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Yes, those darn coaches need to take control..Faceguard79 wrote:Listen to the coaches, that's where it starts in my experience.
What I'm saying is the coaches cuss on the bench, they cuss at the refs and the kids pick it up. Obviously the parents are responsible for their kids life lessons. Not all the kids, but the impressionable ones will pick up on low class behavior from the coach.inthestands wrote:Yes, those darn coaches need to take control..Faceguard79 wrote:Listen to the coaches, that's where it starts in my experience.
One thing, if the players haven't listened to their parents and gotten the proper life lessons on the way to the high school ranks, how is that coach suppose to have success in teaching anything unrelated to a break out or power play?
That doesn't excuse the coaches ... they still need to reinforce the good behavior and address the bad behavior. Parents have a tougher time than ever trying to instill good behavior with so many influences providing the wrong example. With the relaxed standards of what is acceptable coaches need to help by being a good example. I'm not a prude but ever notice how much swearing is allowed on basic cable these days ? George Carlin's seven dirty words you can't say on television is now down to 3 words dirty words you can't say on television, 0 if your on payTV.inthestands wrote:I've had 3 go through with one still in, and been involved in many different facets of youth and high school hockey.
While there are incidents when coaches make bad decisions, the youth level associations should be dealing with that directly while the high school coaches have a bit more leeway.
By the time those players are in high school sports, the impressions have been made long ago. The coaches at that level need to continue teaching respect and positive life lessons, but also have a much more difficult road with different pressures from youth level sports.
Parent have these kids every day from their first one. Youth level coaches have them for a few hours per week, HS coaches have them for 6 to 10 hours per week during the winter months. If they haven't gotten a good start on the proper behavior patterns, in most cases it's already too late.
I don't recall excusing the coaches, but maybe I missed something.silentbutdeadly3139 wrote:That doesn't excuse the coaches ... they still need to reinforce the good behavior and address the bad behavior. Parents have a tougher time than ever trying to instill good behavior with so many influences providing the wrong example. With the relaxed standards of what is acceptable coaches need to help by being a good example. I'm not a prude but ever notice how much swearing is allowed on basic cable these days ? George Carlin's seven dirty words you can't say on television is now down to 3 words dirty words you can't say on television, 0 if your on payTV.inthestands wrote:I've had 3 go through with one still in, and been involved in many different facets of youth and high school hockey.
While there are incidents when coaches make bad decisions, the youth level associations should be dealing with that directly while the high school coaches have a bit more leeway.
By the time those players are in high school sports, the impressions have been made long ago. The coaches at that level need to continue teaching respect and positive life lessons, but also have a much more difficult road with different pressures from youth level sports.
Parent have these kids every day from their first one. Youth level coaches have them for a few hours per week, HS coaches have them for 6 to 10 hours per week during the winter months. If they haven't gotten a good start on the proper behavior patterns, in most cases it's already too late.
No question, parents have primary responsibility. But when you start stating how "the impressions have been made long ago", "the coaches ...have a much more difficult road with different pressures from youth level sports", and state how little time coaches spend with the kids and "in most cases it's already too late" it sounds like excuses ... if coaches have it tuff, they need to work harder at it. Not sayin they have to fix it but don't add to the problem.inthestands wrote:I don't recall excusing the coaches, but maybe I missed something.silentbutdeadly3139 wrote:That doesn't excuse the coaches ... they still need to reinforce the good behavior and address the bad behavior. Parents have a tougher time than ever trying to instill good behavior with so many influences providing the wrong example. With the relaxed standards of what is acceptable coaches need to help by being a good example. I'm not a prude but ever notice how much swearing is allowed on basic cable these days ? George Carlin's seven dirty words you can't say on television is now down to 3 words dirty words you can't say on television, 0 if your on payTV.inthestands wrote:I've had 3 go through with one still in, and been involved in many different facets of youth and high school hockey.
While there are incidents when coaches make bad decisions, the youth level associations should be dealing with that directly while the high school coaches have a bit more leeway.
By the time those players are in high school sports, the impressions have been made long ago. The coaches at that level need to continue teaching respect and positive life lessons, but also have a much more difficult road with different pressures from youth level sports.
Parent have these kids every day from their first one. Youth level coaches have them for a few hours per week, HS coaches have them for 6 to 10 hours per week during the winter months. If they haven't gotten a good start on the proper behavior patterns, in most cases it's already too late.
If parents have it tuff, they need to work harder at it. The parents have primary responsibility of their children. That's all I'm saying. There are way too many home situations where the kids run free, and the parents are part time care providers..
Then put your finger away. As I said, parents ARE responsible for their children and I am responsible to look in the mirror AND remind a coach that swearing at my high school son is not acceptable ... just as it is not acceptable to swear at/in front of my 9 year old. Many coaches get the point across without yelling and swearing. Its done in business every day ... sorry to belabor the point but its a sore spot with me since my kid came home wanting to quit because he was tired of being sworn at/around. He's 9inthestands wrote:Silent, its about a horse a piece. The parents have primary, the coaches have to be good leaders and set the bar.
It's early, but once the seasons get into full swing it will be the officials getting blasted for not doing one thing or another.
If we had more people looking in the mirror to make things better, rather than pointing fingers, the kids would have a better guide to grow up by.
loveitorleaveit.....It's time to put this topic to rest as we all have heard what is happening within CR Association with certain players. Let me say this does not include the entire team only 2 or 3loveitorleaveit wrote:The coon rapids bantam a team just loves to use the 4 letter words. It was the talk of the superrink again this weekend. The rink was full of christmas cheer and spirit.
If anyone needs to show kids how not to talk, find out when CR plays again.
I think that is how the coach must be dealing with it - JUST LEAVE IT ALONE - IT WILL FIX ITSELF. Get your head out of the ice - it keeps coming up - so we keep getting to talk about it.blueliner5 wrote:loveitorleaveit.....It's time to put this topic to rest as we all have heard what is happening within CR Association with certain players. Let me say this does not include the entire team only 2 or 3loveitorleaveit wrote:The coon rapids bantam a team just loves to use the 4 letter words. It was the talk of the superrink again this weekend. The rink was full of christmas cheer and spirit.
If anyone needs to show kids how not to talk, find out when CR plays again.
Correct me if I am wrong:loveitorleaveit wrote:I think that is how the coach must be dealing with it - JUST LEAVE IT ALONE - IT WILL FIX ITSELF. Get your head out of the ice - it keeps coming up - so we keep getting to talk about it.blueliner5 wrote:loveitorleaveit.....It's time to put this topic to rest as we all have heard what is happening within CR Association with certain players. Let me say this does not include the entire team only 2 or 3loveitorleaveit wrote:The coon rapids bantam a team just loves to use the 4 letter words. It was the talk of the superrink again this weekend. The rink was full of christmas cheer and spirit.
If anyone needs to show kids how not to talk, find out when CR plays again.
