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Do you think they would even admit it, if it wasn'tinthestands wrote:Who was the grass greener for, you or her?SuperStar wrote:Or you can do what I did with my kids....Which is MOVE across town and win a State Championship in HIGH SCHOOL..
Don't beleive the old saying "the grass is NOT always greener on the other side" cause sometimes, it really is...!!
Glad to hear the move was a positive one, and not soley related to Hockey. The state tourney was an added bonus, and probably a nice one at that.SuperStar wrote:Honestly...? Yes, it was the best move we ever made. But it was NOT solely on Hockey - just worked out that way - which was fortunate.
So did she not make the JVhemiman wrote:Just thought I would post an update:
HS tryouts went as expected, Coaches kid made the team. Yes they were 2 goalies fighting for one spot.
this might make me sound a little crazy, but I'll mention it anyways because several people brought it to my attention during captains ice and tryouts. Kudos for the coaching staff for getting 40 girls to take it easy on the coaches kid. (i.e. long shots, pulling up on shots, or hitting the leg pads or belly) In her defense she played better than I have ever seen her play.
Here are our current choices: my kid made the 14ua, but will split time, or she has been offered a chance to play 19u.
Can I hear some opinions about the 2 options we have? What would some of you do?
It sounds more than a little crazy.......14A is the way to go versus 19B unless there is more crazy stuff at 14A.hockeya1a wrote:So did she not make the JVhemiman wrote:Just thought I would post an update:
HS tryouts went as expected, Coaches kid made the team. Yes they were 2 goalies fighting for one spot.
this might make me sound a little crazy, but I'll mention it anyways because several people brought it to my attention during captains ice and tryouts. Kudos for the coaching staff for getting 40 girls to take it easy on the coaches kid. (i.e. long shots, pulling up on shots, or hitting the leg pads or belly) In her defense she played better than I have ever seen her play.
Here are our current choices: my kid made the 14ua, but will split time, or she has been offered a chance to play 19u.
Can I hear some opinions about the 2 options we have? What would some of you do?
Why wait. At the very least they might be looking for a practice or fill-in goalie. Get in the loop now and get the development you are looking for.joxs wrote:Follow the Thoroughbreds this year and have your daughter tryout next summer. This is a highly dedicated group of women that really want to play.
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Minnesota ... 3904907683
Go with 14uA. 19U is a nice league and is getting more competitive each year but its primarily for kids who can't or don't want to play HS hockey. 14uA is a better track for HS hockey.hemiman wrote:Just thought I would post an update:
HS tryouts went as expected, Coaches kid made the team. Yes they were 2 goalies fighting for one spot.
this might make me sound a little crazy, but I'll mention it anyways because several people brought it to my attention during captains ice and tryouts. Kudos for the coaching staff for getting 40 girls to take it easy on the coaches kid. (i.e. long shots, pulling up on shots, or hitting the leg pads or belly) In her defense she played better than I have ever seen her play.
Here are our current choices: my kid made the 14ua, but will split time, or she has been offered a chance to play 19u.
Can I hear some opinions about the 2 options we have? What would some of you do?
The Thoroughbreds have a set age limit - a U14 player cannot play with them if they are still under the same MN Hockey Charter.Hux wrote:Why wait. At the very least they night be looking for a practice or fill-in goalie. Get in the loop now and get the development you are looking for.joxs wrote:Follow the Thoroughbreds this year and have your daughter tryout next summer. This is a highly dedicated group of women that really want to play.
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Minnesota ... 3904907683
joehockey wrote:As an old goalie and one who still watches and helps lots of goalies my thoughts would be
1) Make sure your daughter plays this year with friends
2) Set up a specific plan for her to improve this year - ditch the bitterness you have and help her work on her the only thing either of you can control - here is a general list that could help any goalie but have her set up and do a "Good to Great Plan" where I am today and where I want to be.....
- Set up off ice strength and quickness training - if my daughter were 14 it would be yoga, core work, speed/plyo, things like cardio boxing - result will be improved strength and stamina this is a key foundation for goalies
- Radically improve skating and ability to play/pass/shoot/handle the puck and do it in off ice, in games and as much as you can in practice - the greatest difference between boys and girl goaltenders is boys always want to play the puck and girls never want to play the puck.
- Get a good goalie system and coach. Often this is a program like Melvin suggested. Great goalies have a fundamental style and approach for everything they do and they are tweaking always to eliminate weakness. To many girls especially the #2-3 goalies on HS teams don't have this approach.
- Get reps/shots in net.....goalies are always in demand find ways for her to get lots of shots from good players boys and girls - or even in a men's league you might play in.
Last goalies are kind of born they have that daffy extra gene that makes them fearless - you have to feed that flame with helping them find ways to stop the puck. Goaltending as you move up the ladder is one part physical to 3 parts mental - help her focus her mental aspects only on the puck and game situation. A goalie can't think or worry about a coaches decision - they can only develop their skills and leadership so that when given a chance to play in a game, practice or tryout the coaches say WOW. Control what you can control the rest will make you crazy and drive her from the game with less than fond memories. Good luck!.
Being a father who has made a ton of dumb mistake - just ask thoughs who know me....don't write the e-mail instead ask to meet with coach to gain insight on what to improve - then say thank you - if this is going to be the future coach you need to learn how he thinks and what he thinks - then build a plan. The race is long and ultimately the best players do stand out - but remember kids go many different ways and have many priority changes between 14-18 and each is right for that kid - as parents we take all of this much harder - keep your goaler having fun, get good development and success will follow!hemiman wrote:Well, we decided to split time at 14uA.
Thanks for the input. We'll just have to see how things play out.
I do agree w/ the rough around the edges statement, Melvin, that was probably my main concern.LOL
As far as training, I think we do all right. Summer program, select tourneys (2 last summer) Summer team and the goalcrease. We have a hard time with some of the summer options, being a two income family and ice times being during the day. It limits the options when you have to work.
Joe, as usual you are right, I am bitter. I get upset when I watch a kid(not just mine) not get judged fairly. To be honest I 've been more upset when I've seen other kids get passed over. In two cases the girls passed over eventually moved on further than kids chosen before them at the time. As far as skills my kid is a stronger skater over all than 2 of the HS kids. One cant cross over and neither can go post to post in one shuffle. Skills were not much of a factor in the decision process.
I am debating an email to the head coach, just to here what he has to say. Looking forward to what happens next year, my hunch is they stay away from my kid, if only to not be proven wrong when she outplays one maybe two returning goalies. I think advance 15s will prove my point, unless the goalie coach gets himself in there as well.
She was cut from the HS program, we would have been fine w/ her on jv, w/3 older goalies she probably belonged there. We will never know. The other girls dad is the goalie coach, yes he did the grading. In the other girls defense she played as well as I have seen her play recently. But I still believe my kid is a stronger player. Besides my kid two other people noticed the kids taking it easier on her. One dad asked why they were throwing cupcakes at her. My daughter pointed it out at the beginning of captains ice.F14 wrote:Was your daughter cut from the JV as well as the varsity? I got the feeling she and you didn't want to play JV? Is that accurate?
It sounded like the coaches daughter played well (even with your comments about kids taking it easy on her and shooting right at her).
Since she and you chose 14A I think that is great. I've coached different levels of baseball from HS on down to Little League, and I would really always a parent actually talking to me. If he ISN'T the HS coach, I don't understand why you wouldn't talk to him and build a friendly relationship? He isn't a Decision maker for the HS program anyway is he?
Good advice and when life hands you lemons make lemonade...really a good life skill, too, to help your daughter develop.joehockey wrote:As an old goalie and one who still watches and helps lots of goalies my thoughts would be
1) Make sure your daughter plays this year with friends
2) Set up a specific plan for her to improve this year - ditch the bitterness you have and help her work on her the only thing either of you can control - here is a general list that could help any goalie but have her set up and do a "Good to Great Plan" where I am today and where I want to be.....
- Set up off ice strength and quickness training - if my daughter were 14 it would be yoga, core work, speed/plyo, things like cardio boxing - result will be improved strength and stamina this is a key foundation for goalies
- Radically improve skating and ability to play/pass/shoot/handle the puck and do it in off ice, in games and as much as you can in practice - the greatest difference between boys and girl goaltenders is boys always want to play the puck and girls never want to play the puck.
- Get a good goalie system and coach. Often this is a program like Melvin suggested. Great goalies have a fundamental style and approach for everything they do and they are tweaking always to eliminate weakness. To many girls especially the #2-3 goalies on HS teams don't have this approach.
- Get reps/shots in net.....goalies are always in demand find ways for her to get lots of shots from good players boys and girls - or even in a men's league you might play in.
Last goalies are kind of born they have that daffy extra gene that makes them fearless - you have to feed that flame with helping them find ways to stop the puck. Goaltending as you move up the ladder is one part physical to 3 parts mental - help her focus her mental aspects only on the puck and game situation. A goalie can't think or worry about a coaches decision - they can only develop their skills and leadership so that when given a chance to play in a game, practice or tryout the coaches say WOW. Control what you can control the rest will make you crazy and drive her from the game with less than fond memories.
Good luck!
