AA Rankings for 12/20/09

Goldfishdude · Post by **Goldfishdude** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 1:36 am

There.... now, I guess we can say we have a HappyHockeyFan, eh, HappyHockeyFan?

HappyHockeyFan · Post by **HappyHockeyFan** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 1:37 am

Goldfishdude wrote:There.... now, I guess we can say we have a HappyHockeyFan, eh, HappyHockeyFan?

Yes, Happy for now!! lol

Roseauverrated · Post by **Roseauverrated** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 2:11 am

HappyHockeyFan wrote:
Roseauverrated wrote:There's no need to quote 6 posts in 1 message, especially when it's right after the one you're quoting.

My bet is Eagan remains mediocre at best throughout the next few years. I'm sorry but I just don't have much respect for them.
Based on your screen name your opinion means nothing to me because you obviously dont have any respect for one of the best programs in the history of Minnesota high school hockey.

Good for you. But who said I don't have any respect for Roseau? Sure I think they tend to be overrated somewhat but that doesn't mean I don't have respect for their program. For a tiny school like them to even be ranked in AA is pretty impressive to me. With the easy schedule they play, its very hard to determine where they actually belong in the rankings; I tend to place them lower than most people. I do have respect for Roseau though.

Have fun watching your mediocre Wildcats not live up to your unrealistically high expectations in the next few years!

Slap Shot · Post by **Slap Shot** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 4:23 am

HappyHockeyFan wrote:Nobody EVER said on this thread that Eagan was better than Jefferson....

Pardon?

HShockeywatcher wrote: At the moment in time where we are in the season, right now, I believe Eagan should be ranked ahead of Jefferson.

I would have Eagan in the top ten and Jefferson lower than them.

northwoods oldtimer · Post by **northwoods oldtimer** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 5:29 am

Moving on to other topics; I am surprised to see the defending state champion Eden Prairie Eagles lower than anyone who's lost a game. Their one loss is their most recent game, away and by 2 to the team last year many said was the best team in state. I'd put them #2 right behind Tonka (and would've had them ahead until their loss).

I totally agree, you just do not win in Braemar especially if you are EP. Historically that would bear out as well for EP when traveling to Breamar. Put these 2 on a different sheet of ice and see what occurs. EP plummets on what should be an expected loss, maybe it is the 5-3 margin of victory (do not know)? With everyone gunning for the reigning champ you have to bring it every night. Back to the rankings boys.

HShockeywatcher · Post by **HShockeywatcher** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 9:01 am

karl,

As I've said before, none of my comments are meant to be disrespectful in anyway, simply giving my opinion and hoping to stir up discussion, as I have done. That being said, I will respond to your post:

1. We have a differing of opinion on what to consider and what not. When you have played 5 games, I would consider one of your wins (20% of the schedule thus far) to be very good. Yes, if you've played a full season and have one big win, maybe a fluke, but if you've played a very small part of your season, you only have so many games to go by.

2. I don't know much about the math of PS2, but I do know it uses last season's rank in the beginning of the season.

3. Not to say you're wrong for giving ranking to a team for history, but pointing out other ranking systems who do as well doesn't make it right.

No biggie. We'll see how the next couple weeks go. Have a good break for those of you in school and Happy Holidays.

HShockeywatcher · Post by **HShockeywatcher** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 9:02 am

Slap Shot, you have to be kidding. My comment was written after his. Nice try though

RFFalcon22 · Post by **RFFalcon22** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 9:35 am

I'm glad someone who can be objective and impartial is putting together these rankings.

I've seen both teams play and if you really think Eagan is better than Jefferson you are either an Eagan parent or fan. There's a difference between being better overall and playing better on that particular night.

That's why they play the games though...beat Jefferson again and you will get your high ranking.

HShockeywatcher · Post by **HShockeywatcher** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 10:38 am

I am neither. Haven't seen either play, just base my opinions based on the numbers. That's all. But it's good to hear from someone who has seen both play.

blueblood · Post by **blueblood** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 11:44 am

Any thoughts on the upcoming Gold division for Schwan's cup?

Slap Shot · Post by **Slap Shot** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 11:53 am

HShockeywatcher wrote:Slap Shot, you have to be kidding. My comment was written after his.

Dude, the obvious point was that there is at least one yahoo here insisting Eagan should be ranked higher than Jefferson.

HShockeywatcher · Post by **HShockeywatcher** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 12:16 pm

Your point was my saying where I'd rank Eagan AFTER someone had said no one said they should be top ten, not me being a yahoo for being confused why Jefferson is the ONLY team in the top 15 ranked ahead of a team they lost to and why Eagan is the ONLY team with a win over a top 15 team not in the top 15. Nice try though.

If it were me, I'd probably have Eagan right below CDH and Jefferson somewhere in the 10-15 range. So no, I wouldn't have Eagan as a top 3 team or anything, probably 9 or 10.

Hopefully the last comment on this topic...

schwang17 · Post by **schwang17** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 2:29 pm

HappyHockeyFan wrote:Nobody EVER said on this thread that Eagan was better than Jefferson or that they would be come seasons end. Just asking for some credibility after being better than Jefferson for one night on Jeffersons home ice..so relax.

Good job for beating a tough Jefferson team on their home ice. There, there's some credibility for you.

Essentially what HSHW was saying is that Jefferson is only ranked high because of past history and Eagan should be ranked higher. You see, most people that do these rankings see things for what they really are and try not to read too much into unforeseen outcomes. Are you really gonna rank Eagan higher than any of the teams listed in the top 15? Really? Being in the top 15 for a week means that much to you? I would rather Eagan accept and loathe their ranking for what it is and use it as motivation - I'm sure most of the players and coaches would too.

schwang17 · Post by **schwang17** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 2:44 pm

HShockeywatcher wrote:If it were me, I'd probably have Eagan right below CDH and Jefferson somewhere in the 10-15 range. So no, I wouldn't have Eagan as a top 3 team or anything, probably 9 or 10.

Hopefully the last comment on this topic...

You like to point out this seasons results with regards to Eagan but you want to ignore that fact with Jefferson. They have dismantled everybody but Eagan. They aren't ranked where they are because of past history. Your opinion on this topic belongs in a toilet and let's be thankful you aren't in charge of rankings.

Slap Shot · Post by **Slap Shot** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 4:27 pm

HShockeywatcher wrote:Hopefully the last comment on this topic...

There's no try required. Some yahoo thinks Eagan should be rated higher than Jefferson while every other indicator suggests they're not presently within a handful of spots of them.

Post by **karl(east)** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 11:40 pm

HShockeywatcher wrote:3. Not to say you're wrong for giving ranking to a team for history, but pointing out other ranking systems who do as well doesn't make it right.

My question is this--what argument do you have against using the past? (And by this, I mean the very recent past, not the state titles Jefferson won when I was a toddler. Why would you recommend not using my knowledge of how well this team did last year, and what they've brought back from that group?)

Lucia4President · Post by **Lucia4President** » Thu Dec 24, 2009 12:56 am

karl(east) wrote:
HShockeywatcher wrote:3. Not to say you're wrong for giving ranking to a team for history, but pointing out other ranking systems who do as well doesn't make it right.
My question is this--what argument do you have against using the past? (And by this, I mean the very recent past, not the state titles Jefferson won when I was a toddler. Why would you recommend not using my knowledge of how well this team did last year, and what they've brought back from that group?)

You have to. It's impossible to rank teams this early in the season without looking at what they return and what they lost. Now that teams have played almost 10 games, obviously it's more important to look at results, too. I don't think an upset this early in the year is important at all.

Another thing you have to do is look beyond the score of the game. I'm sure you read about all the top teams on the forum(s), but look at the box scores to get the best info on how good a team actually is. After all, UMD lost to Michigan Tech 3-2 this year, but the shots were 50-18 or something like that.

besthockeyfan · Post by **besthockeyfan** » Sat Dec 26, 2009 8:32 pm

schwang17 wrote:
HShockeywatcher wrote:If it were me, I'd probably have Eagan right below CDH and Jefferson somewhere in the 10-15 range. So no, I wouldn't have Eagan as a top 3 team or anything, probably 9 or 10.

Hopefully the last comment on this topic...
You like to point out this seasons results with regards to Eagan but you want to ignore that fact with Jefferson. They have dismantled everybody but Eagan. They aren't ranked where they are because of past history. Your opinion on this topic belongs in a toilet and let's be thankful you aren't in charge of rankings.

Eagan should be around 10. They crushed again today 8-1 over Armstrong. Running time the whole 3rd period.

HockeyMN1 · Post by **HockeyMN1** » Sat Dec 26, 2009 8:52 pm

northwoods oldtimer wrote:
Moving on to other topics; I am surprised to see the defending state champion Eden Prairie Eagles lower than anyone who's lost a game. Their one loss is their most recent game, away and by 2 to the team last year many said was the best team in state. I'd put them #2 right behind Tonka (and would've had them ahead until their loss).
I totally agree, you just do not win in Braemar especially if you are EP. Historically that would bear out as well for EP when traveling to Breamar. Put these 2 on a different sheet of ice and see what occurs. EP plummets on what should be an expected loss, maybe it is the 5-3 margin of victory (do not know)? With everyone gunning for the reigning champ you have to bring it every night. Back to the rankings boys.

Well unfortunatly it's not looking any better for my Eagles at the moment. They beat Burnsville 3-2 in OT on tuesday and Tonka is coming up. We better get it together fast or else...

Roseauverrated · Post by **Roseauverrated** » Sat Dec 26, 2009 9:13 pm

besthockeyfan wrote: Eagan should be around 10. They crushed again today 8-1 over Armstrong. Running time the whole 3rd period.

Since when does beating Armstrong mean you have very good team? Armstrong is terrible, it's expected anyone decent will beat them. Until Eagan can post another win over an elite team, I'm leaving them where they are now.

toptitty96 · Post by **toptitty96** » Sun Dec 27, 2009 1:17 am

besthockeyfan wrote:
schwang17 wrote:
HShockeywatcher wrote:If it were me, I'd probably have Eagan right below CDH and Jefferson somewhere in the 10-15 range. So no, I wouldn't have Eagan as a top 3 team or anything, probably 9 or 10.

Hopefully the last comment on this topic...
You like to point out this seasons results with regards to Eagan but you want to ignore that fact with Jefferson. They have dismantled everybody but Eagan. They aren't ranked where they are because of past history. Your opinion on this topic belongs in a toilet and let's be thankful you aren't in charge of rankings.
Eagan should be around 10. They crushed again today 8-1 over Armstrong. Running time the whole 3rd period.

And Edina should be #1 they crushed SLP 17-0! Running time the whole 3rd! Jefferson should be top 2 they crushed Eastview 11-1!!! Give me a break. A win like that doesn't show too much, be happy that Eagan is being given top 20 rank.

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