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DannyCalifornia
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Post by DannyCalifornia »

Agree with Elliott, my only issue is that he was still playing his TOP guys in the 3rd period with 8 minutes left, his kid wasn't having a good enough nt with 6 points, had to get that 7th? C'mon that's dumb for multiple reasons. Are you trying to tell me their isn't some 3rd or 4th liners that could play? If they pass it around and score so be it, but put down the 1st 2 lines coach. :oops:
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Post by bender0905 »

My hat goes off to the Silver Bay kids for not running/fighting the kids from Virginia...

There's no excuse for a 22-0 game. I understand that it's sections and it's time to ramp up and play your best hockey the entire game but when you are up 9 or 10 to nothing it's time to focus on other areas. No one said teams cannot focus on systems and special teams when they're up by that much just because you're afraid that if you let up your team won't play well the next game. At that point, it's time to work on your defensive zone and breaking out, once you break out get to the red and dump it in, then you run a 1-2-2 soft. Focus on certain areas for certain amounts of time. Example, work on neutral zone defense/offense for five minutes then focus on your defensive zone again and breaking it out. After all, for those of you so concerned about teams letting up during section time, defense wins championships and offense merley sells the tickets. So why not focus on the aspect which is the most important?
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Post by EREmpireStrikesBack »

HShockeywatcher wrote:
DotaDangler wrote:I think there should be a 10 goal mercy rule past the second period.
I disagree. The kids, on both teams deserve to play; they suited up, let them play. In my opinion, the AD should fire a coach on the spot and tell the JV coach to work on situations.

Sure, if they are playing Marshall tomorrow and something happens that they can score more than 10 goals, don't hold back. But against a bad team, that's pathetic. If Tonka can hold back and only beat Mpls West 9-0, I think Virginia can hold back.

Going into a game like this, without the help of a miracle, everyone in the building knows who's going to win. Well, let your varsity run plays and work on situations and set ups they (sorry, don't know the hockey terminology) that they may need later. Additionally, as a courtesy to the other team, doing this will help them work on getting better.

This may not be true in MN hockey, but in my experience coaches are friendly and understand how good their team is, for the most part. How can you run a score up like this and go shake the other coach's hand at the end of the game?
So you are saying it's all about who you are playing? It's ok to run up the score on some, but not on others? And how does that make any sense at all...

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Post by nickmon3 »

Running up the score like this against ANY team is unsportsmanlike and uncalled for. And the funny thing is, last time Virginia played Silver Bay, they ran up the score and beat them 19-0!!!!! Virginia may be a decent team with a decent record, but after seeing a display like this, it shows they have NO class what so ever. Say what you want Virginia fans, there is no excuse for doing something like that.
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Post by Fire and Ice »

So their is consistency?
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Post by DotaDangler »

HShockeywatcher wrote:
DotaDangler wrote:I think there should be a 10 goal mercy rule past the second period.
I disagree. The kids, on both teams deserve to play; they suited up, let them play. In my opinion, the AD should fire a coach on the spot and tell the JV coach to work on situations.

Sure, if they are playing Marshall tomorrow and something happens that they can score more than 10 goals, don't hold back. But against a bad team, that's pathetic. If Tonka can hold back and only beat Mpls West 9-0, I think Virginia can hold back.

Going into a game like this, without the help of a miracle, everyone in the building knows who's going to win. Well, let your varsity run plays and work on situations and set ups they (sorry, don't know the hockey terminology) that they may need later. Additionally, as a courtesy to the other team, doing this will help them work on getting better.

This may not be true in MN hockey, but in my experience coaches are friendly and understand how good their team is, for the most part. How can you run a score up like this and go shake the other coach's hand at the end of the game?
Your post makes no sense. It doesn't matter if Minnetonka is beating SPA 15-0, or if Edina is beating Minnetonka 15-0, if its in third period and one team is up by 10+ goals the game is already decided. It doesnt matter how "good" a team is, obviously if they're down 10 they are having a terrible game and aren't coming back.

I played high school baseball and hockey, and I like the baseball 10 run rule and think hockey should adopt it's own mercy rule. It's not fun for ANYONE, when the score is 10-0, not the winning team, losing team, or back-ups, its a waste of time.
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Post by nipeshow18 »

I just noticed this on followthepuck, and it appears that Silver Bay played the same goalie the WHOLE game.. if that is true that is horrible of their coach to put the kid through that. Poor kid and poor team. I feel for those kids.
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Post by BDfan »

I do think that 22 goals is ridiculous. It was 12-0 after the first period. IF the stats on follow the puck are correct then silver bay had a 57% save percentage. It would be hard to not shoot the puck for 2 periods to avoid running up the score even more.

Virginia did play their third and fourth line most of the second period and almost all of the third. Those kids on fourth line had little playing time this season and of course they are going to want to score. So as a coach would you really tell your 4th line "oh you can't score because we are already up by 12." What would be the point of those kids even playing then?
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Re: way to go coach !!

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johnnyquest wrote:22 - 0 ! you must be so proud coach hendrickson

Get real!

The first line played one shift in the 3rd period. The 4th line could only play 1 period because they played 3 in the JV game and MSHL rules limit you to 4 periods/night. The 3rd period was running time and the 4th line played 6 shifts, scoring 3 or 4 goals.

If you don't want to get hammered, improve your program or change your schedule---it's that simple.
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Post by Blue_line »

nipeshow18 wrote:I just noticed this on followthepuck, and it appears that Silver Bay played the same goalie the WHOLE game.. if that is true that is horrible of their coach to put the kid through that. Poor kid and poor team. I feel for those kids.
Don't think so! They put in a 9th grader for the 3rd period. He had his hands full.
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Post by nipeshow18 »

Blue_line wrote:
nipeshow18 wrote:I just noticed this on followthepuck, and it appears that Silver Bay played the same goalie the WHOLE game.. if that is true that is horrible of their coach to put the kid through that. Poor kid and poor team. I feel for those kids.
Don't think so! They put in a 9th grader for the 3rd period. He had his hands full.
Ha, ok good. I was gonna say...
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Post by Blue_line »

nipeshow18 wrote:
Blue_line wrote:
nipeshow18 wrote:I just noticed this on followthepuck, and it appears that Silver Bay played the same goalie the WHOLE game.. if that is true that is horrible of their coach to put the kid through that. Poor kid and poor team. I feel for those kids.
Don't think so! They put in a 9th grader for the 3rd period. He had his hands full.
Ha, ok good. I was gonna say...
Forgot to mention--he let in 5 goals on 10 shots, or something like that. Then they pulled him.
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Post by nipeshow18 »

Blue_line wrote:
nipeshow18 wrote:
Blue_line wrote: Don't think so! They put in a 9th grader for the 3rd period. He had his hands full.
Ha, ok good. I was gonna say...
Forgot to mention--he let in 5 goals on 10 shots, or something like that. Then they pulled him.
I see. followthepuck has one goalie listed with 29 saves for the game and usually he is spot on so that shocked me big time.
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Post by canttouchthis »

didnt moorhead beat somebody 24-0 like 5 years ago. This is becoming a recurring event especially in the north sections. coaches have to know that their team is going to pump the other team before the puck is dropped. Play your regulars for the first period. Then play your bottom lines for the rest of the game. Pop in your starters for 2-3 shifts a period to avoid this. Tell them to pass the puck around a bunch before they shoot and shots from the point. Whens the last time a 1 seed has lost the first game in sections?
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Re: way to go coach !!

Post by Rushin11 »

Blue_line wrote:
johnnyquest wrote:22 - 0 ! you must be so proud coach hendrickson

Get real!

The first line played one shift in the 3rd period. The 4th line could only play 1 period because they played 3 in the JV game and MSHL rules limit you to 4 periods/night. The 3rd period was running time and the 4th line played 6 shifts, scoring 3 or 4 goals.

If you don't want to get hammered, improve your program or change your schedule---it's that simple.
I hope you are smart enough and know that there is no JV in sections...so one can only assume you are talking about the 19-0 win against Silver Bay the first time?
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Post by CoachHookom »

This is a tough situation for both teams.
I had a JV game early in my coaching career where we beat Faribault 20-0.
It was 15-0 after 2 periods. I had my guys on a passing rule in the 3rd and we still scored 5 goals. My top line was mad at me because they did not see the ice in the 2nd half of the game and my 2nd line never touched the ice in the 3rd period.

My 3rd and 4th lines played a ton and they had a ton of points. A 3rd line player had 3g 3a to lead the team with 6 pts. He had 2 sh goals in the same shift. I'm not sure what else I could've done except play keep away, which might have made the other team more upset. I'm not sure. Thankfully the game did not get chippy.

Just my thoughts as a coach I guess.
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Re: way to go coach !!

Post by NotoriousThug »

Rushin11 wrote:
Blue_line wrote:
johnnyquest wrote:22 - 0 ! you must be so proud coach hendrickson

Get real!

The first line played one shift in the 3rd period. The 4th line could only play 1 period because they played 3 in the JV game and MSHL rules limit you to 4 periods/night. The 3rd period was running time and the 4th line played 6 shifts, scoring 3 or 4 goals.

If you don't want to get hammered, improve your program or change your schedule---it's that simple.
I hope you are smart enough and know that there is no JV in sections...so one can only assume you are talking about the 19-0 win against Silver Bay the first time?
well this is awkward...
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Post by mr. plow »

i agree with coachhookom there was nothing the coach could do !!!!!!! if he wanted to run up the score he could have!!! the 3rd and 4th lines played lots
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Post by dirtracing17 »

mr. plow wrote:i agree with coachhookom there was nothing the coach could do !!!!!!! if he wanted to run up the score he could have!!! the 3rd and 4th lines played lots

have you ever heard of shooting at the goalie?
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Post by canttouchthis »

this looks bad for a coach and a program. But at the same time if the coach played his 3rd and 4th lines a ton thats all he can really do. Hopefully he told his players to move the puck a lot and move the puck to the point for shots. He cant make his players play the wrong hand and shoot it in their own net. His team still has to play. This is playoff high school hockey...not mites anymore.

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Post by USHLTender »

Well if Virginia makes it to the tournament, make sure all the locals have directions to the University of Minnesota campus...just like last year. That 22-0 victory won't feel so good after 2 games.
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Post by hero12 »

Everything you said is valid, but you never addressed the issue. There is no reason the score needs to be run up. A 10 goal victory is plenty, show some sportmanship and ease off. Nothing in the rule book that says you can't run up the score, but there are unwritten rules. You will never hear that coach described as "a class act" because that's ridiculous.
Fire and Ice wrote:Well maybe they should quit then. Are you kidding so there is difference between 22 and 30? And please math guy tell me 8.

Struggling programs...there are more of them than successful ones if we are basing success solely on State tournaments and Championships.

1 versus 8 is almost always going to be a less than intriguing game. That by the way the better team probably doesn't want to play more than the "struggling" team.

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Post by Fire and Ice »

Here is the million dollar question.

Is it more classless to score or to attempt not to score?

I believe the latter is more disrespectful, now you rub someones nose in it.

Never thought of it that way cause it doesn't get posted on the scoreboard.
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Post by ryno44 »

I didn't care for Virginia before that game and i still don't care for them. beating a team 19-0 then 22-0 is classless.

Having their mascot skate over to the Hibbing side and flick them off is classless. the mascot was about 10 years old too.

Having a student run in front of the Hibbing student section and flick them off is classless.

Making signs saying "Hang the Jackets" is classless.
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Post by canttouchthis »

wow did that really happen. Virginia needs to wake up. Maybe we should send some of the city teams up to give them some of their own medicine.
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