Minnetonka (8-0) vs. St Thomas (5-1) 12-29-09

starmvp · Post by **starmvp** » Tue Dec 29, 2009 6:53 pm

Minnetonka is up 3-1 in the 2nd period.

starmvp · Post by **starmvp** » Tue Dec 29, 2009 7:03 pm

Minnetonka 4-1 in the 2nd

starmvp · Post by **starmvp** » Tue Dec 29, 2009 7:43 pm

St. Thomas just scored but the Skippers are still up 5-2. In the 3rd period

deacon · Post by **deacon** » Tue Dec 29, 2009 8:38 pm

Just got back, some thoughts:
STA seemed to control most of the play outshooting Tonka but the 2 quick, early goals by Tonka really hurt STA. Some questionable calls didn't go in favor of STA. They had a disallowed goal and Tonka was given credit for a goal after the whistle blew. I'm not sure what to make of that. I think the teams are really evenly matched even though Tonka has won these 2 games this year. STA is faster thank Tonka but smaller. Gardiner ( i think thats right) was hurt in the game and did not return. It looked like he may have broken his arm the way they were holding it when he went left the ice. Altrichter played awful and to me, is STA's only questionable spot right now.

breakout · Post by **breakout** » Tue Dec 29, 2009 8:43 pm

deacon wrote:Just got back, some thoughts:
STA seemed to control most of the play outshooting Tonka but the 2 quick, early goals by Tonka really hurt STA. Some questionable calls didn't go in favor of STA. They had a disallowed goal and Tonka was given credit for a goal after the whistle blew. I'm not sure what to make of that. I think the teams are really evenly matched even though Tonka has won these 2 games this year. STA is faster thank Tonka but smaller. Gardiner ( i think thats right) was hurt in the game and did not return. It looked like he may have broken his arm the way they were holding it when he went left the ice. Altrichter played awful and to me, is STA's only questionable spot right now.

Maybe, just maybe Minnetonka is a better team??? I think so.

shakey · Post by **shakey** » Tue Dec 29, 2009 9:20 pm

Tonka is definitely the better team at this juncture. Hopefully Gardiner's injury is not as serious as it appeared.

deacon · Post by **deacon** » Tue Dec 29, 2009 9:30 pm

breakout wrote:
deacon wrote:Just got back, some thoughts:
STA seemed to control most of the play outshooting Tonka but the 2 quick, early goals by Tonka really hurt STA. Some questionable calls didn't go in favor of STA. They had a disallowed goal and Tonka was given credit for a goal after the whistle blew. I'm not sure what to make of that. I think the teams are really evenly matched even though Tonka has won these 2 games this year. STA is faster thank Tonka but smaller. Gardiner ( i think thats right) was hurt in the game and did not return. It looked like he may have broken his arm the way they were holding it when he went left the ice. Altrichter played awful and to me, is STA's only questionable spot right now.

Maybe, just maybe Minnetonka is a better team??? I think so.

Yes, Tonka probably is the better team but after the first 1:30 of the game today, it was played very evenly.

wingmaster · Post by **wingmaster** » Tue Dec 29, 2009 9:32 pm

deacon wrote:Just got back, some thoughts:
STA seemed to control most of the play outshooting Tonka but the 2 quick, early goals by Tonka really hurt STA. Some questionable calls didn't go in favor of STA. They had a disallowed goal and Tonka was given credit for a goal after the whistle blew. I'm not sure what to make of that. I think the teams are really evenly matched even though Tonka has won these 2 games this year. STA is faster thank Tonka but smaller. Gardiner ( i think thats right) was hurt in the game and did not return. It looked like he may have broken his arm the way they were holding it when he went left the ice. Altrichter played awful and to me, is STA's only questionable spot right now.

2 goals in a game should also be questionable, along with giving up 5

Gov78 · Post by **Gov78** » Tue Dec 29, 2009 9:33 pm

deacon wrote:Just got back, some thoughts:
STA seemed to control most of the play outshooting Tonka but the 2 quick, early goals by Tonka really hurt STA. Some questionable calls didn't go in favor of STA. They had a disallowed goal and Tonka was given credit for a goal after the whistle blew. I'm not sure what to make of that. I think the teams are really evenly matched even though Tonka has won these 2 games this year. STA is faster thank Tonka but smaller. Gardiner ( i think thats right) was hurt in the game and did not return. It looked like he may have broken his arm the way they were holding it when he went left the ice. Altrichter played awful and to me, is STA's only questionable spot right now.

How is the 2 quick goal this game different than the 2 quick goals by STA last time they played? Other than that Tonka overcame being down by 2 and STA wasn't able to?

Tonka again had every goal from a different player as they did against AHA. Both STA goals on the powerplay, no even strength goals.

deacon · Post by **deacon** » Tue Dec 29, 2009 9:51 pm

wingmaster wrote:
deacon wrote:Just got back, some thoughts:
STA seemed to control most of the play outshooting Tonka but the 2 quick, early goals by Tonka really hurt STA. Some questionable calls didn't go in favor of STA. They had a disallowed goal and Tonka was given credit for a goal after the whistle blew. I'm not sure what to make of that. I think the teams are really evenly matched even though Tonka has won these 2 games this year. STA is faster thank Tonka but smaller. Gardiner ( i think thats right) was hurt in the game and did not return. It looked like he may have broken his arm the way they were holding it when he went left the ice. Altrichter played awful and to me, is STA's only questionable spot right now.
2 goals in a game should also be questionable, along with giving up 5

no doubt.

deacon · Post by **deacon** » Tue Dec 29, 2009 9:55 pm

Gov78 wrote:
deacon wrote:Just got back, some thoughts:
STA seemed to control most of the play outshooting Tonka but the 2 quick, early goals by Tonka really hurt STA. Some questionable calls didn't go in favor of STA. They had a disallowed goal and Tonka was given credit for a goal after the whistle blew. I'm not sure what to make of that. I think the teams are really evenly matched even though Tonka has won these 2 games this year. STA is faster thank Tonka but smaller. Gardiner ( i think thats right) was hurt in the game and did not return. It looked like he may have broken his arm the way they were holding it when he went left the ice. Altrichter played awful and to me, is STA's only questionable spot right now.
How is the 2 quick goal this game different than the 2 quick goals by STA last time they played? Other than that Tonka overcame being down by 2 and STA wasn't able to?

Tonka again had every goal from a different player as they did against AHA. Both STA goals on the powerplay, no even strength goals.

I didn't say it was any different, I wasn't at the first game so I can't comment on it. All I said was that after the first 1:30, the game was played very evenly.

nikebauer05 · Post by **nikebauer05** » Tue Dec 29, 2009 10:19 pm

I can't believe no one has talked about Gardiner's injury. I just saw on the hub that he broke his wrist and could be out for 6 weeks. Almost like the previous STA Tonka game except the team that lost their star player in the 2nd won.

Saywhat?03 · Post by **Saywhat?03** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 2:51 am

Lets not pass any judgement but i just got done watchin the MAXIM hottest 10 home town hotties. WOW. As for the two teams, Minnetonka would have an obvious slight edge based on seniority. From my knowledge Tonka has four seniors that are D1 commits and STA has two senior commits. I believe STA has only 4 seniors that get regular playing time and one is the goalie. Both teams are really talented and it would have been interesting if the questionable "goal/not goal calls" calls would would have gone the other way? I think both teams are the unquestioned favorites in both there classes to win state of right now. Should be GREAT games on Friday.

breakout · Post by **breakout** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 6:45 am

deacon wrote:
breakout wrote:
deacon wrote:Just got back, some thoughts:
STA seemed to control most of the play outshooting Tonka but the 2 quick, early goals by Tonka really hurt STA. Some questionable calls didn't go in favor of STA. They had a disallowed goal and Tonka was given credit for a goal after the whistle blew. I'm not sure what to make of that. I think the teams are really evenly matched even though Tonka has won these 2 games this year. STA is faster thank Tonka but smaller. Gardiner ( i think thats right) was hurt in the game and did not return. It looked like he may have broken his arm the way they were holding it when he went left the ice. Altrichter played awful and to me, is STA's only questionable spot right now.

Maybe, just maybe Minnetonka is a better team??? I think so.
Yes, Tonka probably is the better team but after the first 1:30 of the game today, it was played very evenly.

Maybe in a third game STA would win. But, it's the outcome that matters. Tonka has proven to be the better team.

Any news on Gardiner's injury?

specialT23 · Post by **specialT23** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 6:58 pm

hey high flyer you seem pretty quiet right now... what happened to the speed of the STA forwards?

Factsmatter1 · Post by **Factsmatter1** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 7:42 pm

In events like this it comes down to goaltending:

Blaine-Edina shots 35-29 in favor of Blaine and Edina wins (3-2)
Blaine-STA - shots 35-31 in favor of Blaine and Blaine wins (4-1)

If you ignore goaltending for the sake of comparing the skaters I think they rank this way:

Skaters only: Blaine, STA, Edina
Include Goal Tending during Schwan's: Edina, Blaine, STA

Bottom line is Ankeny is very hot right now and overall these teams are pretty even... STA has a challenge in the net IMHO

knowitall · Post by **knowitall** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 8:06 pm

I cant believe how many excuses you STA fans have. First game against Tonka the excuse was they lost Isaakson. Second game they blame it on goaltending. Maybe you just arent that good. By the way, Tonka lost Gardiner in the second period of the second game and continued to play hard and came away with the victory unlike STA when they folded when they lost Isaakson

HShockeywatcher · Post by **HShockeywatcher** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 8:26 pm

knowitall,

I just read all the posts in this thread and didn't read one excuse. I wouldn't say they "just arent that good" as their only three losses are twice to the #1 team in state and their third is probably to the #3 team in state. That being said, they are comments on the game.

From the sounds of it, if Breck would've held onto their lead and won, most would've said the better team lost. They are comments about the game. You can play an even game and lose by 3 goals.

Not an excuse, but it looks like the goalie position is where the team is shaky. The competition has been good and he did shut out a WBL team that beat Holy Angels, but 3.22 GAA and 87.6% save percentage is not good. Too bad McNeely left.

Slap Shot · Post by **Slap Shot** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 8:55 pm

knowitall wrote:I cant believe how many excuses you STA fans have. First game against Tonka the excuse was they lost Isaakson. Second game they blame it on goaltending. Maybe you just arent that good. By the way, Tonka lost Gardiner in the second period of the second game and continued to play hard and came away with the victory unlike STA when they folded when they lost Isaakson

Never mind MHS didn't have Holl for all of the 1st game. I too hear excuses rather than simply stating they got beat fair and square. STA is a very good team regardless so is that hard to simply say they got beat without adding but but but?

HShockeywatcher · Post by **HShockeywatcher** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 9:00 pm

Minnetonka is a good team, St Thomas is a good team, St Thomas got beat by a better team. That good?

Slap Shot · Post by **Slap Shot** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 10:29 pm

I don't even care about whether or not MHS is rated as better. STA is a very good team and deserves their accolades and should be the team to beat at state. The point was simply that they got beat fair and nothing else.

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