Top Squirt A Teams and Scores

[surehockey]

Luck of the draw I guess
MV Vs Forest Lake
NSP vs Mahti
Roseville vs Tartan
WBL vs Stillwater

[offside14]

So who are everybody's Fargo favorites?

Championship predictions? which 2 teams?

Personally would love to see a STMA vs Jefferson rematch.

[old goalie85]

FOREST LAKE 4 STILLWATER 2 FOREST LAKE 4 IRONDALE 1

[buzzsaw]

Bemidji Tournament:

Championship: Jefferson over Grand Forks Blues 3-1

3rd Place: Waconia over Grand Rapids 8-1

[takeitwide]

So who are everybody's Fargo favorites?

Championship predictions? which 2 teams?

Personally would love to see a STMA vs Jefferson rematch.

Minnetonka, STMA rematch, Minnetonka wins 3-2, just a prediction.

I would still keep Wayzata in there along with EP. Wayzata scrimmaged STMA early in the year and it was not close Wayzata control the game.

[keep skating]

Wayzata and STMA never scrimmaged. They had a practice together and did skills and full ice drills. STMA assistant coach said they were missing 4 players due to concert at school. That being said both Wayzata and STMA are very good. Good Luck in Fargo

[iwearmysunglassesatnight]

[quote="buzzsaw"]Bemidji Tournament:



3rd Place: Waconia over Grand Rapids 8-1[/quote]


another out of town trny for waconia? duluth earlier, are they not going to fargo? Last year we were allowed 1 out of town, 4 total, up to 35 games.

[yeahyeahyeah]

Bemidji Tournament:



3rd Place: Waconia over Grand Rapids 8-1

another out of town trny for waconia? duluth earlier, are they not going to fargo? Last year we were allowed 1 out of town, 4 total, up to 35 games.

Looks like they were in the Ep tourney too.
Duluth 4 games
Bemidji 5 games
Fargo 5 games
EP 3 games
District tourney ? games (at least 3)
District games 17 games
Scrimmages ? games

I wonder how many times they scrimmaged Stillwater?

[sticksidelow]

Mounds View, I mean YeahYeahYeah, why do you guys feel like you have throw all of these squirt teams under the bus. That's two low blows now!! Who's next? I'm certain you can find more!!

[ThePuckStopsHere]

Bemidji Tournament:



3rd Place: Waconia over Grand Rapids 8-1

another out of town trny for waconia? duluth earlier, are they not going to fargo? Last year we were allowed 1 out of town, 4 total, up to 35 games.

What possibly is your interest in this? Isn't all about the development for you why the concern for how many games another town is playing?

[InigoMontoya]

You have to forgive them; they still think that Minnesota Hockey writes rules that apply to everyone.

[DMom]

You have to forgive them; they still think that Minnesota Hockey writes rules that apply to everyone.

IM, don't spoil the fun, let's change the squirt score thread into a discussion of whether games = development

[yeahyeahyeah]

You have to forgive them; they still think that Minnesota Hockey writes rules that apply to everyone.

Exactly my point, while a majority of coaches follow rules others tend to push the limits, is that fair? IS that right? You are probably right, more teams are out there are out there but I am not going to go search them out. These two cases were brought up on this forum. Once by a parent that seemed to be offended that his team was not being mentioned as "the best" squirt team.

Yes it is about development, fair development. This is not AAA hockey, squirt teams/coaches do not have the right to make up the rules as they go.
One thing I do know is that the 35 game rule is not clear enough across district boundaries. As I understand it, some districts do not count championship rounds or playoff rounds of tournaments or district tournaments. Yet in other districts every time the skate hits the ice against another team, shared practice or officiated, it counts toward the total.
Last summer on this site we learned that Roseau was allowed to not count their district tourney games so they could play in Fargo. Resulting in roughly 41 games for that team. I believe the reason for the ruling was that Roseau was going to boycott the district tournament or something to that effect. I would not have a problem with that at all if all squirt teams got the same luxury. District tourney's are fun for the kids but in some cases they mark the 4th or 5th time same teams will play each other. I think Elliot's ruling was right (controversial and frustrating to some) but that same luxury should have been afforded to all Squirt teams state wide. (Mr. Elliot sorry if I misstated the facts correct me if I am off base)

The easiest thing for a coach to do is to set up a ton of games, the most difficult thing for a coach to do is to follow the 35 game rule.

I do not think these teams should be punished primarily because kids would likely end up suffering through no fault of their own.

[hockeydad7601]

This isn't just about hockey, it is about life lessons as well. What are these coaches telling 9-10 year old kids when they totally disregard the rules? That it is okay if you get away with it. The rule is very clear: 35 events at the squirt level and events include games, scrimmages (controlled or reffed), tournaments and diistrict tournaments. These teams should not be allowed to play in their year end tournaments if they are over their limits and the Districts should pnalize the guilty associations so it doesn't happen again.

[High Off The Glass]

This isn't just about hockey, it is about life lessons as well. What are these coaches telling 9-10 year old kids when they totally disregard the rules? That it is okay if you get away with it. The rule is very clear: 35 events at the squirt level and events include games, scrimmages (controlled or reffed), tournaments and diistrict tournaments. These teams should not be allowed to play in their year end tournaments if they are over their limits and the Districts should pnalize the guilty associations so it doesn't happen again.

It's a stupid rule, but it's a rule on the books, and we should follow it. Instead of spending so much of our time trying to get around it, we should spend that time trying to get rid of it. There has to be a middle ground (game/practice ratio), that we can all agree on.

[yeahyeahyeah]

This isn't just about hockey, it is about life lessons as well. What are these coaches telling 9-10 year old kids when they totally disregard the rules? That it is okay if you get away with it. The rule is very clear: 35 events at the squirt level and events include games, scrimmages (controlled or reffed), tournaments and diistrict tournaments. These teams should not be allowed to play in their year end tournaments if they are over their limits and the Districts should pnalize the guilty associations so it doesn't happen again.

It's a stupid rule, but it's a rule on the books, and we should follow it. Instead of spending so much of our time trying to get around it, we should spend that time trying to get rid of it. There has to be a middle ground (game/practice ratio), that we can all agree on.

Kids cannot be punished for what adults did. I am not even sure scheduling 5 - 6 too many games is reason to kill a coaches reputation.
My thoughts High off the glass, once we settle on what is acceptable another group of coaches/parents will come in wanting something different. The way it is i guess.
However, I think one clear cut easy solution is to take the unknown out of the total Why do we count games like district tourney games or championship rounds of tourneys in the overall. Championship rounds usually games 4 and 5 of tourneys, are unknown. If you play a tourney late in the year and do not get that far but account for those games in your schedule management you will likely not be able to make them up (by scheduling scrimmages)because most teams are already booked to 35.
The District tourney should just be bonus. It is the last event of the year. Cut the game count at the last district or tourney game and let the kids play.

[hockeydad7601]

In my opinion, the kids aren't being punished because they are playing the same amount of games as everyone else. I know of several teams that turned down offers of free tournaments because that would have put them over their game limit. Is it fair to them? I agree that the rule is stupid, but it is a rule and should be followed and enforced.

[sticksidelow]

I agree that it is a rule and it should be followed and enforced when necessary.

What I don't agree with is that someone feels the need to take the time out of their busy day and disect a teams schedule and see if they can find who might be violating the 35 game rule and then calling them out for all of the world to see. That's just cheap. Maybe what you should have done yeahyeahyeah is send a PM to the person you had issue with and said, say you guys appear to be at risk of going over, you might want to consider your options. You didn't have to do what you did and then you did it a second time. I bet you some other teams are taking notice.

Whether the coaches/managers made some bad decisions or they inadvertantly signed up for some tournaments that may have gone five games deep instead of three, can be the difference between 34 - 37 games.

I doubt the teams that are breaking this rule aren't doing so intentionally, but again a rule is a rule and it should be followed. I don't dispute that!

[observer]

How's Roseau doing with their game count this year? Lesson learned?

[GoNorth4Fun]

From what I can tell it appears that Waconia hasn't done anything wrong with their scheduling this season.

They will play in 16 D6 league games.
They will play in 4 tournaments. The number of games in the tournaments was/will be:
Duluth (4)
EP (3)
Bemidji (4)
Fargo (5)

D6 League tournament does not apply towards their game total. Check the D6 rule book below. I'm not sure if that is the case in all districts but that is the ruling in District 6.

10.1 Tournament Participation A maximum of four tournaments within the District 6 season is allowed. Squirt C teams are limited to three tournaments (four tournaments with prior approval of the District 6 Director), with only one out of town tournament (distance set by Association). The District 6 year end Squirt/10U tournament does not count towards tournament limits or does it affect maximum number of games allowed. (see 10.3)


This is Waconia's first season playing an A schedule at any level. I'm sure that they are trying very hard to establish their program playing in a very good District. Their high school team is only in its second season and the program is trying to develop some better numbers at the lower levels.

Most people probably can't find the town on a map or know where they are from. I'm pretty sure they are not a threat to anyone involved with a more established program. But the post about them breaking some rules around number of games played appears to be not true.

[yeahyeahyeah]

D6 League tournament does not apply towards their game total. Check the D6 rule book below. I'm not sure if that is the case in all districts but that is the ruling in District 6.

10.1 Tournament Participation A maximum of four tournaments within the District 6 season is allowed. Squirt C teams are limited to three tournaments (four tournaments with prior approval of the District 6 Director), with only one out of town tournament (distance set by Association). The District 6 year end Squirt/10U tournament does not count towards tournament limits or does it affect maximum number of games allowed. (see 10.3).

And this is the reason the 35 game rule needs to be cleaned up state wide, you are correct other districts do count the District tourney towards the 35 game total. I am however shocked that one district can have different rules than the rest of the state.

[H-E-doublehockeysticks]

I agree that it is a rule and it should be followed and enforced when necessary.

What I don't agree with is that someone feels the need to take the time out of their busy day and disect a teams schedule and see if they can find who might be violating the 35 game rule and then calling them out for all of the world to see. That's just cheap. Maybe what you should have done yeahyeahyeah is send a PM to the person you had issue with and said, say you guys appear to be at risk of going over, you might want to consider your options. You didn't have to do what you did and then you did it a second time. I bet you some other teams are taking notice.

Whether the coaches/managers made some bad decisions or they inadvertantly signed up for some tournaments that may have gone five games deep instead of three, can be the difference between 34 - 37 games.

I doubt the teams that are breaking this rule aren't doing so intentionally, but again a rule is a rule and it should be followed. I don't dispute that!

BULL!!!!!!!

Teams (managers and coaches) know EXACTLY where they stand! Seriously, all you have to do is be able to count (okay, maybe that's a stretch for some of these managers and coaches)! Why is it so hard to comprehend?

Bottom line is that teams need to PLAN ACCORDINGLY! The rules are the rules and they need to be adhered to. If that means signing up for only three tournaments instead of four because of possible extra games then that's what you do - simple as that! End of story.

One other thing sticksidelow - you mentioned that yeahyeahyeah called these teams out - well, YOU didn't have a problem calling yeahyeahyeah out and you are obviously hiding behind a new screen name (2 posts) so I think YOU are the one that needs to know that "other teams are taking notice" as you mentioned in your last quote.

[8691]

I gotta side with HE double on this one. Rules are rules.

It's really not something to get so excited about. If you try to stretch it and have your team play over 35 games (or whatever your district says) and you get caught, you know the penalty. It's just like tripping or hooking a guy on a break away, you know the cost and decide to take the chance anyway. If you get caught...or someone calls you out on the penalty...skate to the box, man up and serve your penalty.

Anyway, anyone have any scores to report to keep this thread on topic?

Maybe it's time to start a new one for scores to purge the anger from the thread?

[observer]

Hey GN4F,

Zero games outside of D6 play?

Remember, there is no such thing as a scrimmage. If there's a ref and a clock it's a game.

I've noticed some teams/associations list them as scrimmages just because they aren't league games. They show games and then scrimmages on their team site. My sister said, "we have a scrimmage with Eagan." Well, I told her, that's a game.

[whocaresjr]

I have been reading this stuff for years now and have never posted, so here it is, this will be my first and last post! Go after me all you want because you know what "WHO CARES" (and by the way I don't blame you all for changing your screen names...nobody wants these bozo's climbing all over your back or creating issues in the rest of our districts)

At this point, I can no longer take any more of the junk YeahYeahYeah and HEdouble are putting out here! These guys goes out and throw two teams under the bus, create issues for two districts (including their own) and then try to look good by saying "don't hurt the kids" and "I don't want to ruin a coaches reputation" ... GIVE ME A BREAK, IF THAT WAS THE CASE YOU WOULD NOT HAVE POSTED WHAT YOU POSTED, IF YOU KNEW WHAT IT WAS ALL ABOUT YOU WOULD HAVE NEVER GONE THERE!

Good luck in getting anyone to scrimmage you next year Mounds View, and I am sure your District 2 buddies (and District 6 for that matter) love you now since I am sure the leadership will have to look at every team in the district now that you are outing individual teams!

The fact is nearly every team listed on this post has 4 tournaments + districts (including Mounds View who also has at least 3 scrimmages noted on here...I am sure none of those count in your book so don't worry about it), the best teams each year go farther in theses tournaments (4 or 5 maybe even 6 games in some of these tournaments) and run themselves into issues...it is a fact not only this year but every year.

The districts cannot get the schedules out early enough so the teams have already scheduled their tournaments OR lose out on opportunities to play in the ones they want BEFORE they know how many district games they will have. As far as I can tell the districts don't give the teams the same amount of games each year so who knows? Some programs may have an A team one year and not the next so the number of games changes. It is not the kids fault, it is not the districts fault, it is not the coaches fault, it is nobodies fault.

So hockey dad, sorry your kids didn't get 35 or more this year (who cares? does it matter?), and for those who did (who cares? does it matter?), good for you, next year your program may be the one who is short due to the way the schedule works out (have any of you ever gone through the pain of scheduling this stuff? probably not!).

Why does anyone care that some team ended up with 1 or 2 too many games because they went far in a tournament (probaby because these guys little johnie boy didn't do as well or go as far)! The fact is it doesn't matter, period! The goal is 35, everyone seems to police themselves and try to get as close to it as possible, period. I am sure all these tournaments are going to love it once the schedules come out and everyone starts dropping tournaments or maybe when a team goes a few extra games in an early tournament and they have to drop one later. Have you oraganized a tournament, that really BLOWS!

So face it YeahYeahYeah, HE and all your Mounds View buddies ... All you all have done is get everyone very nervous about their team getting "caught" by the hockey gods, they all are pulling games off their websites and have stopped posting here. You may as well shut down this string because after this stuff it will be no fun to read!

your friend "WHO CARES"