
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Post by frederick61 »

To me, this topic has nothing to do with adults and kids. What D10 has done, in effect, throttled each associations individual teams. It is like starting the Indy 500 and telling each driver that they can not go faster then 100 mph for the first 50 laps so all the cars have had a chance to warm-up. The trouble will come later when teams like Elk River, Blaine, Centennial all try to catch up with other district's teams that are not throttled like Edina, Wayzata, Eden Prairie, Lakevilles, and Woodbury.

Of course, one can argue that practice, practice, practice is good for a team; but kids learn as a team under all conditions and scrimmages are part of that learning process because they provide the team a "low stress" opportunity to fail.
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Post by SECoach »

The anger displayed by people that are not involved in decision making, when they don't fully understand the decision is what does involve parents and kids. The drama created by the adults, screws it up for the kids. The kids are watching the adults act like children. They just dont say anything YET. If you are not directly involved, either get involved, or drop them off and get a cup of coffee or relax and watch the game. Questioning every single move of administrators and making a big deal of things that are not, wrecks it for everyone. Write up your temporary roster, fax it to the DD and go play your scrimmages. Oh that's right, this is not the team coach complaining about this. It's an uninformed parent. I won't even get into the topic of why not playing those scrimmages is not the end of the world, although making it the end of the world is just another dramafest. One parent poster, that doesn't understand what is being asked, lights the whole board on fire. Great role models. This is how you should handle things you disagree with.
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Post by frederick61 »

What prompted the decision to limit all D10 teams play in the first month? Has D10 interpreted a US Hockey rule that somehow does not apply to other districts? Or is the single point of the rule that last year a D10 team orchestrated an early “jamboree-like” event following Minnesota Hockey guidelines that resulted in a number of the top D10 teams playing three games against top competition from outside of D10 on the same weekend as D10’s Hall Of Fame Tourney?
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Post by SECoach »

I know in the district that i live in NO team can play ANY scrimmage until a roster has been submitted. Temporary rosters can be faxed to the DD and you are good to go until your official roster is signed off. This is not a new rule but it is widely unknown and teams often end up playing a scrimmage or two before their game scheduling meeting, which is where they are typically informed of this rule. District 10 may be making an attempt at adhering to a rule that has been in place for a long time. In our district you can have your roster signed off any time it is completed and you can hook up with the DD. Maybe District 10 is trying to make it a bit less helter skelter by having a set signing day. I don't know. i don't think it warrents the responses it has gotten.
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Post by elliott70 »

District 16 will be signing rosters November 22.

For any activity prior to that date we give temporary rosters that have to be specific as to what day(s) or game(s) they will be used.

No district games until the weekend of roster signing unless specific allowance (with a reason) for those games.

But our try-outs (for some not all) will just begin this coming weekend with others starting later.
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Post by LesHabs »

elliott70 wrote:Football, cross-country, other sports AND Fall fishing, hunting, trapping, harvesting are still in process.
At least there is somewhere where all is right with the world!
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Post by frederick61 »

The old interpretation of the rule (prior to the mid-90's switch in ages where Minnesota kept a two year definition per level and the USA Hockey went to the minor/major definition per level), some hockey associations would not finalize their team or submit final rosters until late December. But those associations (at least in the suburbs) that did that quickly learned that the personal heartache involved in moving a kid after tryout selection was not worth the gain.

Today, most associations lock each team's roster down at completion of tryouts (peewee, bantam, U14 and U12 levels). Prior to completion of tryouts teams scrimmage each other. This started about 5 years ago in the suburbs. In the past 10 days, I saw Jefferson, New Prague, Apple Valley, Farmington, Eastview, Woodbury, Cottage Grove, South St. Paul and Burnsville tryout scrimmages. Shortly after those scrimmages, each association made their final cuts and none will change those rosters.

Other levels in these associations, such as Squirt/U10, are not decided until November 10th or so. That is done simply to take advantage of early ice to allow the kids playing at these levels more ice time in a pre-tryout environment which is great for the kids developing within the program (allows the kids who have not been skating, to shake the rust). But once again, at the Squirt/U10 level once tryouts are over, each team's roster is set. It takes almost that proverbial "act of God" to change them.

With all this in play in association hockey, each association uses the tryout process to set their rosters permanently for the year. What does "submitting a final roster" by such and such a date mean? It means nothing. However in the US Hockey world of Tier I triple AAA teams organized by the local pizza factory, parents shop their kids to different teams. If the kid or parent has trouble with the pizza king team, they move on to the funiture store csar's team down the road. Locking the roster by such a date is needed for USA Hockey.

The D10 leaders can always find reasons to make decisions, but they should be driven by letting the associations decide on how to develop their teams and not try to constrain or throttle associations who show more interest in developing their programs.

Right now I suspect that all bantam, peewee, U14 and U12 team rosters for all twenty D10 associations are set. If not, for example, because those more rural have trouble completing tryouts because of a lack of available ice then the D10 leaders need to address that in how they structure their district leagues. Implementing a rule that has a vague history and has little meaning, constrains associations and each association's approach to attract kids to their programs. In this case, the D10 leaders approach is a negative.
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Post by SECoach »

Your AAA examples and Minnesota Hockey teams are part of the same parent organization. It has to do with insurance and it's not that big a deal. Submit your roster and go play. I'm sure the kids were really pissed off when they heard they needed to submit a roster before they could play a game.
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Post by greybeard58 »

A signed roster is needed before any team can compete in a USA Hockey event. Tournaments or league play. Most Districts set the registration sign off dates for the convenience of both the Association registrars and the Associate Registrar and the District Director. Once the roster is set the information is given to the local association registrar and they proceed to input the names of the players and coaches for each team and level in their cyber-sport software. A roster is then generated for each team which is now handed to each head coach to have the players and coaches sign and then returned to the registrar as quick as possible. While this is being done the registrar is also collecting Birth Certificates or a government doc. proving the birth date, the consent to treat forms that were signed at registration, copies of the back round check form filled out by the coach and a copy of the coaches card for each coach.
There are a number of coaches that in the past were less than helpful getting the signatures or parents that have trouble finding the birth certificates. The association registrar is doing this in addition to jobs and family. This process for a small association can take some time and even more for the larger associations. I know I have missed a few items, but I would suggest that you contact your local association registrar for any questions, or talk with any former registrar just how much time this takes.
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Post by frederick61 »

The point I am trying to make is that most associations in the Twin City suburbs are incorporating scrimmages as part of the tryout process (this is relatively new). Once the team is selected, the coaches incorporate scrimmages as part of their early season development prior to the start of district games. The second point is that once the teams are selected, the roster is fixed and any changes are really loathed by all (coaches and board members). The registration process that follows only documents the these decisions.

The D10 decision to restrict scrimmages serves no purpose unless there is something I am missing. And it hurts because there is more available ice time to the kids between now and the start of high school hockey (around Thanksgiving) that can be used to develop the association's teams. Once high school hockey kicks in, available ice goes down.

If D10 leaders think that D10 teams can catch up starting in mid to late Nov, they should think twice. Most D10 teams will move into district and tournament play. Remember D10 teams can play up to 20 league games. If you add 4 tourneys at an average of 4 games, you are up to 36 games. Those games would be played over a 10 to 11 week period (end of Nov to start of Feb). If you do the math, the D10 teams will average 3-4 games a week with maybe an hour or two for practice.

If D10 leaders are serious about the registration rule, then they should move the registration rule up so that their teams can began district play sooner. That could reduce the games per week to 2-3 and provide the coaches a better opportunity to develop the team.

I have some other points that I will post later.
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Post by hiptzech »

Is this issue more about the difference between skill development and team development? When you read this thread it is obvious that people are upset about the lack of scrimmages and the controlling of them at the beginning of the season. You have a policy that was loosely enforced before and now is being enforced; I liken this to the standards of play enforcement. Stop and consider that maybe D10 is starting to listen to USA Hockey and the emphasis on individual skill development. Could it be that D10 is enforcing the USA Hockey philosophy by limiting scrimmages to put measures in place that forces coaches to use ice time for skill development? Again, consider the amount of time the player has the puck on their stick during practice vs. during a game. It is pretty obvious where I stand on this issue, I will clarify….it would be skill development. If you think the argument of limited scrimmages at the beginning of the season is going to have an adverse effect on a team’s performance when league play starts you are off the mark, in my opinion. Piss away an hour of ice time for a scrimmage, why? Let me guess, so the coach can try out different lines and pairings. Weak argument, and doesn’t work for me. How can you argue with the information listed below? This information was presented at the Level 5 Symposium this past summer.
Game 50 minute game / 2 teams
= 5 minute WARM UP
= 10 minutes of stop time
= 35 minutes / 2 lines
= 17.5 minutes / 10 athletes
= 1.75 minutes of “Puck” time.
Practice 50 minute ice time
5 minute WARM UP
5 minute COOL DOWN
5 minute EXPLAIN
= 35 minutes of “Puck” time.
Bottom line it…Why is this such a bad thing? Sometimes change is good, so is choice..You can choose to continue to complain about this topic until the middle of November or you can accept the fact that there is nothing that these continued postings are going to do to change it now. Take the ice time that you were going to use and make good use of it. Split the ice and get 2 hours for the price of one, take the ref money and buy pizza. As a reminder, I am a ref why would I take this stance? Because it make sense. Why pay me to skate around with a puck in my hand as a result of an icing call while 2/3 team sits on the bench and watches? If it were my money, I would go with practices. It not my game, nor is it my win or loss.
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Post by hiptzech »

frederick61 wrote:To me, this topic has nothing to do with adults and kids. What D10 has done, in effect, throttled each associations individual teams. It is like starting the Indy 500 and telling each driver that they can not go faster then 100 mph for the first 50 laps so all the cars have had a chance to warm-up. The trouble will come later when teams like Elk River, Blaine, Centennial all try to catch up with other district's teams that are not throttled like Edina, Wayzata, Eden Prairie, Lakevilles, and Woodbury.

Of course, one can argue that practice, practice, practice is good for a team; but kids learn as a team under all conditions and scrimmages are part of that learning process because they provide the team a "low stress" opportunity to fail.
Fredrick,
Stick to writing game summaries, the game has changed since the advent of the fountain pin. You write great summaries, and do an excellent job of reviewing/previewing, but your philosophies are behind the times. There has been no throttling by D10 but rather with the old style of coaching. Your analogy of the Indy 500 is comical. It is not the car that needs to get warmed up but the driver. It’s not the stick that needs to get warmed up but the hands. Furthmore, thinking that a scrimmage is less stressful is off the mark. Today, scrimmages are games, the coach, players, and refs treat them as games. The only people that don’t consider the final outcome are the adults that loose the scrimmage. Teams may be given the opportunity to participate in a low stress environment, however the players aren’t. Youth hockey is not so much about team success, but rather team unity, player development, and retention. If it were about the win/loss record, players and coaches would be getting paid.
In short, stay away from coaching and stick with writing about “Teams”.
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Post by PWD10 »

hiptzech wrote:
frederick61 wrote:To me, this topic has nothing to do with adults and kids. What D10 has done, in effect, throttled each associations individual teams. It is like starting the Indy 500 and telling each driver that they can not go faster then 100 mph for the first 50 laps so all the cars have had a chance to warm-up. The trouble will come later when teams like Elk River, Blaine, Centennial all try to catch up with other district's teams that are not throttled like Edina, Wayzata, Eden Prairie, Lakevilles, and Woodbury.

Of course, one can argue that practice, practice, practice is good for a team; but kids learn as a team under all conditions and scrimmages are part of that learning process because they provide the team a "low stress" opportunity to fail.
Fredrick,
Stick to writing game summaries, the game has changed since the advent of the fountain pin. You write great summaries, and do an excellent job of reviewing/previewing, but your philosophies are behind the times. There has been no throttling by D10 but rather with the old style of coaching. Your analogy of the Indy 500 is comical. It is not the car that needs to get warmed up but the driver. It’s not the stick that needs to get warmed up but the hands. Furthmore, thinking that a scrimmage is less stressful is off the mark. Today, scrimmages are games, the coach, players, and refs treat them as games. The only people that don’t consider the final outcome are the adults that loose the scrimmage. Teams may be given the opportunity to participate in a low stress environment, however the players aren’t. Youth hockey is not so much about team success, but rather team unity, player development, and retention. If it were about the win/loss record, players and coaches would be getting paid.
In short, stay away from coaching and stick with writing about “Teams”.
I kind of agree with Fredrick.

Scrimmages that we had, did not have or provide for power play opportunities, penalty kills, 5 vs less players, clock management, changes on the fly and a whole host of other things that a game would or should have. All things that I am sure a coach would like to work on in a game, before the season starts but we can't.

USA hockey recommends 3-1 practice to play. We are at 10.5 to 1. Is it an issue practicing? No the practice hockey rink is less then 200 yards away in our case. Other rink is maybe a couple of miles. Not an issue. Compared to the almost 80 mile round trip of the last scrimmage. I might add the 35 hours of practice we have before we play a game is the equivilent of almost 4 months of practice in other parts of the country as most teams only get two hours a week, but they usually play two games that same week also.

Games introduce the unknown. Players, size, speed, referees, goalies penalties, lighting, ice conditions and a whole host of other issues too numerous to mention that you just can't really duplicate in a practice. We can talk about penalties and formations and plays but until you you actually do it, or execute it your completely out of your league.

Ideally I would like to see the standard. You practice 3 or 4 times you have a game or scrimmage or whatever the two teams agree upon.

Our final declarations were due October 5th. Our roster signoffs are November 14th. All of the paperwork was turned in around the middle of August or early September. If you have Final declarations doesn't that mean the teams and levels have been decided before that date? So in essence we are having our hands tied by the district. We can't share practies, scrimmage or play a game until final rosters have been signed.

Item K from District 10 handbook. "District 10 teams will be allowed 3 scrimmage games for the purpose of setting their rosters before the roster sign off." Which in this case is almost 40 days later.

Remember when you think about the lines "Again...and Again...Again" from the Miracle Movie. The USA hockey team were college kids who barely came back to tie the Norway National team in an exhibition game. Norway a country with a population less than that of Minnesota today compared to our whole country. That is why we like to play games. We're dealing with 10-14 year old boys and girls who need the same opportunity to play a game before the season. By not allowing games you are handcuffing the teams. I don't care how you cut the cake.

Speaking of practice anyone watch the Gophers against UND last night.

In my opinion once you require final declarations you should be prepared to have final roster signings within a week at most of that date. Get the teams out on the ice having fun and working and learning. :)
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Post by hiptzech »

PWD10,
You have listed out some valid concerns, especially in the area of game situations. Again, you have a choice as to how you are going to handle this situation and how you are going to let it affect your season preparation. It doesn’t sound like there is much that is going to change between now and mid-November. Again, I would encourage creativity. Get together with your opponent and share the ice. Run small area games with/against each other. The same game situations that you have listed less a few can be recreated multiple times by running small area games. Instead of running the small area games against teammates, run them against your opponent. I think the powers that be would have a hard time arguing that this type of practice could be considered a scrimmage, but rather a cooperative practice. Run your practice, then a 20 min scrimmage if you want to work on the fly changes. Still concerned about it being considered a scrimmage? Have the goalies play for the opposing teams.
Just trying to help…Enjoy the game
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VFW

Post by Tenoverpar »

does D10 play a VFW schedule as well? If they do, then the teams will play upwards of 70-80 games this year (if they go deep in tournaments).

So what's the issue? Do you want to play good and be on top of your game in October or in February?

Whoever started this thread sounds like they have Edina-envy
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Post by silentbutdeadly3139 »

hiptzech wrote:PWD10,
You have listed out some valid concerns, especially in the area of game situations. Again, you have a choice as to how you are going to handle this situation and how you are going to let it affect your season preparation. It doesn’t sound like there is much that is going to change between now and mid-November. Again, I would encourage creativity. Get together with your opponent and share the ice. Run small area games with/against each other. The same game situations that you have listed less a few can be recreated multiple times by running small area games. Instead of running the small area games against teammates, run them against your opponent. I think the powers that be would have a hard time arguing that this type of practice could be considered a scrimmage, but rather a cooperative practice. Run your practice, then a 20 min scrimmage if you want to work on the fly changes. Still concerned about it being considered a scrimmage? Have the goalies play for the opposing teams.
Just trying to help…Enjoy the game
mmmmm ...sound like you backtracked and may owe Fredrick an apology :lol:
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Let us play

Post by rj04 »

This has nothing to do with parents! The reason I started this thread was to try and understand the reasoning behind the decision to limit the scrimmages to 3 and why D10 does not accept temporary rosters like other districts. To my shock, no one has produced a sound reason why! If your challenge is that you burn your kids out to early! Wrong, who was at state last year and who won? If your challenge is equality through the state. Wrong! Only district in the state to apply this rule. Bottom line is that there is only so much you can learn without real time experience. We all know that most kids are coming off of summer ice so why are some of you emphasising development. I agree with maintaining your skills but Bantam A, Pee Wee A and the 14U A , 12U A are the most competitive leagues out there before Varsity. Skills are in place and it is time to start teaching systems and play. Best learned through scrimmages and games. You all have to agree that you can only go so far with practice. I am not talking about 30 scrimmages before the regular season begins. I am looking for 6 to 7 outside of our own district. We see the same teams all year, why limit us and keep us from facing other strong teams? Tenoverpar, you say Edina Envy!! Why should we be envious of Edina? Unless you already know why! And who here agrees that you get the same kind of intensity from your players while playing your own team then against another. Again you are limiting the exposure of your team. Small games are good for practice but they will never be the same as having an actual opponent in front of you. A head coach may think his fist line is on track in practice and small game but put them in front of another team and you will see something different. We all learn something new about our team when we face different opponents. We see our weaknesses and our strengths. And if we can run power plays and penalty kills as well, all the better.


Did you all know that Bantam stands for little chicken. True Story!!! look it up :lol:
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Post by observer »

I agree with you rj04. One change we've seen during the last 5 years is that now almost all members of any metro PeeWee or Bantam A team skate on a off season team, and work on development, during the spring, summer and fall. They come in so much more prepared than just 5 years ago. Most metro B1 teams are the same as the larger association teams are loaded with high end 1st year players and very solid 2nd year players. After tryouts they're ready to rock.

Good discussion because B2 and C isn't the same and they do need much more focus on development during the association season because they likely didn't work as hard in the off season. The various levels have different dynamics and hence should be planned and managed differently. To apply a philosophy better designed for a B2 and C team to an A team is not doing everything you can to help the A player develop. Why penalize the hard workers in your association. Determine the distinctions and manage each level appropriately.
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Re: Let us play

Post by SECoach »

rj04 wrote:This has nothing to do with parents! The reason I started this thread was to try and understand the reasoning behind the decision to limit the scrimmages to 3 and why D10 does not accept temporary rosters like other districts. To my shock, no one has produced a sound reason why! If your challenge is that you burn your kids out to early! Wrong, who was at state last year and who won? If your challenge is equality through the state. Wrong! Only district in the state to apply this rule. Bottom line is that there is only so much you can learn without real time experience. We all know that most kids are coming off of summer ice so why are some of you emphasising development. I agree with maintaining your skills but Bantam A, Pee Wee A and the 14U A , 12U A are the most competitive leagues out there before Varsity. Skills are in place and it is time to start teaching systems and play. Best learned through scrimmages and games. You all have to agree that you can only go so far with practice. I am not talking about 30 scrimmages before the regular season begins. I am looking for 6 to 7 outside of our own district. We see the same teams all year, why limit us and keep us from facing other strong teams? Tenoverpar, you say Edina Envy!! Why should we be envious of Edina? Unless you already know why! And who here agrees that you get the same kind of intensity from your players while playing your own team then against another. Again you are limiting the exposure of your team. Small games are good for practice but they will never be the same as having an actual opponent in front of you. A head coach may think his fist line is on track in practice and small game but put them in front of another team and you will see something different. We all learn something new about our team when we face different opponents. We see our weaknesses and our strengths. And if we can run power plays and penalty kills as well, all the better.

Did you all know that Bantam stands for little chicken. True Story!!! look it up :lol:
I'm guessing you are not a coach, and these questions should be brought up by the coach if he/she has them. Based on the statements above....if you are a coach......you are riding solo on 99% of what you are saying. If you believe the skills are set for Bantam, Pee Wee, U14 and U12....well i can't even think of an appropriate response to that.

The bottom line is, every association has a district rep. If you do indeed want an explanation as to a District 10 policy, then go ask the District 10 rep to your association. If they can't tell you then they should get you an answer. I do think that based on the above, that any answer you are given will be wrong in your eyes. If you disagree, then attend a District 10 meeting and state your case. The other option is to come on here and make a big stink about it.
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Post by InigoMontoya »

The other option is to come on here and make a big stink about it.
SEC, how many scrimmages will your team have prior to 11/14?
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