Varsity Freshmen

[codyy33]

Jake Horton for Tartan had 2 goals and a assist in their 6-5 win over Park.

[TitanCoach]

Jake Horton for Tartan had 2 goals and a assist in their 6-5 win over Park.

Actually - he had 3 goals and an assist tonight!

[Teak]

Jake Horton for Tartan had 2 goals and a assist in their 6-5 win over Park.

Actually - he had 3 goals and an assist tonight!

Yeah, big game for Jake Horton which puts him at the top of the scoring chart. Other big games on Saturday:

Aaron Leintz, Bagley/Fosston, with the hat-trick in their 11-2 win over Ely. Louis Gerzin picked up another assist for Ely, which keeps him as the leading 8th Grader on the chart.

Sam Coatta picked up a goal in 'Tonka's win over Stillwater.

Games Played-Goals-Assists

22 points
Jake Horton, Tartan 11-11-11 (#2)
19 points
Grant Besse, Benilde-SM 10-13-6 (#3 on team)
Max Coatta, Minnetonka 10-11-8 (#3)
Levi Talarico, Duluth Denfeld 11-9-10 (#2)
15 points
Hudson Fasching, Apple Valley 10-9-6 (#1)
Tanner Picht, Morris-Benson 9-9-6 (#1)
Garrett Riebling, Holy Family Catholic 9-5-10 (#3)
14 points
Connor Chambers, No Lakes 10-9-5
Ryan Tapani, Providence Academy 10-6-8 (#2)
Kyle Osterberg, Lakeville South 9-3-11 (#1)
12 points
Nate Mettenburg, Prairie Centre 12-4-8 (#2)
10 points
T J Roo, Totino-Grace 7-7-3 (#1)
Andrew Scofield, Northfield 7-5-5 (#2)
Derek Graves, Mora/H-F 9-5-5
Zach LaValle, Hill-Murray 11-5-5
9 points
Dylan Libra, Mora/H-F 9-5-4
Zach Foesch, St. Francis 12-3-6
8 points
Louis Gerzin, Ely [8] 9-5-3
Ryan Mattson, Waconia 9-2-6 (#1)

[starmvp]

Coatta not producing as much without Gardiner? hmmm......

[ACDCfan]

Coatta not producing as much without Gardiner? hmmm......

Even Dino Ciccarelli's production would go down if he lost a linemate like Gardiner. Actually, anyone's production will probably go down from there (eight goals in three games) even if Gardiner were still around.

[eastsideguy]

Really impressive numbers from
Horton
Besse
Coatta
Fasching
Osterberg
Lavalle

They all play a big time schedule

[Teak]

Some of the top-scoring freshmen for Tuesday games:

Marcus Stoulil, Austin had two goals in their 10-1 win over Sleepy Eye. He has 6 goals and 1 assist now (I trust that you can add two numbers together to get the points, eh?).
Mike Welch (3-6), Redwood Valley, 2g 1a in 6-4 win over Morris-Benson, who had Tanner Picht [10-8] picking up 1g 2a that game.
Mario Bianchi (5-2), Academy of Holy Angels, with 2g in 13-1 slaughter of Farmington.
Chris Forney (1-7) and Ryan Tapani [7-8] each get a goal in their team's respective wins (Thief River Falls and Providence Academy).
Ian Johnson (5-2) of Park Rapids with a goal in their 5-0 over Northern Lakes.

[hockeyfan893]

Zach Lavalle of Hill-Murray with 2 assists in the win over STA, 4-2.

[Teak]

Zach Lavalle of Hill-Murray with 2 assists in the win over STA, 4-2.

If you insist....

Other frosh scoring this night:
Grant Besse 2g 1a as BSM beat St. Louis Park 8-1
T.J. Moore also with 1g in that game.

T.J. Roo picking up 6 points (1g, 5a) in Totino's 11-4 over Robbinsdale Cooper

Little Falls downs River Lakes 6-2 with:
Ben Newman 1g 2a
Luke Majerle 2a
Matt Stumpf 2a

Max Coatta picks up another goal as 'Tonka downs AHA 6-2
Jake Horton retains top spot of the leader board with an assist in Tartan's loss to South St. Paul
Levi Talarico with 1g in Denfeld's 3-1 over Cloquet

Games Played-Goals-Assists

23 points
Jake Horton, Tartan 12-11-12 (#2)
22 points
Grant Besse, Benilde-SM 11-15-7
20 points
Levi Talarico, Duluth Denfeld 13-10-10 (#2)
19 points
Max Coatta, Minnetonka 13-11-8 (#3)
18 points
Tanner Picht, Morris-Benson 10-10-8 (#1)
16 points
T J Roo, Totino-Grace 8-8-8 (#1)
15 points
Hudson Fasching, Apple Valley 10-9-6 (#1)
Ryan Tapani, Providence Academy 12-7-8 (#2)
Garrett Riebling, Holy Family Catholic 9-5-10 (#3)
14 points
Connor Chambers, No Lakes 11-9-5
Kyle Osterberg, Lakeville South 10-3-11 (#1)
12 points
Zach LaValle, Hill-Murray 12-5-7
Nate Mettenburg, Prairie Centre 12-4-8 (#2)

[F14]

Really impressed with the Freshman Levi Talirico tonight and great job by there freshmen goalie Zach Thompson. Two nice players to build around for the Hunters.

[starmvp]

I do not think that Coatta scored last night

[Nobodyonya]

Really impressive numbers from
Horton
Besse
Coatta
Fasching
Osterberg
Lavalle

They all play a big time schedule

Gonna have to agree with you on this one. Even though there are all good players on the list the names mentioned above have a tougher schedule than some of the others and they are producing some nice numbers against top rated teams

[Teak]

I do not think that Coatta scored last night

Yeah, there seems to be a discrepancy.

This link from MnHockeyHub shows him scoring at the 16:43 mark of the first period.
http://www.mnhockeyhub.com/game/show/41 ... ason=16427

If true, he would have 12 goals on the season. BUT, the MnHockeyHub summary shows only 11 goals in 13 games.

I don't know!

[Teak]

Really impressive numbers from
Horton
Besse
Coatta
Fasching
Osterberg
Lavalle

They all play a big time schedule

Gonna have to agree with you on this one. Even though there are all good players on the list the names mentioned above have a tougher schedule than some of the others and they are producing some nice numbers against top rated teams

I know that it is a simple argument, and thus somewhat compelling: freshmen playing against tougher opponents have a harder time putting up the points than those with soft schedules. But there is more to it than that.

One must also consider the teammates that surround those freshmen. Do you think that Coatta would find it easier to put up points playing for Walker/Hackensack/Akeley since they have an easier schedule? I would argue that playing with the top-ranked team makes it easier. Of course, one must be an exceptional freshman to play for the top-ranked team, so maybe this schedule issue is a washout.

Let's not relegate the outstate schools to the dustbin as seems to be done in so many threads. It is all hockey. And most of these players will end their career with high school, so let them enjoy their moment in the spotlight.

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[peno7]

Yes very impressive. Coach smalley has done a great job with the hunters. Freshman Alex Thompson (Zach's twin) did a great job defensively as well.

[heresaymatters]

Here is another way to look at this, rather than total points. Not saying its better, just a different way. Idea is to look at contribution to the team, as measured by percentage of total team points. This may reduce the impact of strong team/weak schedule effect that you get if you just look at individual points.

Based on current numbers on the Hub, and if my math is right, the players listed on this post would rank as follows on this measure (% of total team points):

Picht - Morris Benson (23.3%)
Chambers - No Lakes (17.4%)
Fasching -Apple Valley (17.1%)
Osterberg -Lakeville So. (16.5%)
Talarico -Denfeld (16.4%)
Mettenberg -Prairie Centre (16.2%)
Horton -Tartan (15.9%)
Reibling -Holy Family (15.4%)
Tapani -Providence (13.5%)
Roo -Totino (13.2%)
Besse -Benilde (13.2%)
Coatta -Minnetonka (9.8%)
LaVelle -Hill Murray (7.8%)

[Teak]

Here is another way to look at this, rather than total points. Not saying its better, just a different way. Idea is to look at contribution to the team, as measured by percentage of total team points. This may reduce the impact of strong team/weak schedule effect that you get if you just look at individual points.

Yeah. This may be the metric that allows for comparative importance of any particular player. Good idea.

[hockeyfan893]

[quote="heresaymatters"]Here is another way to look at this, rather than total points. Not saying its better, just a different way. Idea is to look at contribution to the team, as measured by percentage of total team points. This may reduce the impact of strong team/weak schedule effect that you get if you just look at individual points.

Based on current numbers on the Hub, and if my math is right, the players listed on this post would rank as follows on this measure (% of total team points):

Picht - Morris Benson (23.3%)
Chambers - No Lakes (17.4%)
Fasching -Apple Valley (17.1%)
Osterberg -Lakeville So. (16.5%)
Talarico -Denfeld (16.4%)
Mettenberg -Prairie Centre (16.2%)
Horton -Tartan (15.9%)
Reibling -Holy Family (15.4%)
Tapani -Providence (13.5%)
Roo -Totino (13.2%)
Besse -Benilde (13.2%)
Coatta -Minnetonka (9.8%)
LaVelle -Hill Murray (7.8%)[/quote]

Are you figuring what percentage of the team's goals that each freshmen has a point on, or are you figuring percentage of total points, both goals and assists.

It seems to me the best way to look at it is to figure out what percentage of goals each kid has a point on, roughly speaking, seems more accurate in terms of determining how each player produces a benefit?

Just some thoughts,

[Teak]

Are you figuring what percentage of the team's goals that each freshmen has a point on, or are you figuring percentage of total points, both goals and assists.

It seems to me the best way to look at it is to figure out what percentage of goals each kid has a point on, roughly speaking, seems more accurate in terms of determining how each player produces a benefit?

Just some thoughts,

Yeah, I think that that was what heresaymatters was suggesting. If a team has scored 50 goals, and a particular freshman had 20 points, then he factored into 40% of the team's goals.

Going by that metric, Tanner Picht of Morris-Benson is more important to his team than the others. It does not mean he is the best freshman, but the most important to his team on a point basis. It balances out the schedule issue. It does not, however, give info regarding defensive defensemen or goalies.

[Teak]

Early games reporting on Saturday:

Levi Talarico (27%) with 1g 3a in Duluth Denfeld's 5-3 win over Rogers
Hill-Murray downs Tartan 3-0 with Zach Lavalle (25%) picking up 2g and Jake Horton (43%) getting NOTHING.
Morris-Benson over Worthington 7-2; for MoBe:
Tanner Picht 1g (43%)
Luke Schwarz 1g 2a (23%)
Mac Beyer 1a (18%)

The percentages are a player's points divided by the total team goals. In other words, that particular player factors into that percentage of a team's goals.

[Teak]

Benilde-SM downs Spring Lake Park 8-4 with following frosh scoring:
Grant Besse 3g
TJ Moore 1g 1a
Dan Labosky 1g

Prairie Centre 14-2 over Walker
Nate Mettenburg 3g 2a

Mora 5-4 Minneapolis West
Dylan Libra 1g 1a for Mora

Max Coatta gets another goal in 'Tonka's 6-2 over Duluth East

Games Played-Goals-Assists (Factored in % of team goals)
26 points
Grant Besse, Benilde-SM 12-18-8 (36%)
24 points
Levi Talarico, Duluth Denfeld 14-11-13 (27%)
23 points
Jake Horton, Tartan 13-11-12 (43%)
20 points
Max Coatta, Minnetonka 14-12-8 (27%)
19 points
Tanner Picht, Morris-Benson 11-11-8 (43%)
18 points
Hudson Fasching, Apple Valley 12-9-9 (51%)
17 points
Nate Mettenburg, Prairie Centre 16-7-10 (47%)
16 points
T J Roo, Totino-Grace 8-8-8 (39%)
15 points
Ryan Tapani, Providence Academy 13-7-8 (31%)
Garrett Riebling, Holy Family Catholic 12-5-10 (38%)
Kyle Osterberg, Lakeville South 11-3-12 (45%)
14 points
Connor Chambers, No Lakes 11-9-5 (30%)
Zach LaValle, Hill-Murray 13-7-7 (25%)

[toothfairy13]

Freshman Alex Johnson for St.Thomas Academy looks very strong, he is a work horse.

[no-fly-bys]

Watching some of the Varsity freshman. The 3 from Benilde, seem that they are a non factor when playing against quality teams. Some of those high school teams would lose to a quality A bantam team..

Benilde-SM downs Spring Lake Park 8-4 with following frosh scoring:
Grant Besse 3g
TJ Moore 1g 1a
Dan Labosky 1g

Prairie Centre 14-2 over Walker
Nate Mettenburg 3g 2a

Mora 5-4 Minneapolis West
Dylan Libra 1g 1a for Mora

Max Coatta gets another goal in 'Tonka's 6-2 over Duluth East

Games Played-Goals-Assists (Factored in % of team goals)
26 points
Grant Besse, Benilde-SM 12-18-8 (36%)
24 points
Levi Talarico, Duluth Denfeld 14-11-13 (27%)
23 points
Jake Horton, Tartan 13-11-12 (43%)
20 points
Max Coatta, Minnetonka 14-12-8 (27%)
19 points
Tanner Picht, Morris-Benson 11-11-8 (43%)
18 points
Hudson Fasching, Apple Valley 12-9-9 (51%)
17 points
Nate Mettenburg, Prairie Centre 16-7-10 (47%)
16 points
T J Roo, Totino-Grace 8-8-8 (39%)
15 points
Ryan Tapani, Providence Academy 13-7-8 (31%)
Garrett Riebling, Holy Family Catholic 12-5-10 (38%)
Kyle Osterberg, Lakeville South 11-3-12 (45%)
14 points
Connor Chambers, No Lakes 11-9-5 (30%)
Zach LaValle, Hill-Murray 13-7-7 (25%)

[heresaymatters]

Based on these mid-season numbers, looks like the Fasching kid from AV is having a real impact, and against quality opponents.

Haven't seen him play - is he the real deal?

[eastsideguy]

Fasching is definately the real deal, big , strong, and skilled. Also very young for his class, July 95. Some freshman on this list are more than a year older.