2AA and 6AA seedings

[blueblood]

Current seeding projections:

2AA
1) Jefferson
2) Burnsville
3) Edina
4) AHA
5) Chaska

Top 3 spots for 2AA still in flux. AHA will end up 4th. Burnsville is my pick to win this section.

6AA
1) Tonka
2) Wayzata
3) EP
4) Benilde
5) Hopkins

With EP losing to the Blaze this week, the only question left is who will be #1 btwn Wayzata and Tonka.

[buddish4mrhockey]

2AA
1) JEFF
2) EDINA
3) Burns
4) Holy Stars

Jeff/Burns or Holy Stars/Burns for section final

6AA
1) MTKA-win final meeting against trojans
2) Wayzata
3) Ep
4) BSM

MTKA vs Wayzata section final... Trojans win

[Doc Holliday]

BUMP

After last night's results, is anything changed in terms of seeding? What if Wayzata beats Tonka upcoming? Is the gap between Tonka & everyone else in 6AA too great already?

And Edina....do they get #1 consideration considering who they've lost to.

Just tossing it out there......discussion time.

[karl(east)]

BUMP

After last night's results, is anything changed in terms of seeding? What if Wayzata beats Tonka upcoming? Is the gap between Tonka & everyone else in 6AA too great already?

And Edina....do they get #1 consideration considering who they've lost to.

Just tossing it out there......discussion time.

If Wayzata beats Tonka, they should get the 1 seed. They'd be 1-0-1 against Tonka with the same record and a comparable schedule.

And I'd say yes, Edina deserves consideration for the 1-seed.

[seek & destroy]

BUMP

After last night's results, is anything changed in terms of seeding? What if Wayzata beats Tonka upcoming? Is the gap between Tonka & everyone else in 6AA too great already?

And Edina....do they get #1 consideration considering who they've lost to.

Just tossing it out there......discussion time.

If Wayzata beats Tonka, they should get the 1 seed. They'd be 1-0-1 against Tonka with the same record and a comparable schedule.

And I'd say yes, Edina deserves consideration for the 1-seed.

Last night likely changed the seeds. With their victory over Minnetonka (and Jeffersons loss to EP) and IF Edina finishes out strong I think they end up #1 seed. Holy Angels is the probable #4 seed leaving Jefferson and Burnsville to figure out who is #2 and #3. That will be decided in their final game of the regular season at BIG.

In 6AA, if Wayzata beats Tonka, I would say they deserve the #1 seed but it needs to be a convincing win. EP has certainly put up a battle to be looked at too but unless there is a major slip by either Wayzata or Tonka, EP is #3 with BSM #4.

No matter what happens, it is going to be a great night of hockey when the section finals are played at Target Center for these two sections.

[blueblood]

Updated 2AA:
1) Edina
2) Jefferson
3) Burnsville
4) AHA

Updated 6AA:
1) Wayzata
2) Tonka
3) EP
4) Benilde

[Lakeviewing]

"Come on man", 6AA, EP winning the Lake. It is:
1) Tonka, given their wins and teams played
2) EP, winning the Lake Conference has to give some credability.
3) Wayzata, besides Edina, Tonka and Hopkins in conference.
4) Benilde, sorry, poor conference schedule. Play someone.

Top four teams will get one home game against lower teams. Bottom line who wins at Big/Edina and final section at the Marriucci. Tonka beats Benilde and EP wins a close game against Wayzata. I have Tonka vs EP battle to state.

2AA, I can't dis-agree. Burnsville has made a run with a very good goalie that might steal a game somewhere here. Edina get ice choice being the top seed. AHA is looking into playing and has to gear their game at a higher level teams. Jefferson needs to bring its "A" game here and out score their opponents. I like Edina over Jefferson here.

Updated 2AA:
1) Edina
2) Jefferson
3) Burnsville
4) AHA

Updated 6AA:
1) Wayzata
2) Tonka
3) EP
4) Benilde

[Slap Shot]

"Come on man", 6AA, EP winning the Lake. It is:
1) Tonka, given their wins and teams played
2) EP, winning the Lake Conference has to give some credability.
3) Wayzata, besides Edina, Tonka and Hopkins in conference.
4) Benilde, sorry, poor conference schedule. Play someone.

Wayzata gets the 1 or 2 - two many losses by EP so far.

[blueblood]

Sorry lakeguy, like slap shot said, too many losses for the #2 seed. It doesn't make much difference (except jersey color) as your playing the same team in the semifinals whether your the 2 or the 3.

[gitter]

Sorry lakeguy, like slap shot said, too many losses for the #2 seed. It doesn't make much difference (except jersey color) as your playing the same team in the semifinals whether your the 2 or the 3.

Correct on Wayzata being ahead of EP at this point.

Incorrect on it not making a difference. Last change for the "home" team can turn out to be the deciding factor in games like this. If you've ever played hockey at the Varsity level or beyond, you know how important line matching is.

[Lakeviewing]

Sorry lakeguy, like slap shot said, too many losses for the #2 seed. It doesn't make much difference (except jersey color) as your playing the same team in the semifinals whether your the 2 or the 3.

Correct on Wayzata being ahead of EP at this point.

Incorrect on it not making a difference. Last change for the "home" team can turn out to be the deciding factor in games like this. If you've ever played hockey at the Varsity level or beyond, you know how important line matching is.

[blueblood]

Gitter and Lakeviewwing - I don't agree:

Line matching is mnimized by the ref putting his hand in the air inforning teams that they can change lines during a stoppage of play.

The home team used to be able to wait to make the last change. Those days are gone. The refs can stop the late line changes and send plyers back to the bench.

Coaches at this level will have their top line and D out for the defensive zone face-offs.

[shakey]

Gitter and Lakeviewwing - I don't agree:

Line matching is mnimized by the ref putting his hand in the air inforning teams that they can change lines during a stoppage of play.

The home team used to be able to wait to make the last change. Those days are gone. The refs can stop the late line changes and send plyers back to the bench.

Coaches at this level will have their top line and D out for the defensive zone face-offs.

Watch how it works. Ref stops visiting bench first. If home bench is patient and coach is on top of it, they should be able to match up.

[Doglover]

I agree with shakey. The coaches just have to be on top of it right away. It's the ones that wait too long that get waved back. It can be a huge advantage but some coaches are too dense to use it. I'm always amazed when you see a 1st line out against a 3rd-4th line with a couple minutes left in a period or worse yet, a game. You can just see it coming. Not sure if it's ignorance or what? Just bad coaching. Gotta be just frustrating as h#@@ for the players.

[shakey]

Here are the 6AA seedings...

1. Minnetonka
2. Wayzata
3. Eden Prairie
4. Benilde St. Margarets
5. Hopkins
6. Armstrong
7. Mpls East
8. Cooper
9. Mpls West

[HShockeywatcher]

Pretty sure I'm in the minority here; Edina beats Burnsville, Burnsville ties and beats Jefferson and Holy Angels ties Edina. Looking at head to head games it seems pretty cut and dry to me. Although I think all three teams should cancel a game or two from their schedules and pick up games with the teams they don't currently have on their schedule next year.

2AA
1) Edina
2) Holy Angels
3) Burnsville
4) Jefferson

This section is not so cut and dry.
-Minnetonka has beaten 3 of the 4 teams below them and tied the other, clearly the top seed. After them, things get confusing.
Of the top 5 teams, Benilde has only played Wayzata and Eden Prairie has only played Minnetonka. While there is mutual fault in play when two teams don't play each other, those should be the games used to determine seeds, unless there are no mutual games at all.
-Many have Wayzata at #2...but they lost to Benilde on neutral ice. If Wayzata is that good and Benilde beat them, well, Benilde must be that good too.
-Next I have Wayzata. While they have not played Eden Praire, they beat a good Edina team (3 teams), a team who beat Eden Prairie.
-Why Eden Prairie scheduled Hermantown instead of a section opponent is beyond me. While they lost to Tonka by only 1, the Eagles are the ONLY team in the section without a section win.
-Hopkins played Wayzata good twice, including an OT loss. Any group of kids who overlooks their match up with this team will probably come up short.

6AA
1) Minnetonka
2) Benilde
3) Wayzata
4) Eden Prairie
5) Hopkins

While I doubt either of these sections will end up like this, and I do understand the reasons for putting them differently, considering the head to head match ups, I don't agree with them ending up any other way.

[seek & destroy]

Edina #1
BV #2
Jefferson #3
AHA #4
Chaska Chan #5
Prior Lake #6
Shakopee #7
Kennedy #8

Edina vs Kennedy winner vs winner of Holy Angels vs. Chaska/Chan

Burnsville vs. Shakopee winner vs winner of Jefferson vs. Prior Lake

[karl(east)]

Pretty sure I'm in the minority here; Edina beats Burnsville, Burnsville ties and beats Jefferson and Holy Angels ties Edina. Looking at head to head games it seems pretty cut and dry to me. Although I think all three teams should cancel a game or two from their schedules and pick up games with the teams they don't currently have on their schedule next year.

2AA
1) Edina
2) Holy Angels
3) Burnsville
4) Jefferson

This section is not so cut and dry.
-Minnetonka has beaten 3 of the 4 teams below them and tied the other, clearly the top seed. After them, things get confusing.
Of the top 5 teams, Benilde has only played Wayzata and Eden Prairie has only played Minnetonka. While there is mutual fault in play when two teams don't play each other, those should be the games used to determine seeds, unless there are no mutual games at all.
-Many have Wayzata at #2...but they lost to Benilde on neutral ice. If Wayzata is that good and Benilde beat them, well, Benilde must be that good too.
-Next I have Wayzata. While they have not played Eden Praire, they beat a good Edina team (3 teams), a team who beat Eden Prairie.
-Why Eden Prairie scheduled Hermantown instead of a section opponent is beyond me. While they lost to Tonka by only 1, the Eagles are the ONLY team in the section without a section win.
-Hopkins played Wayzata good twice, including an OT loss. Any group of kids who overlooks their match up with this team will probably come up short.

6AA
1) Minnetonka
2) Benilde
3) Wayzata
4) Eden Prairie
5) Hopkins

While I doubt either of these sections will end up like this, and I do understand the reasons for putting them differently, considering the head to head match ups, I don't agree with them ending up any other way.

The real seeds are out, but just a few comments:
-Though I prefer the real way/the way I had it, I won't dispute your 2AA logic. 6AA, on the other hand, I don't get. If you're going so strictly by common opponents, Benilde should be the 1-seed; they beat Wayzata, and Tonka only tied Wayzata. But I think we can all agree Benilde does not deserve the 1-seed; we need to look beyond what's done in the section, especially when a team only plays one game against the section. And Benilde has a worse record than Tonka or Wayzata against a much easier schedule.
-EP scheduled Hermantown because Hermantown invited them to play them outside on Hockey Day in Minnesota.

[K Dope]

Pretty sure I'm in the minority here; Edina beats Burnsville, Burnsville ties and beats Jefferson and Holy Angels ties Edina. Looking at head to head games it seems pretty cut and dry to me. Although I think all three teams should cancel a game or two from their schedules and pick up games with the teams they don't currently have on their schedule next year.

2AA
1) Edina
2) Holy Angels
3) Burnsville
4) Jefferson

This section is not so cut and dry.
-Minnetonka has beaten 3 of the 4 teams below them and tied the other, clearly the top seed. After them, things get confusing.
Of the top 5 teams, Benilde has only played Wayzata and Eden Prairie has only played Minnetonka. While there is mutual fault in play when two teams don't play each other, those should be the games used to determine seeds, unless there are no mutual games at all.
-Many have Wayzata at #2...but they lost to Benilde on neutral ice. If Wayzata is that good and Benilde beat them, well, Benilde must be that good too.
-Next I have Wayzata. While they have not played Eden Praire, they beat a good Edina team (3 teams), a team who beat Eden Prairie.
-Why Eden Prairie scheduled Hermantown instead of a section opponent is beyond me. While they lost to Tonka by only 1, the Eagles are the ONLY team in the section without a section win.
-Hopkins played Wayzata good twice, including an OT loss. Any group of kids who overlooks their match up with this team will probably come up short.

6AA
1) Minnetonka
2) Benilde
3) Wayzata
4) Eden Prairie
5) Hopkins

While I doubt either of these sections will end up like this, and I do understand the reasons for putting them differently, considering the head to head match ups, I don't agree with them ending up any other way.

Benilde beat Wayzata at SLP, their home rink. Regardless of which sheet is was on, Benilde practices on both. Wayzata is the Classic Lake Conference Champion with Tonka finishing runner-up (Tonka fans like to downplay this) and Edina in third. Yet both Edina and Tonka (with a lot of victories over weak 1A opponents) get #1 seeds.

All 6AA teams need to watch out for Alex Fonz and Hopkins.

Karl - great job all season.

[HShockeywatcher]

The real seeds are out, but just a few comments:
-Though I prefer the real way/the way I had it, I won't dispute your 2AA logic. 6AA, on the other hand, I don't get. If you're going so strictly by common opponents, Benilde should be the 1-seed; they beat Wayzata, and Tonka only tied Wayzata. But I think we can all agree Benilde does not deserve the 1-seed; we need to look beyond what's done in the section, especially when a team only plays one game against the section. And Benilde has a worse record than Tonka or Wayzata against a much easier schedule.
-EP scheduled Hermantown because Hermantown invited them to play them outside on Hockey Day in Minnesota.

Yeah, I saw they were. I started this before Church and finished when I got home.

1. I think it depends on what you want, the teams in the order of the best to worst or the teams in order of how they did against each other. The first there can usually be more debate with. The 2nd usually less...if teams play their section opponents.

a. Having a team at #4 when they didn't play the #2/3 teams and tied the #1 team makes little to no sense.

b. Yes, I agree that it's tough. I used the fact that Tonka has no losses but has also beat my #3, #4 and #5 teams. That being said, Benilde has 10 non-conference, non-tournament, non-section games on their schedule. To tell me that none of Tonka, Hopkins nor Eden Prairie would accept a game from them is bologna.

2. Oooo, hockey day minnesota outside. Big deal. While it worked out fine for them, scheduling them Wayzata or Tonka again and winning that game would probably put them at #1, or at least #2.
Beating the Hawks was expected, losing would've hurt badly.

[karl(east)]

I guess I don't particularly care if teams have scheduled certain teams or not. It's obnoxious from a ranking standpoint when they don't play each other, I agree. But I'm not going to hold it against anyone, except for when the system inherently hurts a team for a weak schedule.

Oooo, hockey day minnesota outside. Big deal. While it worked out fine for them, scheduling them Wayzata or Tonka again and winning that game would probably put them at #1, or at least #2.
Beating the Hawks was expected, losing would've hurt badly.

You sound like a great East fan when you say this.

[shakey]

I guess I don't particularly care if teams have scheduled certain teams or not. It's obnoxious from a ranking standpoint when they don't play each other, I agree. But I'm not going to hold it against anyone, except for when the system inherently hurts a team for a weak schedule.

Oooo, hockey day minnesota outside. Big deal. While it worked out fine for them, scheduling them Wayzata or Tonka again and winning that game would probably put them at #1, or at least #2.
Beating the Hawks was expected, losing would've hurt badly.

You sound like a great East fan when you say this.

Sounds more like an idiot to me (supported by his 6AA rankings and overall "body of work"). By the way, EP did play Tonka.

[Factsmatter1]

Pretty sure I'm in the minority here; Edina beats Burnsville, Burnsville ties and beats Jefferson and Holy Angels ties Edina. Looking at head to head games it seems pretty cut and dry to me. Although I think all three teams should cancel a game or two from their schedules and pick up games with the teams they don't currently have on their schedule next year.

2AA
1) Edina
2) Holy Angels
3) Burnsville
4) Jefferson

This section is not so cut and dry.
-Minnetonka has beaten 3 of the 4 teams below them and tied the other, clearly the top seed. After them, things get confusing.
Of the top 5 teams, Benilde has only played Wayzata and Eden Prairie has only played Minnetonka. While there is mutual fault in play when two teams don't play each other, those should be the games used to determine seeds, unless there are no mutual games at all.
-Many have Wayzata at #2...but they lost to Benilde on neutral ice. If Wayzata is that good and Benilde beat them, well, Benilde must be that good too.
-Next I have Wayzata. While they have not played Eden Praire, they beat a good Edina team (3 teams), a team who beat Eden Prairie.
-Why Eden Prairie scheduled Hermantown instead of a section opponent is beyond me. While they lost to Tonka by only 1, the Eagles are the ONLY team in the section without a section win.
-Hopkins played Wayzata good twice, including an OT loss. Any group of kids who overlooks their match up with this team will probably come up short.

6AA
1) Minnetonka
2) Benilde
3) Wayzata
4) Eden Prairie
5) Hopkins

While I doubt either of these sections will end up like this, and I do understand the reasons for putting them differently, considering the head to head match ups, I don't agree with them ending up any other way.

Benilde beat Wayzata at SLP, their home rink. Regardless of which sheet is was on, Benilde practices on both. Wayzata is the Classic Lake Conference Champion with Tonka finishing runner-up (Tonka fans like to downplay this) and Edina in third. Yet both Edina and Tonka (with a lot of victories over weak 1A opponents) get #1 seeds.

All 6AA teams need to watch out for Alex Fonz and Hopkins.

Karl - great job all season.

Come on K Dope ...100 out of 100 people would agree that Tonka and Edina play a tougher schedule than Wayzata... so drop the homer logic... Just look at any of the quantitative ranking services SOS (strength of schedule stats). The conference Championship means nothing in sections and it shouldn't for exactly the reason it turned out this year in CLC... it tells a very incomplete story and the coaches know that. Tonka is the best team in the state through regular season and the whole state agrees except you and other Trojan homers. The best anyone has done all year is steal a game at Braemar and tie them in Pagel. Not a very convincing case from a team who lost to Benilde and Jefferson, tied Osseo and and was lucky to leave Pagel with a tie. I hope you would at least agree that the state tourney is a whole new deal.... IMHO the winner will be the team who shows up with the hottest goal tender and the best coach and kids who play hungry... It wouldn't surprise me if anypone in the 6AA top 5 win the section...

[K Dope]

Ok. It will all be decided soon. Watch out for Hopkins.

[Trojanhorse]

6AA Its Official:

1. Tonka
2. Wayzata
3. Eden Prairie
4. Benilde
5. Hopkins