Mahtomedi @ Hill Murray thursday feb. 4th 8:00

[stpaul]

Nice justification there MN93. You get 3 seconds to hit someone in the head after a pass and quotes from a doctor about previous concusions. Whatever makes you feel better about it. I know what I saw.

[drop the puck]

1st Period
M Jordan UA

2nd Period
H-M Bruski-Faust
M Mars-Zurn-Adams
H-M French-LaValle

3rd Period
H-M Casto UA
M Gregory UA SH
H-M Walsh-Phillippi-Bruchu (Walsh was credited, but Phillippi actually scored the goal)
H-M Faust UA EN

Pioneers lose Becker to what looks like a concussion and Sampair with a major and game for checking from behind

Becker go down before or after the major?

Looking at the play-by-play Sampair took the major penalty for checking from behind at 6:10 into the 2nd period. Before that the number of penalties appear light in the game, was it this major penalty that upped the physical level of the game?

curious who Sampeir hit?

Sampair grew up playing hockey in Mahtomedi and he spent a lot of time with the Juniors and Sophomores on the Zeph squad. Bad blood or just emotions running high in a high intensity game?

[wingman]

It was a non call...and if there were a review committe they would rule Sampair eligible to play--but there isn't...problem was that the s----hit part was out of control because 'tightening' things up by the refs didn't occur when obvious penalties were occuring earlier of the type...elbows to head, sticks to high, interfernce galor, etc. I can't tell you how many times I saw a kid without the puck rushing the net down the slot and the opposing team---well let me put it this way--if it were football there would have been 100 yards in holding penalties. This along with other missed infractions I believe led up to the refs making a horse**** call on a kid that was doing nothing more than catching a very fast skater turning away from the hit, towards the boards, without room to slide through. That my friend was a call if called by the rules, should never be called---but it was Marshall, the game was out of hand (Becker hit, etc.) and the refs decided to come down hard, and actually way too hard. a 2 minute penalty was at the worst all that needed to be called, and even that is a strech. Hey you ever play on the range, you know you just got to adjust to the way the game is being called and played, don't complain and sadly do the time if your called. I shouldn't pick on the range, my point being they call it different everywhere. Again great game to watch.

[Buck50]

1st Period

Pioneers lose Becker to what looks like a concussion and Sampair with a major and game for checking from behind

Becker go down before or after the major?

Looking at the play-by-play Sampair took the major penalty for checking from behind at 6:10 into the 2nd period. Before that the number of penalties appear light in the game, was it this major penalty that upped the physical level of the game?

curious who Sampeir hit?

Sampair grew up playing hockey in Mahtomedi and he spent a lot of time with the Juniors and Sophomores on the Zeph squad. Bad blood or just emotions running high in a high intensity game?

He hit Marshall and it was ugly.

The hit at center ice was also ugly and well after the puck was gone.

The check from behind would not have been a 5 if it wasn't and didn't look so intentional and dangerous. Some people above a way off the mark on these 2 hits

A couple bad plays, both very cheep, both dangerous, lucky only one kid went to the hospital.... To top it all off there were alot of other leg trips, slashes and sticks up....kind of an old time grudge match, with more than a few dangerous plays.



Hope the Hill kid is OK.

[Buck50]

It was a non call...and if there were a review committe they would rule Sampair eligible to play--but there isn't...problem was that the s----hit part was out of control because 'tightening' things up by the refs didn't occur when obvious penalties were occuring earlier of the type...elbows to head, sticks to high, interfernce galor, etc. I can't tell you how many times I saw a kid without the puck rushing the net down the slot and the opposing team---well let me put it this way--if it were football there would have been 100 yards in holding penalties. This along with other missed infractions I believe led up to the refs making a horse**** call on a kid that was doing nothing more than catching a very fast skater turning away from the hit, towards the boards, without room to slide through. That my friend was a call if called by the rules, should never be called---but it was Marshall, the game was out of hand (Becker hit, etc.) and the refs decided to come down hard, and actually way too hard. a 2 minute penalty was at the worst all that needed to be called, and even that is a strech. Hey you ever play on the range, you know you just got to adjust to the way the game is being called and played, don't complain and sadly do the time if your called. I shouldn't pick on the range, my point being they call it different everywhere. Again great game to watch.

I saw two very bad, cheep, dirty hits, one for each team. The refs only caught one because the puck was gone for so long from Beckers stick, no one was looking at him. The rest was a bunch of stuff that happens every game and sometimes is called and sometimes not.

Both hits deserved to be penalized. Luckly Marshall doesn't have a broken neck. Hopefully Becker is OK.

[wingman]

Buck 50--ugly-I don't believe you know ugly. But thats how rumors get spread. Ugly is intentional--try to tell me that was intentional, and I'll bet you were not at the game. The intensity of ugly goes up 200% after the Becker hit. The sensitiviity of the refs do too! Thats the point...But go ahead and spread it on thick...whew it smells in here...

[stpaul]

Heard from a reliable source that Kevin Becker does have a concussion. He will not play Saturday and may not play next week. He will be OK though. Also that it was indeed an elbow to the head. There's no way you can say that the elbow blow to the head from the chin up in open ice is not intentional.

[wingman]

And yes I do agree as I'm sure we all do--Becker hopefully is Ok, and Marshall didn't get hurt...that is the most important thing...and I know we are all happy when no one gets hurt....It can sometimes be inevitable due to the nature of the game and the speed that is out there some one can get hurt...but spreading **** that the hits were cheep, dirty, etc... I know both boys very well, no there was no intent...just people like you trying to make intent...

[Buck50]

Buck 50--ugly-I don't believe you know ugly. But thats how rumors get spread. Ugly is intentional--try to tell me that was intentional, and I'll bet you were not at the game. The intensity of ugly goes up 200% after the Becker hit. The sensitiviity of the refs do too! Thats the point...But go ahead and spread it on thick...whew it smells in here...

Actually I was at the game. You seem a little sensitive. If refs were so sensitive why didn't they call all the penalties you were talking about earlier. I suppose you can't be objective and say there were two ugly hits in the game....oh well there were plenty of other people there to see what happened. It's always tough when your team gets hit with a cheap shot then gets caught in retaliation. Go back and re-read with some objectivity.

[DmanDad1980]

Holding, hook, trip... Not in a game involving Hill...?

Couldn't be...

[wingman]

Buck 50---marshall was turning at the last second, into and creating the hit. That has been varified by a source close to a team that watched the video. also what was varified in the video was the Mahtomedi boy raised his elbow and caught Becker with a hard one. Hey Buck 50 is that objective enough---no not for you cause rumor mongoring is your objectivity. Bottom line as I said before, neither boy had the intent and were NOT trying to be malicous. They don't even know how to play that way if they wanted to. But Buck 50 I'll bet my old tennis shoes that you've never seen a minor league game, a real cheap game, I mean an ugly game and I can almost guarantee you've never played one---or you would know the difference. Last nights game was a hard fought, a little out of hand, fun game to watch. The most passive ugly games I've played in, make last nights game look like a grade school dance party. I only get goonie (sensitive) when smack talkin rumor mongors like you pick on kids...You don't have a reason to spread that ****...so why don't you stop OH I just realized--you are the sensitive irrational one.....sounds like a sore loser to me possible Mahtomedi parent I'm sure...Hey be proud of the way those Medi kids played..they got game.

[njmarshall20]

It was a non call...and if there were a review committe they would rule Sampair eligible to play--but there isn't...problem was that the s----hit part was out of control because 'tightening' things up by the refs didn't occur when obvious penalties were occuring earlier of the type...elbows to head, sticks to high, interfernce galor, etc. I can't tell you how many times I saw a kid without the puck rushing the net down the slot and the opposing team---well let me put it this way--if it were football there would have been 100 yards in holding penalties. This along with other missed infractions I believe led up to the refs making a horse**** call on a kid that was doing nothing more than catching a very fast skater turning away from the hit, towards the boards, without room to slide through. That my friend was a call if called by the rules, should never be called---but it was Marshall, the game was out of hand (Becker hit, etc.) and the refs decided to come down hard, and actually way too hard. a 2 minute penalty was at the worst all that needed to be called, and even that is a strech. Hey you ever play on the range, you know you just got to adjust to the way the game is being called and played, don't complain and sadly do the time if your called. I shouldn't pick on the range, my point being they call it different everywhere. Again great game to watch.

You my friend, are an idiot. Good luck to you.

[pioneers]

1st Period
M Jordan UA

2nd Period
H-M Bruski-Faust
M Mars-Zurn-Adams
H-M French-LaValle

3rd Period
H-M Casto UA
M Gregory UA SH
H-M Walsh-Phillippi-Bruchu (Walsh was credited, but Phillippi actually scored the goal)
H-M Faust UA EN

Pioneers lose Becker to what looks like a concussion and Sampair with a major and game for checking from behind

Becker go down before or after the major?

Looking at the play-by-play Sampair took the major penalty for checking from behind at 6:10 into the 2nd period. Before that the number of penalties appear light in the game, was it this major penalty that upped the physical level of the game?

curious who Sampeir hit?

Sampair grew up playing hockey in Mahtomedi and he spent a lot of time with the Juniors and Sophomores on the Zeph squad. Bad blood or just emotions running high in a high intensity game?

The Becker hit was in the first period befor the Sampair penalty

[HShockeywatcher]

Buck 50---marshall was turning at the last second, into and creating the hit. That has been varified by a source close to a team that watched the video. also what was varified in the video was the Mahtomedi boy raised his elbow and caught Becker with a hard one. Hey Buck 50 is that objective enough---no not for you cause rumor mongoring is your objectivity. Bottom line as I said before, neither boy had the intent and were NOT trying to be malicous. They don't even know how to play that way if they wanted to. But Buck 50 I'll bet my old tennis shoes that you've never seen a minor league game, a real cheap game, I mean an ugly game and I can almost guarantee you've never played one---or you would know the difference. Last nights game was a hard fought, a little out of hand, fun game to watch. The most passive ugly games I've played in, make last nights game look like a grade school dance party. I only get goonie (sensitive) when smack talkin rumor mongors like you pick on kids...You don't have a reason to spread that ****...so why don't you stop OH I just realized--you are the sensitive irrational one.....sounds like a sore loser to me possible Mahtomedi parent I'm sure...Hey be proud of the way those Medi kids played..they got game.

The point is what the intent was? Really? I would say the point is that a kid is in the hospital because he was hit in a situation that from a tactical stance doesn't even make sense. The issue is as follows:

Hence that is why the kids are taught that you have up to 3 seconds to check an opponent after the puck leaves their stick.

Unless you are a goon (yes, I love watching Boogey play, just as much as the next guy), if you are a talented player, there is no (fine, very little) reason to be checking a player who doesn't have the puck. Yes, you are taking the other player out of the play, but you are also taking yourself out. If your reason for being on the ice is to take out another player and this is what we're teaching kids at an early age, that is an issue. Unless you are Joe Schmoe and on the ice with a top D1 recruit, this shouldn't be your goal. Even then you should be trying to produce, not prevent.

Find excuses that justify players checking, and ultimately injuring, players in situations they shouldn't be checked in the first place is simply idiotic.

[fanatichockeyguy]

Thought the hit on Becker was pretty late. The kid definitely threw an elbow at him, It was worthy of a penalty. Then Sampair hits Marshall becuase he turns on him, Marshall lays on the ice and Sampair gets tossed, that was some B.S. If Sampair gets the boot for that, then the kid who hit Becker should get the boot too just because of the injury. If Marshall dosnt lay on the ice for a minute no one gets tossed.

Also how about Bruchu's hit. The initial check leaves the kid balancing like a teeter totter on the boards, then Bruchu just tosses him like a salad over the wall. I mean literally just sent him flying head over heels into the bench. Gotta respect the kid though for gettin nasty when his team needed a boost. After that play the Hill fans were goin crazy and they got momentum. One big hit just led to another its a good thing only one guy got hurt in that game.

Overall one of the best games of the year. Ups and Downs, lots of emotion. Good ol fashion dog fight.

[Buck50]

Buck 50---marshall was turning at the last second, into and creating the hit. That has been varified by a source close to a team that watched the video. also what was varified in the video was the Mahtomedi boy raised his elbow and caught Becker with a hard one. Hey Buck 50 is that objective enough---no not for you cause rumor mongoring is your objectivity. Bottom line as I said before, neither boy had the intent and were NOT trying to be malicous. They don't even know how to play that way if they wanted to. But Buck 50 I'll bet my old tennis shoes that you've never seen a minor league game, a real cheap game, I mean an ugly game and I can almost guarantee you've never played one---or you would know the difference. Last nights game was a hard fought, a little out of hand, fun game to watch. The most passive ugly games I've played in, make last nights game look like a grade school dance party. I only get goonie (sensitive) when smack talkin rumor mongors like you pick on kids...You don't have a reason to spread that ****...so why don't you stop OH I just realized--you are the sensitive irrational one.....sounds like a sore loser to me possible Mahtomedi parent I'm sure...Hey be proud of the way those Medi kids played..they got game.

Wingman, I think we are talking about HS Hockey in Minnesota...not some goon league the you played in....big deal....Oooohhh. Thats like saying both hits would have been good if this were the UFC. Come on...Just an observation or I guess we can't say anything about a couple hits in a game that both kids may have learned a little something from...and probably won't do again. Good win for Hill. Glad Becker will be OK.

[cjam85]

Was at the game. Hit on Becker was late, cheap, unneccessary and disgusting. Knew he was hurt bad before he even hit the ice.

Marshall turned at the last second, nothing Sampair could have done to avoid it. Marshall is a good actor.

I'm from Mahtomedi. Been hearing about and reading about how good Benny Marshall is. Finally get to a game to see him play. Very disappointing. I wonder how bruised Marshall's elbows are from all the HM players that "ran into" them as he skated by.

I don't remember MHS being so cheap when I went to school there. Times have changed I guess. Embarrassing.