2009-10 Scores

[Melvin44]

White Bear Lake 2
South Washington County 2 OT

WOW nice effort by SWC

Second: W-Ness (Lowell, Marcotte), 1:33; W-Bruesele (Hill, Green), 10:25; S-Shaw (Greeley, Moris), 16:46, pp. Third: S-Shaw (K. Falconer), 4:03. Saves: W-Dunnigan 12-9-4-5--30; S-Ahmann 9-11-12-8--40

I think you mean terrible effort by WBL's 2 notorious penalty getters 4- checking penalties. and I think the refs missed a couple.

I was almost cheering for SWC,

Yes, SWC did play their hearts out. It takes heart and team first attitude to win or i guess tie. I wish our 2 girls would realize this. So talented yet so selfish. Someone is going to get seriously hurt.

[jumpstart]

White Bear Lake 2
South Washington County 2 OT

WOW nice effort by SWC

Second: W-Ness (Lowell, Marcotte), 1:33; W-Bruesele (Hill, Green), 10:25; S-Shaw (Greeley, Moris), 16:46, pp. Third: S-Shaw (K. Falconer), 4:03. Saves: W-Dunnigan 12-9-4-5--30; S-Ahmann 9-11-12-8--40

I think you mean terrible effort by WBL's 2 notorious penalty getters 4- checking penalties. and I think the refs missed a couple.

I was almost cheering for SWC,

You were not alone, Melvin. You failed to mention one of them got a 2 + 10. These two girls are a disgrace to the team and to the game of hockey and are a liability every time they step on the ice. What is just as disgraceful is that we are now over halfway through the season and the coach still does not have this under control -- there are no consequences for these two. It is unfair to the rest of the players on the team. I personally am disgusted with the whole thing ...

[joehockey]

It is to bad that the Stats don't highlight penalties in the box scores and totals. WB has great talent.

[Melvin44]

WOW nice effort by SWC

Second: W-Ness (Lowell, Marcotte), 1:33; W-Bruesele (Hill, Green), 10:25; S-Shaw (Greeley, Moris), 16:46, pp. Third: S-Shaw (K. Falconer), 4:03. Saves: W-Dunnigan 12-9-4-5--30; S-Ahmann 9-11-12-8--40

I think you mean terrible effort by WBL's 2 notorious penalty getters 4- checking penalties. and I think the refs missed a couple.

I was almost cheering for SWC,

You were not alone, Melvin. You failed to mention one of them got a 2 + 10. These two girls are a disgrace to the team and to the game of hockey and are a liability every time they step on the ice. What is just as disgraceful is that we are now over halfway through the season and the coach still does not have this under control -- there are no consequences for these two. It is unfair to the rest of the players on the team. I personally am disgusted with the whole thing ...

We can't only blame the coach. He's a second year guy who is trying to bring a special team together. I blame player first, parents second and then coach. These parents truly think their girls are being coached this way and in no way their fault. Unbealivable!

[hockeya1a]

White Bear Lake 2
South Washington County 2 OT

WOW nice effort by SWC

Second: W-Ness (Lowell, Marcotte), 1:33; W-Bruesele (Hill, Green), 10:25; S-Shaw (Greeley, Moris), 16:46, pp. Third: S-Shaw (K. Falconer), 4:03. Saves: W-Dunnigan 12-9-4-5--30; S-Ahmann 9-11-12-8--40

I think you mean terrible effort by WBL's 2 notorious penalty getters 4- checking penalties. and I think the refs missed a couple.

I was almost cheering for SWC,

Yes, SWC did play their hearts out. It takes heart and team first attitude to win or i guess tie. I wish our 2 girls would realize this. So talented yet so selfish. Someone is going to get seriously hurt.

Melvin44 I give you Props for not approving their tactics.

Wow I saw one has over 50 minutes in penalty's , she has more on her own then some teams combined. it is pretty clear that when the team has lost that is when your hit-gal hacks are playing by themselves in the box , Not good!
The unfortunate thing is WBL has some very talented girls and if they could put more effort into playing the puck and not the player they would probably win a few more games. Maybe it is time to have a team meeting with the girls, parents and coaches and AD, before someone gets hurt and then someone files a lawsuit against the school for not doing anything about these girls. Good luck!

[24checking]

Melvin and all. You candid and objective comments are always appreciated and a breath of fresh air on this forum. I have a ton of empathy for you. WBL has a cast of great players, who not only have great hockey skills, but have great character. Unfortunately, these great players are being over shadowed by the couple very cheap, dirty players.
Their play on, as well as away from the puck is appalling. And not needed. Both of these players have skill and talent and WOULD be an asset to WBL if they reigned in their cheap play. If that would happen, WBL is a legitimate threat to win the section and take the state.

Now, if I could be objective about the SWC-WBL game. All goals were scored at full strength. SWC had a scrum in front of the WBL goal that should have resulted in a goal, as well as hitting two pipes, one in the first
and one in the second. WBL also hit a pipe on the second. The score could have been 4-2, SWC at the end of two. Also, as you mentioned the refs did not call a couple additional blantant penalties on WBL in regulation, but chose to call two ticky-tacky tripping penalties in the OT. SWC had to kill off 4 minutes in the OT to survive the tie. All-in-all, a pretty good effort by SWC against the Bears. IMO...

[Melvin44]

Melvin and all. You candid and objective comments are always appreciated and a breath of fresh air on this forum. I have a ton of empathy for you. WBL has a cast of great players, who not only have great hockey skills, but have great character. Unfortunately, these great players are being over shadowed by the couple very cheap, dirty players.
Their play on, as well as away from the puck is appalling. And not needed. Both of these players have skill and talent and WOULD be an asset to WBL if they reigned in their cheap play. If that would happen, WBL is a legitimate threat to win the section and take the state.

Now, if I could be objective about the SWC-WBL game. All goals were scored at full strength. SWC had a scrum in front of the WBL goal that should have resulted in a goal, as well as hitting two pipes, one in the first
and one in the second. WBL also hit a pipe on the second. The score could have been 4-2, SWC at the end of two. Also, as you mentioned the refs did not call a couple additional blantant penalties on WBL in regulation, but chose to call two ticky-tacky tripping penalties in the OT. SWC had to kill off 4 minutes in the OT to survive the tie. All-in-all, a pretty good effort by SWC against the Bears. IMO...

1st goal for SWC was shorthanded with #10 in the box for checking. WBL dressed 21 girls?? and I think took SWC for granted and when WBL's 1st and 2nd lines were on the ice play was in the SW's end of the ice. Like I said SWC played their hearts out and could easily have won. Nice clean team. Congrats.

[Homer]

I think the coaching staff should be held accountable for these girls' play. A trip to jv to clean up their game might go a long way.
That being said, I dont think the coach has the control or an acountability factor on this team. Think to last year, 1, maybe 2 girls skipped a holiday tourney game to play soccer, the girl busted for drugs. this year the cheap play costing games. Time to put the put the hammer down so to speak. Or, is he just keeping everyone happy until he steps aside when his daughter is done at seasons end.
I here rumblings that maybe WBL's best goalie is playing jv. Change in staff and philosophy might do wonders.

[Melvin44]

I know this stuff belongs in another topic. last thing i'll say on the matter. I think.

I belive this will be corrected. Head coach is fine. Goalies are playing better than expected. We're talking about 2 players who are very talented but do some stupid things. Solution is easy Stay out of the box we win....... The players have to want to change or it will never happen!!!!

Hockey is a what's best for the team!

[Hansonbrother]

I think the coaching staff should be held accountable for these girls' play. A trip to jv to clean up their game might go a long way.
That being said, I dont think the coach has the control or an acountability factor on this team. Think to last year, 1, maybe 2 girls skipped a holiday tourney game to play soccer, the girl busted for drugs. this year the cheap play costing games. Time to put the put the hammer down so to speak. Or, is he just keeping everyone happy until he steps aside when his daughter is done at seasons end.
I here rumblings that maybe WBL's best goalie is playing jv. Change in staff and philosophy might do wonders.

Wow, what rumor mill have you been listening to? I feel for Mr. Kwapik, he's trying to win a conference championship, he's got two kids that don't understand what it takes to accomplish that, and he probably has the worst parent scenario to get it done with. (No offense to you Melv) But I've been around the WBL hockey assoc long enough to see what the parents do to the coaching staffs there at all levels and both sexes.

What most of you readers don't understand is this, if Kwapic benches those 2 players, he gets 30 phone calls telling him that he isn't trying to win anymore. Plus, he gets out-coached by the parents of those kids, (by having the parents tell those kids not to listen to the coach anymore). Not only that, he gets berated by the Association and probably threatened by a group of parents who want to see him to lose his job because of this.
Also, if he does bench his top players, he probably loses any chance of a conference championship, his team loses confidence in whether they can win tough games against a top to bottom tough conference.

If he doesn't bench them, the players that have done it right all along look at him like he's afraid to lay the whip, they'll feel that he thinks that they can't win without them, and the worst part about this whole scenario, the rest of the players are forced to pick up the slack and risk injury playing tired because they're short 2 top players. But, he can sleep at night knowing he did the right thing. What a win-win for Jerry.

This is not new to WBL. It was not different for Jon Anderson and I've seen it in the boys program too. WBL is a tough place to coach.

[Gov78]

Final
Edina - 3
Hopkins - 0

I was watching/listening online and didn't catch the final shots but from what I did see it was pretty much Edina from start to finish.

[OntheEdge]

Final
Edina - 3
Hopkins - 0

I was watching/listening online and didn't catch the final shots but from what I did see it was pretty much Edina from start to finish.

I believe the shots were 40-12 in favor of Edina.

[24checking]

South Washington County 3
Red Wing 0

G. S. Falconer A. Morris
G. Weller A. Jacobsen
G. Goff A. Hammer (Empty Net)

[hockeywild7]

Stillwater 8 Forest Lake 3

[State Champ 97]

St. Cloud 1
Bemidji 2
Final

[ClearlyFromWBL]

I think the coaching staff should be held accountable for these girls' play. A trip to jv to clean up their game might go a long way.
That being said, I dont think the coach has the control or an acountability factor on this team. Think to last year, 1, maybe 2 girls skipped a holiday tourney game to play soccer, the girl busted for drugs. this year the cheap play costing games. Time to put the put the hammer down so to speak. Or, is he just keeping everyone happy until he steps aside when his daughter is done at seasons end.
I here rumblings that maybe WBL's best goalie is playing jv. Change in staff and philosophy might do wonders.

Wow, what rumor mill have you been listening to? I feel for Mr. Kwapik, he's trying to win a conference championship, he's got two kids that don't understand what it takes to accomplish that, and he probably has the worst parent scenario to get it done with. (No offense to you Melv) But I've been around the WBL hockey assoc long enough to see what the parents do to the coaching staffs there at all levels and both sexes.

What most of you readers don't understand is this, if Kwapic benches those 2 players, he gets 30 phone calls telling him that he isn't trying to win anymore. Plus, he gets out-coached by the parents of those kids, (by having the parents tell those kids not to listen to the coach anymore). Not only that, he gets berated by the Association and probably threatened by a group of parents who want to see him to lose his job because of this.
Also, if he does bench his top players, he probably loses any chance of a conference championship, his team loses confidence in whether they can win tough games against a top to bottom tough conference.

If he doesn't bench them, the players that have done it right all along look at him like he's afraid to lay the whip, they'll feel that he thinks that they can't win without them, and the worst part about this whole scenario, the rest of the players are forced to pick up the slack and risk injury playing tired because they're short 2 top players. But, he can sleep at night knowing he did the right thing. What a win-win for Jerry.

This is not new to WBL. It was not different for Jon Anderson and I've seen it in the boys program too. WBL is a tough place to coach.

Any youth association that has shown success with groups of players coming up the rank is always going to have difficult parents. Expectations are high. On the boys side there were many youth state tournament teams but not much lately for the HS team (and with not alot of private school departures), the coach IS the problem. Talk to current seniors or graduates that actually play, they cant stand the guy. When the players start hating their coach, they dont play as well. The players only play hard for each other despite the coach. For the girls they lost a fair number of key players to private schools but there is still enough there to compete with the HM, Stillwater, Roseville types. Handling parents is easy, tell them you will only deal with the kids when there are complaints or questions. Then just dont take calls. Coaching in HS is not a democracy, the coach is king and can run the team anyway they want. I want to see them be more "regal" and get control of the team. In section 4 there are too many good teams to worry about seeding, you need two good games (maybe all three) to go to state. Get the problems fixed now at the halfway point. There are more problems than just angry penalties. There are offense oriented D (that dont generate offense) that often leave the team exposed for breakaways and odd man rushes. I think I saw some forwards checking text messages while standing on the blue line waiting for them to skate the puck into the zone. ... Okay that was bitter, sorry. Long time reader, first time poster.

[Hansonbrother]

Roseville 8
Irondale 3

Had it not been for the lovely black and white, this game could've been worse. Irondale got 2 on a 5 on 3, that brought the game back to 3-2 early in the 2nd period. Roseville came back in bunches everytime it was even strength.

[Homer]

Hansonbro, what is worse? losing w/ these 2 kids in the penalty box or losing w/ these kids @ jv.? Send a message. You will never have success if you let parents, players, assoc. etc... govern your decisions as a coach.

Being the coach is never easy, especially in WBL. I like Kwapick, my oldest played for him when we lived in White Bear, long ago. She is a junior in college now. Back when there was u12c.
The rumor mill comes from within your ranks. Parents I see at the rinks.
How many points do the 2 kids have any ways, not many. Hard to score from the box.

[Hansonbrother]

Hansonbro, what is worse? losing w/ these 2 kids in the penalty box or losing w/ these kids @ jv.? Send a message. You will never have success if you let parents, players, assoc. etc... govern your decisions as a coach.

Being the coach is never easy, especially in WBL. I like Kwapick, my oldest played for him when we lived in White Bear, long ago. She is a junior in college now. Back when there was u12c.
The rumor mill comes from within your ranks. Parents I see at the rinks.
How many points do the 2 kids have any ways, not many. Hard to score from the box.

Homer, I'm not disagreeing with you, I was just stating the facts, and the reality of what happens in that association. I've just seen too many good coaches just get pummeled by parents over there. I agree that the message needs to be sent. Its just too bad for the rest of the squad that they have to deal with it, game in game out.

[Homer]

Hansonbro, what is worse? losing w/ these 2 kids in the penalty box or losing w/ these kids @ jv.? Send a message. You will never have success if you let parents, players, assoc. etc... govern your decisions as a coach.

Being the coach is never easy, especially in WBL. I like Kwapick, my oldest played for him when we lived in White Bear, long ago. She is a junior in college now. Back when there was u12c.
The rumor mill comes from within your ranks. Parents I see at the rinks.
How many points do the 2 kids have any ways, not many. Hard to score from the box.

Homer, I'm not disagreeing with you, I was just stating the facts, and the reality of what happens in that association. I've just seen too many good coaches just get pummeled by parents over there. I agree that the message needs to be sent. Its just too bad for the rest of the squad that they have to deal with it, game in game out.

IMO, the association should be completely separate from the high school. I agree the assoc. has screwed some top notch coaches, (Mr. Hill, as an example, leads a team to state and doesnt get his job back)
I recall getting my level 3, put on by the WBL coaches. The Bantam coaches were already prepping to deal w/ squirt parents. LOL.
I have seen Jon Anderson send a senior D to jv to prove a point. When i saw her, she was head and shoulders above everyone else at the jv level. So dont tell me it wouldn't do any good. Most hockey parents are a little nuts, and i think the coaches know that going into a season.
Kwaps is letting the girls do what they want and we all see the results.

[sportsguy29]

Hastings 4, White Bear Lake 4 F/OT

Shots- WBL 40, HAS 36.

-Great Hockey Game, other than the girl from White Bear Lake (not naming names), who flipped her lid, and went nuts...getting kicked out of the Penalty Box by the scorekeepers because she was so unruly, slamming doors, helmets, etc, waving at the Hastings bench... Then she returned near the benches to proceed to jaw-jabber with the Hastings Bench, etc. Never seen that before in girls puck.

Other than that, it was a great hockey game.

[jumpstart]

Hastings 4, White Bear Lake 4 F/OT

Shots- WBL 40, HAS 36.

-Great Hockey Game, other than the girl from White Bear Lake (not naming names), who flipped her lid, and went nuts...getting kicked out of the Penalty Box by the scorekeepers because she was so unruly, slamming doors, helmets, etc, waving at the Hastings bench... Then she returned near the benches to proceed to jaw-jabber with the Hastings Bench, etc. Never seen that before in girls puck.

Other than that, it was a great hockey game.

No need to "name names." Anyone who is familiar with the WBL program knows who you are talking about. There is no place in the game of hockey (boys or girls) for the detestible behavior we witnessed at last night's game. All this player had to do was go to the box after her penalty (which wasn't all that bad) and serve her two minutes. But, no, she had to shoot the puck after the whistle, mouth off to the ref, bang her stick on the glass, slam the door a couple of times, and then mouth off while in the box. She ended up with a double minor, got kicked out by the scorekeeper, and taunted the Hastings fans on her way out. As a WBL parent, I was embarrassed -- my apologies to the Hastings fans. Maybe it's time for the WBL AD to step in ...

On a more positive note, I have to commend Maddie Marcotte for a fabulous defensive play in OT when she stopped a Hastings player from making an open-net shot. It preserved the tie for WBL.

[hockeya1a]

Hastings 4, White Bear Lake 4 F/OT

Shots- WBL 40, HAS 36.

-Great Hockey Game, other than the girl from White Bear Lake (not naming names), who flipped her lid, and went nuts...getting kicked out of the Penalty Box by the scorekeepers because she was so unruly, slamming doors, helmets, etc, waving at the Hastings bench... Then she returned near the benches to proceed to jaw-jabber with the Hastings Bench, etc. Never seen that before in girls puck.

Other than that, it was a great hockey game.

No need to "name names." Anyone who is familiar with the WBL program knows who you are talking about. There is no place in the game of hockey (boys or girls) for the detestible behavior we witnessed at last night's game. All this player had to do was go to the box after her penalty (which wasn't all that bad) and serve her two minutes. But, no, she had to shoot the puck after the whistle, mouth off to the ref, bang her stick on the glass, slam the door a couple of times, and then mouth off while in the box. She ended up with a double minor, got kicked out by the scorekeeper, and taunted the Hastings fans on her way out. As a WBL parent, I was embarrassed -- my apologies to the Hastings fans. Maybe it's time for the WBL AD to step in ...

On a more positive note, I have to commend Maddie Marcotte for a fabulous defensive play in OT when she stopped a Hastings player from making an open-net shot. It preserved the tie for WBL.

Why would there be an open net shot in OT Did they pull the goalie? I would hope not! or was she just out of Position and it was wide open?

[Gov78]

For those that didn't see this in the paper this am.

Tonka - 2
Edina - 0

Now back the WBL family fued

[Just4Fun]

Hastings 4, White Bear Lake 4 F/OT

Shots- WBL 40, HAS 36.

-Great Hockey Game, other than the girl from White Bear Lake (not naming names), who flipped her lid, and went nuts...getting kicked out of the Penalty Box by the scorekeepers because she was so unruly, slamming doors, helmets, etc, waving at the Hastings bench... Then she returned near the benches to proceed to jaw-jabber with the Hastings Bench, etc. Never seen that before in girls puck.

Other than that, it was a great hockey game.

No need to "name names." Anyone who is familiar with the WBL program knows who you are talking about. There is no place in the game of hockey (boys or girls) for the detestible behavior we witnessed at last night's game. All this player had to do was go to the box after her penalty (which wasn't all that bad) and serve her two minutes. But, no, she had to shoot the puck after the whistle, mouth off to the ref, bang her stick on the glass, slam the door a couple of times, and then mouth off while in the box. She ended up with a double minor, got kicked out by the scorekeeper, and taunted the Hastings fans on her way out. As a WBL parent, I was embarrassed -- my apologies to the Hastings fans. Maybe it's time for the WBL AD to step in ...

On a more positive note, I have to commend Maddie Marcotte for a fabulous defensive play in OT when she stopped a Hastings player from making an open-net shot. It preserved the tie for WBL.

Why would there be an open net shot in OT Did they pull the goalie? I would hope not! or was she just out of Position and it was wide open?

Marcotte defended the open netter with about 1 minute left in regulation. Hastings was up 4-3. WBL scored with about 15 seconds left to tie. No scoring in OT. The crabby WBL gal was entertaining...